Is it possable? If not, are there any subs. besides hormones to make it sprout roots? Just a question ive been pondering. Thx for the help in advance if i dont get back to the thread tonight
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Is it possable? If not, are there any subs. besides hormones to make it sprout roots? Just a question ive been pondering. Thx for the help in advance if i dont get back to the thread tonight
i root in a bubble cloner with nothing but a clean 45 degree cut. takes about 10 days
I was reading up on the subject and found some pretty interesting "information" The reason i quote it is because im not sure it works or not. Thats where you come in. Can honey be used as a cloning agent, ive even herd that willow tree bark could do the trick. Is any of this true? Are there any other substitutions to hormones.
Thx for the help:hippy:
Honey and willow water (soak shredded twigs from any member of the genus Salix in water for 24 h, use in your bubble cloner) are not widely used since the hormones you REALLY need are not present in either of those substances as far as I am aware, at least not above trace levels.
Go buy yourself a bottle of dip-n-grow and save yourself the ehadaches, and play with the willow water after you know you can clone with the cheatin' juice! :D
Also, I'm merging this thread with the other- please try to stick to one thread per general topic. It's easier to respond.
I use a bubble-cloner, with Schultz Rooting Powder ... mine are well-rooted in their Rapid-Rooter plugs at 5 days, 6 tops ... :smokin:Quote:
Originally Posted by keeko
hehe i must admit, ive seen pics of your bubble cloner and mine is very ghetto compared to yours. i kinda just slapped mine together, but it gets results.Quote:
Originally Posted by the image reaper
My bubble cloner is a Folger's coffee can. Doesn't get much more ghetto than that.
hahah as long as it works for ya Mrs. Greenjeans. Sorry if you have said it before but what are you growing at the moment?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mrs. Greenjeans
I've just been reading the past 3 editions of Urban Garden Mag and the bubbler seems quite appealing to me.... I think I might build one as the parts are readily available and there appear to be more pros than cons...
bubbler users: can I take my rooted clones and transplant them to soil? what medium/method is best for this..?
This Is Not A Hi-Jacking!!!
Keeko: right now I've got 3 strains going. Pattycake is a powerful sativa dominant crossed with Dumpster. Lillbilly is a short potent indica dominant crossed with Dumpster. And Mash is Mazar crossed with Hash #1.
Home.Grower: I'm a Dirty Grrrrrl. All my rooted clones go into soil. My bubbler medium is a silica cat litter that I get from Wal-Mart for 1.97 a bag. It looks like wee tiny chips of glass. It's not a gel...I can't describe it. I put a link to it in my old growlog. It's chemically inert. It's basically just to hold my cuttings in place.
I use the Rapid-Rooter plugs, and stick them directly into the soil when I see the roots appear ... :jointsmile:
I've grown some Mazar... didn't like it much...
Dirty Grrrrrl eh? ...just my type :))... got any pics? of your bubbler I mean.. when I do it I want to do it right.. Rooting time? Success? any thing?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mrs. Greenjeans
Double posting to give link to webpage. This stuff is sold at Wally World under the brandname "Mimi" litter.
MAKALL GROUP-the largest manufacturer of silica gel series in Asia
Why didn't you like the Mazar?Quote:
Originally Posted by home.grower
Here's the link to a bubbler pic.
http://boards.cannabis.com/grow-log/...ml#post1275614
http://boards.cannabis.com/grow-log/...ml#post1284658
These took about a month to root. After 3 weeks, I only had one rooted, but then I added a drop of SuperThrive to the water and SHAZAM! I had roots the next day. YMMV. Since then I've achieved roots in 5-7 days. I also use Wilt-Pruf.
Ooo Aaaah, was hopin for slightly more revealing pics that showed the bubbles too.. I've just escaped being a virgin cloner with a successful 6 in the propagator as I type... I don't think I have the mental capacity to imagine what's goin on in your bubbler chamber... besides some bubbles maybe?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mrs. Greenjeans
Mazar was a little too flavorless with a moderately low high IMO... Of Mazar, Chronic and Sensi Star out of a previous harvest I liked the Star, Chronic and MZ in that order... It just didn't do it for me I'm afraid to say... I would grow it again however, as it produced quite well (quantity wise). Not to difficult for the beginner/easy for intermediates.
i here honey works better than rooting powder
i was looking at a thread about 2 or 3 weeks ago and sum guy said that hes been growing for 20years and has been cloning for all that time and he said that honey is by far the best thing hes used
straight from the supermarket
peace
simply get some tree compost from a dead tree,grind it up real good then stick cuttings in. after that water with 1/2 cup urine per gallon of water every 3to5 days. use cool white or daylight flourescents 3 inches away from cuttings and wait for about 10 to 15 days
Gamedog, have you used this method successfully yourself? Can you do a photo run-through?
Essentially, RapidRooters are a more predictable and easily available source of composted tree material with the micorrhizae that you're after. The urine on the other hand... I'm skeptical... that dilution sounds way too salty and strong for plants. I'd like to see how well it actually works. Kinda like rapidrooters and superthrive... but hippiestyle? :D
I'm afraid I do it "granny style"- I just stick the cuttings from the mom into a cup that I found a plastic lid for (burnt a few holes in the lid). No hormones- just H2O and sunshine or CFL light 24/7. Not 100% success, but I don't need 100%- I am in California and am limited on how much I can "legally" grow.
More often than not, I am using cloning for sexing seedlings. Here, I put the cuttings under 12/12, to force them to sex and allow me to find the males early. These don't root very fast, but most do root eventually. As soon as a female shows, she's removed from 12/12 and put back under 24/7 to reveg. I figure it's a free female plant to replace one of those dang males. They grow kinda funny for a while, but are growing normally before they are ready to go 12/12 again. - Granny:hippy:
i havnt used cloning powder/gell either, but i bet it would help. the one thing that did help with the % that survived was changing the water every day or 2. instead of 50% i got 75% to root. i clone in a dome with plugs. i bet the clone solution would speed things up though because it takes from more than one week up to 2 weeks to root for me.
anyone have any ways of making a homemade bubble cloner? just wondering and sorry for interrupting the thread like stinky was talking about earlier on. thx Peace!
Did you see the pictures that Greenjeans posted?
There should be a couple threads about this in basic growing or indoor as well.
I would like to see your bubble cloner. In my cloner my clones just hand above the water and get misted by the bursting bubbles i dont really need a medium but i would like to try the RR's in to the cloner just to see if it would help with transplanting. When i usually transplant the clones i usually get some shock and they dont grow for almost a week. I'd like to eliminate this and i think the RR's could help. I'm sure it would be alot easier then trying to force a nice sized root mass into a little hole made in the soil.Quote:
Originally Posted by the image reaper
I can't see how you could use a RR in an aerocloner. It would just fall off the cutting's stem, and totally defeat the function of the aerocloner.Quote:
Originally Posted by GDS StonerBoy
I've made quit a few clones and, as a rule, they do tend to seem like they aren't growing for the first week or so after they are planted. I don't think it's shock - I think the plant is putting all its energy into growing roots.
I never get transplant shock - never, ever! Just last night I transplanted six plants right before I went to bed. This morning the plants look like they are loving life in their new pots. There's not even a hint of stress; in fact, just the opposite. I let the plants get a little root bound before I transplant them and they perk up as soon as they are in a bigger pot.
I can't imagine why you would be "...trying to force a nice sized root mass into a little hole made in the soil." Make a bigger hole and gently put your soil around the roots.
PC :smokin:
I was scratching my head when I read that too, PC. Really wondering how a RR plug would work in the aerocloner. I don't have a problem using plugs putting them in nursery 9-packs, so I'm just puzzled how the bubbler would help at all when the plug is doing the job of keeping it moist.Quote:
Originally Posted by PharmaCan
How ya do it reaper? :thumbsup:
regarding the bubble-cloner questions here's pics of mine ... I pretty much copied Opie Yutts's design, that he posted awhile back ... it's great ... pretty much 100% success with clones, and seeds start remarkably in those Rapid-Rooter plugs :thumbsup: ...
the ratty-looking things in the photo are an experiment ... a buddy harvested a G13 x Haze 2-3 weeks ago, and still had a couple nasty twigs left on the stripped, basically dead trunk ... he says he has managed to clone these dying leftovers, before ... he's an outstanding outdoor grower, he know his shit ... I just can't believe it, so I gotta give it a try :wtf: ... put them in the bubble-cloner 4 days ago, and they still look the same, but no droop, etc ... gonna take a miracle to root these, I think ... I see my plugs are too wet, I need to lower my water level ... :jointsmile:
I gotcha, basically you are passively keeping the RRs moist without having to manually moistem them every 36 hours or so. Nice!
yup ... once you put the cuttings in the dampened rapidrooter plugs, one drop SuperThrive per gallon of water, to promote rooting ... I just use chlorinated tapwater, as it may help prevent fungus from forming ... you just switch on the aquarium heater, airpump, and light ... walk away, come back in 6-8 days, they're ready for transplanting ... Opie Yutts deserves a big round of applause for his 'bubble-cloner' :thumbsup: ... also, it is just as easy for starting seeds ... no need to pre-soak, just drop them in the plugs, and stick a little piece of the plug over the opening ... come back in 2-3 days to sprouting leaves ... easy is good :jointsmile:Quote:
Originally Posted by scagster
I definitely am going to be building one of these soon. Did you just shop around until you found a rubbermaid type of thing that fit the humidity dome properly?
Has that method worked for you before Image Reaper?!
This is how i set up my cloner and its work really well. The pic of the first clone closer to the edge has only been in the cloner for 5 days and is showing roots. I suspect another 2 or 3 days max for the others to begin rooting.
I would like to compare how fast your clones root that way because i'd love to find a use for my rapid rooters. I still have like 30 RR's left and havent been using them at all, seems like a nice way to make waste of the last few.
Hi Budzoor, I have found that my plant clones better without rooting hormones, and I have no idea why. It's a very strange plant though, it's been through hell without going hermie, will only flower with less than 10 hours of light, and has a bad habit of bullying the other plants around it. It's been revegged and is in it's second round of flowering, the main stem is about as thick as my pinky finger now.
What is that? The thing that keep the clones fixed to your device? the green thing...Quote:
Originally Posted by GDS StonerBoy
I think its just foam rolled over the stem and plugged in.
Thats how I did my 6-Cloner.