Amsterdam doesn't seem to have a problem with it

After all the money I've spent to pass a test for a new job as a professional who is leaving another job of 10 years (they hate to see me go). Everything has checked out with the references etc, why is the U.S.A so difficult? All I do is smoke. Alcohol has gotten me into trouble in my past when I used to drink. They have legal perscriptions that are sooo addicting and the drug co. are getting rich. Oxys are bad and lead to cheaper Heroin addiction. Drugs to keep your dick hard are OK. Is it because the Govt. won't be able to tax the local grower or people who grow their own? I hate the idea smoke is in the same catagory as hard drugs. Alcohol is the gateway (not weed) and if that leads to smoking a little, alright. But it's when the nieve kid thinks since the weed is easy to put aside and goes on to harder drugs, then they're stuck. The record should be set straight. I went to Amsterdam in Dec. and it wasn't a big deal. You smoke in the smoke shops. U.S.A. is not so free. 4th ammendment is gone and give it time people, we will loose other rights too. Tell me, what do you think?

i am definately considering moving to ontario or amsterdam one day in my lifetime. the bastards in office probably wont even consider passing a marijuana law. they barely pass medical marijuana laws. i dont think it will ever be legal in the states, but i do think there would be a better chance if all of the states would adapt MMJ.

i was going to write the same thing. Its very dumb of our government to make legal such addicting drugs.. when MJ is not legal & considered a hard drug. wtf. its a plant..! its already been shown to improve the body. unlike other medications.. but.. i can complain all day, with no result.:cool: MJ wont be legal until the government can figure out a way to profit off of the legalization.
so until then....:rasta:!

The US is completely over the top with almost EVERY law.

I mean, let's be honest. What kind of Government class cannabis as more dangerous/illegal than cocaine or heroin? What kind of Government wastes time and money on busting people with a gram or less?

I mean, i thought England was a joke - but fuck, im glad we are like we are. I'll NEVER visit America while the laws are so pathetic.

It's not only weed though, it's loads of things. The laws are so contradictory. They dont help anyone - it's as though they're created just to cause nuisense and to piss people off.

I remember watching Americas Dumbest Criminals and they used to have these little interludes where they gave examples of stupid laws - like in some state it was illegal to eat pickled cucumbers or something like that? I mean what the fuck? WHAT THE FUCK?

There was another about not cleaning your car on a sunday or something along those lines.

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Originally Posted by LIP

The US is completely over the top with almost EVERY law.

I mean, let's be honest. What kind of Government class cannabis as more dangerous/illegal than cocaine or heroin? What kind of Government wastes time and money on busting people with a gram or less?

I mean, i thought England was a joke - but fuck, im glad we are like we are. I'll NEVER visit America while the laws are so pathetic.

It's not only weed though, it's loads of things. The laws are so contradictory. They dont help anyone - it's as though they're created just to cause nuisense and to piss people off.

I remember watching Americas Dumbest Criminals and they used to have these little interludes where they gave examples of stupid laws - like in some state it was illegal to eat pickled cucumbers or something like that? I mean what the fuck? WHAT THE FUCK?

There was another about not cleaning your car on a sunday or something along those lines.

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Amen.

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Originally Posted by LIP

The US is completely over the top with almost EVERY law.

I mean, let's be honest. What kind of Government class cannabis as more dangerous/illegal than cocaine or heroin? What kind of Government wastes time and money on busting people with a gram or less?

I mean, i thought England was a joke - but fuck, im glad we are like we are. I'll NEVER visit America while the laws are so pathetic.

It's not only weed though, it's loads of things. The laws are so contradictory. They dont help anyone - it's as though they're created just to cause nuisense and to piss people off.

I remember watching Americas Dumbest Criminals and they used to have these little interludes where they gave examples of stupid laws - like in some state it was illegal to eat pickled cucumbers or something like that? I mean what the fuck? WHAT THE FUCK?

There was another about not cleaning your car on a sunday or something along those lines.

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There are countries that put you away for life if you smoke pot, the US laws are not as bad as you think they are. Most cops don't waste their time on marijuana busts either, it's usually just something that gets tagged on to other charges to take some scumbag off the streets. The laws vary from state to state, and in California you can have up to 28.5 grams and it's just a misdemeaner, whereas other parts of the world would put you away for life, so I don't think that is too crazy IMO.

I'm sure in other parts of the country where the Christian extremists reside things are probably much different, and their cops probably would waste time on small things like that, so if you visit stick to an area with a lot of murders and violent crimes, those cops will be too busy to mess with you :P

And I think those laws you mentioned are just outdated ones they bring up again to make a little joke, I've read things like that before and those were just outdated. You shouldn't really criticize a country if you haven't visited it yet, you can read a lot of negatives from any country, but actually going there and experiencing it first hand is much different than just reading about it.

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There are countries that put you away for life if you smoke pot, the US laws are not as bad as you think they are. Most cops don't waste their time on marijuana busts either, it's usually just something that gets tagged on to other charges to take some scumbag off the streets. The laws vary from state to state, and in California you can have up to 28.5 grams and it's just a misdemeaner, whereas other parts of the world would put you away for life, so I don't think that is too crazy IMO.

I'm sure in other parts of the country where the Christian extremists reside things are probably much different, and their cops probably would waste time on small things like that, so if you visit stick to an area with a lot of murders and violent crimes, those cops will be too busy to mess with you :P

And I think those laws you mentioned are just outdated ones they bring up again to make a little joke, I've read things like that before and those were just outdated. You shouldn't really criticize a country if you haven't visited it yet, you can read a lot of negatives from any country, but actually going there and experiencing it first hand is much different than just reading about it.

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Federal Law overrides state law, as far as i know. I'm not a pro, i dont know much about America, but i DO know that the laws are stupid, harsh and unrealistic.

LIP I live in america and i definately agree with you! Yes federal law does override state law which is why the DEA are raiding dispensaries (sp?) in California. I hate our laws and i am considering moving to canada or even amsterdam one day.

It all comes down to America in the end.

There's a general dislike for the American government, here, in England.. I think that probably stems from the whole issue with Iraq and the growing issue for Iran, but still. Our Government backs yours but our people don't. This whole planet is a fucking joke. Im waiting for the day motherfuckin' Aliens come down and tell us to stop being such retards and sort our shit out..

If America made weed legal, so would England. The thing that most people don't realize is that the problem doesnt just lie with the government. It lies with the fact that people are WAY too trusting of their government. There is so much bullshit about not just weed, but everything these days. People just follow the masses. As soon as a large group of people started saying the Iraq war is ridiculous (I agree, it is,) lots of the people who initially supported it changed their opinions.

The problem lies with education. People aren't educated about these things so they believe what they see on shit like Fox and Bill O'Reilly (WHAT A FUCKING ASS HOLE)

I can guarantee, if the average citizen, was made fully aware of the benefits of mary jane, and how their government has been lying to them for decades, they would fight it. Subconsciously, noone likes to like a government.

Weed will never ever ever ever be legal until there is a new administration which just happen to be friendly towards it. With Bush or anyone remotely like him in power, it will never happen. At a push, maybe medically, which is good, but never completely.

This is why I don't watch the news, except for weather, hard to bun outside when your bud is wet...

I also live in Canada, have my whole life, and luckily people in my area seem to disregard marijuana. I mean if someone saw me smoking they won't get me in trouble, they'll just look disapprovingly with their evil, uneducated eyes!

It's all about our Govt. making money along with the corporate stealing and big salaries. The little guy, small town dealer will always be the one busted for the revenue. Be realeased and busted again but the big shipments that come in overseas won't be challenged because the Govt is probably in on it and it makes them money. They don't want to leagalize it because they can't find a way to tax it. Also, if it does become legal, they probably would put fillers in it (like cigs) so it's not as pure in which people would have to buy more to get the same effect.

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Also, if it does become legal, they probably would put fillers in it (like cigs) so it's not as pure in which people would have to buy more to get the same effect.

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nah.. we are way too smart for that..lol..

Vote Ron Paul, in the primaries too!

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Vote Ron Paul, in the primaries too!

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If we want change, we have to do something about it. I switched to Republican to vote for Ron Paul in the primaries. I agree with him on almost every issue. He said marijuana should be regulated at the local level, if that, and we should repeal all federal marijuana laws. That means, not even state laws.

Think of how quickly weed would be decriminalized, then legalized, if it was left up to that states to decide. You, as a resident of your state, have a lot more say in your state government than you do as an American at the federal level. It's just ratios.

Also, there would be no raids on the dispensaries in California, and you could cross state lines into a cool state like Cali, and not worry about being prosecuted by federal law.

Here is the first part of the NORML podcast where NORML interviews Ron Paul. I subscribe to it. It's free, by the way.

YouTube - Ron Paul interviewed on NORML (part 1 of 2)

the answer to all comments is MONEY! no money can be made on weed but plenty is to be made on every other drug that will damage your health or fuck you up.

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the answer to all comments is MONEY! no money can be made on weed but plenty is to be made on every other drug that will damage your health or fuck you up.

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I think your a little backwords, now i know what your mean. Just if you trace back the original illegalization, it was done because so much money can be made on weed for a variety of uses. (not just smoking)

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i wtf. its a plant..!

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so is herion and cocane

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i am definately considering moving to ontario or amsterdam one day in my lifetime.

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Why Ontario ? Weed is not legal there, not like in Amsterdam...

and not only does america think it's laws are right, it is so insular to think it can sort out other countries problems, through captialism and christianity.

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the answer to all comments is MONEY! no money can be made on weed but plenty is to be made on every other drug that will damage your health or fuck you up.

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Yeah right . There are a multitude of products that can be made from the Hemp plant . IN fact for 200 + years it was a leading cash crop of the americas . Hemp is the most valuable plant on earth in terms of uses to humanity .

This situation does come down to money . Big petrochemical companies control the US government and want to maintain there monopolies on synthetic fibers , plastics etc .

If hemp was legalised it would be a multibillion dollar cash crop industry . Don't give us this BS about the Government not wanting to legalise because they cant make money off of cannabis . A lot of people cannot Grow weed like people around here can . IF cannabis was legalised it would appear in cigarette packs and be taxed . People like the easy way and would simply go down and buy a cheap pack of Kind bud rather than spending time tending plants . Also big operations would appear to utilize the economics of scale .. . I would not be surprised at all to see willie nelson and snoop dog ( for example ) set up thousand acre fields of the stuff once it was legalised . ... These big guys would have killer strains that are in clone form and we could be forced to buy from them to get the best of the best .. they obviously would not let people get there hands on primo seeds of there killer strains


these operations would be taxed . Coffee shops would appear and be taxed . etc etc

It is BS to say that there is no money in it for the Government .

One last thought , it is easy for some of you who are not living in the US to run us down and tell us how bad we have it in our country ... How do you know ?? I have smoked weed for close to 30 years and I have had minimal problems with the Law during that time . IF you live in the right state it is practically legalised and nobody cares how much you are smoken . The US could be better but dont start saying how bad it is over here . We have some of the Best strains in the entire world and A-dam is trying to copy as many of them as they can . IF it was soo damn bad over here why do they like to come over here and snag all of our good strains to improve there own ?? PLus I dont see much Cannabis growing outside in northern europe like is does over here . NO---- The us is not a bad place at all to live as a smoker . It could be better but it is awesome anyways .

right on bro:thumbsup: i agree with your post in more ways than one.

i think gov buds would have additives like cigs. i sure as hell dont want any gov weed, weve got fine herb here, grown by the people for the people.

yeah guys we really dont have it that bad. well, maybe if you dont live in cali (jk)
now i dont want to turn this into another contest for the worlds best, but ill just say that i was talking to my supplier in humboldt, and he told me all about the dam. said it was a great place, they had nice hash. he also said the potency wasnt even close to our homegrown. also got a nice culture for stoner...the fuck you think were doing up here in the stix:thumbsup:

donny

IF the us government started selling some of the Heirloom strains that it has been stockpiling ( or was stockpiling ) I would toke on a few of them ... I would love to get my hands on true G-13 , for example .. Also , didnt the university of washington produce a knock out strain back in the day ?? I would probably grab one of those too while I was at it ..

You are right however in the fact that the Big money dogs would most likely spray the buds in order to "preserve" them .. They might even add some color to the weed to make it look better for the long term or make it look exotic . .

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IF the us government started selling some of the Heirloom strains that it has been stockpiling ( or was stockpiling ) I would toke on a few of them ... I would love to get my hands on true G-13 , for example .. Also , didnt the university of washington produce a knock out strain back in the day ?? I would probably grab one of those too while I was at it ..

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G-13 is just a fairytale told by dealers to get noobs to part with more $$$

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and not only does america think it's laws are right, it is so insular to think it can sort out other countries problems, through captialism and christianity.

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100%

Its too bad that politicians are too pussy to touch the topic. They don't want to alienate any voters with any discussion whatsoever. If people could realize the true benefits of a simple plant and how much better it is than alternatives. No one can even argue that it should illegal. Its just dumb. People need to stop living with outdated perceptions about weed.