'Gays' mock Jesus with Last Supper take-off

'Gays' mock Jesus with Last Supper take-off

Taxpayers subsidize event with nudity, orgies under watch of police

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Posted: September 25, 2007
9:19 p.m. Eastern

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Participants in 2007 Folsom Street Fair
A taxpayer-supported "gay" celebration in San Francisco, featuring a poster portraying Jesus Christ and his disciples as "half-naked homosexual sadomasochists," has come under heavy fire from major Christian groups demanding that California lawmakers condemn it.

The poster by organizers of the Folsom Street Fair, sponsored in part by Miller Brewing, replaces the bread and wine representing Christ's blood and body with sadomasochistic sex toys.

"A picture's worth a thousand words," said Matt Barber, policy director for cultural issues with Concerned Women for America.

Barber said his group wants California's elected officials â?? including House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger and Sens. Dianne Feinstein and Barbara Boxer â?? to "publicly condemn this unprovoked attack against Christ and His followers."

The annual street event, which includes displays of nudity and sexual activity â?? is scheduled for Sept. 30.



"We further challenge the media to cover this affront to Christianity with the same vigor as recent stories about cartoon depictions of Muhammad and other items offensive to the Muslim community," he said.


Barber said homosexual activists "disingenuously call Christians 'haters' and 'homophobes' for honoring the Bible, but then lash out in this hateful manner toward the very people they accuse."

He pointed out San Francisco taxpayers help foot the bill for the fair by providing police support â?? to shut down several city blocks and provide security.

A police lieutenant confirmed officers are on the clock during the event, not paid for by the organizers.

The Folsom Street Fair website also lists San Francisco's environment department and its Grants for the Arts â??which comes out of the hotel tax fund â?? as sponsors.

"The most unimaginable and vile acts of debauchery are commonplace during the fair," Barber said.

"Senator Larry Craig was arrested and driven out of the Senate for allegedly soliciting public 'gay' sex, yet during this event the city of San Francisco suspends the law and allows 'gay' men and women to parade the streets fully nude, many having sex â?? even group orgies â?? in broad daylight, while taxpayer-funded police officers look on and do absolutely nothing."

Barber encouraged mainstream media to cover the event with cameras in hand.

"There's an unbelievable news story here," he said. "The Folsom Street Fair is reminiscent of biblical Sodom and Gomorrah, and the media should document exactly what the city of San Francisco is allowing to occur â?? in public â?? in the name of 'tolerance.'"

Catholic League president Bill Donohue urged Miller to pull its sponsorship of the event.

Donohue says his group is targeting Miller because it's the only national household sponsor.

"Furthermore, Miller has a record of acceding to requests from various segments of the population that have objected to certain ads: it has bowed to the wishes of Muslims, African-American clergy, lawyers and feminists by pulling ads deemed offensive," he said. "Surely it will do the same in this instance: the ad, like the event, is morally depraved. Indeed, it is the kind of ad that only the enemies of Christians would entertain."

Donohue said, "We have contacted Miller Brewing and expect that they will cooperate and do what is ethically right."

Let's face it, it's fun to mock Jesus. All religion for that matter.

Why not do a naked Last Supper? When will all these silly people realize religion is totally primitive?

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As far as I can tell, there is nothing in the poster that implies homosexuality. They're all men because that is how the story goes. As for the S&M gear, heterosexuals have been known to indulge in this fetish too.

So What?...Anti Gay Proaganda is as bad as anti Cannabis propaganda,,As for sex in the streets its smells of gay haters trying to bring the worst thing that can come to mind to bash gays...Your goverment funds a war in a irag so it can fund a gay march i think...
Please dont use these boards for Anti gay Propaganda im sure you dont like gays other wise you would nt post such scare mungering stuff,,,,,,,

Yeah I agree with the posts above. I don't think its a big deal. Freedom of speech applies with the item even if you don't agree or like it.

i dont get it, why arent people cool with jesus even if they dont believe in him? i believe in him, he loves gay people, he just doesnt like what they do in a bed. its not like jesus hates you and does everything to make you miserable.

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Yeah I agree with the posts above. I don't think its a big deal. Freedom of speech applies with the item even if you don't agree or like it.

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Freedom of speech isn't the issue. Seems it's trendy lately to justify anything as socially acceptable just because it's legal. The problem isn't that they're breaking the law, the problem is that they're being offensive, insulting, and totally disrespectful. It's called social etiquet, and social acceptability isn't based on legality.

And LandofDrought, I couldn't disagree with you more. This is not anti-homosexuality or fear mongering just because it relates to gays. It would be just as offensive if a bunch of strait men portrayed the last supper in mocking fassion.
And it certainly doesn't matter that you think religion is primitive, it's rediculous to expect Christians to just wake up and feel the same. I don't believe in God either, but I'm not about to mock the gods of others to such an excessive degree.

And I happen to have a good idea of how Christians feel, I'm getting really annoyed by these comical Buddha statues I see in stores that say something around the lines of "I may be a fatass, but I'm sure jolly too!" (something like that). I'm all for making fun, but there's a line between humor and insult that many can't seem to see.

What if instead of Jesus and the last supper, it was a Mohammad scene. There would be a huge outcry and death threats against the person who did it just like 2 years ago the cartoons in amsterdam and the grandson or great grandson of vincent van gogh was stabbed & killed with a extremists letter stuck in his back.

But back then I was with everyone saying 'why not have the cartoons. freedom of speach' so I guess I'd have to go the same with this one, even though I dont like it.

At least I have the choice to view it or not. I think that is the key in our society and why it is the best.

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What if instead of Jesus and the last supper, it was a Mohammad scene.

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Just what I was thinking but then again, there are no homosexuals in Iran. LOL

Have a good one!:s4:

I'm all for live and let live. Only religious people, usually Christians, refuse to do so. They have a long history of forcing their beliefs on others.

There is nothing worse than someone who thinks they have god on their side. They are capable of anything -- just look at what's going on the in the Middle East.

Christians, Muslims, Jews, Wiccans -- they're all the same.

I'm all for pushing the envelope but this probably went a little too far. Starts looking more like the Roman Empire where pretty much anything goes. Nobody,not even the late great Jesus Christ has the right to butt in on whats going on in somebodies bedroom. But this wasn't in the bedroom.

Thats not as bad as I thought it was going to be. For the record, are those all supposed to be guys? I think it is funny but if people are having orgies in the street then that, IMO, needs to stop.

All religions are fair game to free speech. If you do not like it, then do not watch or listen to it. I hear Iran is a good place to go if you want to live 'gay' free.

yes this is what i have been waiting for!! Im going to start my own straight parade with mostly women and every one has to be naked :) o and mass orgies in the street is good also :jointsmile:

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Freedom of speech isn't the issue. Seems it's trendy lately to justify anything as socially acceptable just because it's legal. The problem isn't that they're breaking the law, the problem is that they're being offensive, insulting, and totally disrespectful.

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I know, that's what's so cool about it.

"A taxpayer-supported "gay" celebration in San Francisco, featuring a poster portraying Jesus Christ and his disciples as "half-naked homosexual sadomasochists," has come under heavy fire from major Christian groups demanding that California lawmakers condemn it."

Lol, that is ridiculous. Condemn it? Ridiculous bullshit. If those ridiculous Christians don't like it then they can ignore it. They can go ahead and bitch and moan about it, but by no means would it be right to push lawmakers to 'condemn' it (in otherwords, make a law against it, right?). Sounds like they want it like the medieval times, where you couldn't speak against Christianity. I just hope it doesn't happen. Hell, maybe Satan will help us out here and make it so that it doesn't get 'condemned'. Go Satan!

why cant we all just get along and smoooke


im high :hippy::hippy:

Howdy Y'all,

When any religion is attacked like this in our country,it is an attack on all folks of faith here and their right to exercise their religious beliefs without attacks or slurs and is contrary to the First Amendment.

My point with this article is to illustrate in combination with the other article about Marines being denied being on the street,that San Francisco values are such,that they will kow-tow to the gays and snub those who choose to protect and defend,our freedom. There are even city council members that go so far as to say that America should disband the military altogether.

It seems to me,that given all of these factors,that maybe San Francisco should secede from the Union and create their own city-state..they can rename it "Sodom".

Have a good one ...

If the country funds religious events, I see no reason why it can't fund secular events.

And Torog, I completely agree that those soldiers should have the right to film, as long as they're paying the same fees as any other production company would have to film in the same spot.

This is the same city that killed the JROTC program........nothing balanced about their attitudes at all.

Have a good one!:s4:

and they wouldnt let the Marine Corps film a simple commercial....but they let this nonsense go on?

my oh my.

it would seem that your faith has led you to excessive zeal in its defense.

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When any religion is attacked like this in our country,it is an attack on all folks of faith here and their right to exercise their religious beliefs without attacks or slurs and is contrary to the First Amendment.

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since when has the constitution guarantied us the right not to be offended? on the contrary, the freedom to express views contrary to the accepted norm is one of our most cherished rights. the notion that people should be punished for their insulting attitudes or silenced when their actions are considered distasteful by any group is the wet-dream of the nouveau-left and antithetical to the core beliefs of a free nation.

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My point with this article is to illustrate in combination with the other article about Marines being denied being on the street,that San Francisco values are such,that they will kow-tow to the gays and snub those who choose to protect and defend,our freedom. There are even city council members that go so far as to say that America should disband the military altogether.

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though i do agree that the decision on the marine commercial was petty and short-sighted, if that is the will of the people then so be it. it is the duty of our elected officials to follow the wishes of their constituents and it would seem that the people of sf have spoken on these matters. by casting their ballots they have determined a course for their city and, should they wish a change of course, they are always free to replace their representation. i would think that your patriotic mind would revel in this example of democracy at work and see the necessity of allowing the people to decide their own fate.

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It seems to me,that given all of these factors,that maybe San Francisco should secede from the Union and create their own city-state..they can rename it "Sodom".

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sf has long been a mecca of counter-culture thought and the epitome of the left-coast. such communities are a much needed counterweight for the reactionary tendencies of the bible belt and similarly conservative areas. condemning her is condemning the diversity that has catapulted the us to its status as a world leader. though you may jeer at her follies, our nation would be the poorer for the loss of her rebellious spirit.
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Everything has to be a matter of being legally "right", doesn't it? I condemn what they did in that parade, but I think it only should be socially condemned. It is not the court's place to dictate every faucet of our lives.

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Originally Posted by dannyboy420

I'm all for live and let live. Only religious people, usually Christians, refuse to do so. They have a long history of forcing their beliefs on others.

There is nothing worse than someone who thinks they have god on their side. They are capable of anything -- just look at what's going on the in the Middle East.

Christians, Muslims, Jews, Wiccans -- they're all the same.

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DannyBoy, I'm sure you mean well but seriously, this is one of the most ignorant posts I've ever read. This whole attack on Christians as the near-monopolistic holders of ignorance and suppression is rediculous. Have you read nothing about the history of other faiths? Islam easily has as coloured a history as Christianity, I'm sure the Jews' record isn't spotless, and so many polytheistic religions have done much of the same genocidal crap. Hell even Buddhist temples have warred with one another on occasion. You're singling out of Christians is based on living in a Christian society where you see it the most, don't try to tell us only Christians want to snuff out all opposition.

And btw, calling Christianity, Judaism, Islam, and Wicca all the same is downright rediculous. Have you even researched any of these, or have you just formed your image of "religion" applied it to any faith you can think of?

Some of this is the fall out from our religious screaming about allowing religion everywhere. Once you allow that you basically have to allow everything else in. So I'm all in favor of the bible thumpers pushing there agenda so others can push theres too.

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Originally Posted by delusionsofNORMALity

"it would seem that your faith has led you to excessive zeal in its defense."

That may very well be,however why don't they attack Islam,which kills gays nearly everyday ?

"since when has the constitution guarantied us the right not to be offended? on the contrary, the freedom to express views contrary to the accepted norm is one of our most cherished rights. the notion that people should be punished for their insulting attitudes or silenced when their actions are considered distasteful by any group is the wet-dream of the nouveau-left and antithetical to the core beliefs of a free nation."

I ain't saying that I have the right to not be offended,I expect to be offended,even shocked..my point is to highlight the path that San Francisco has chosen..that being the path to Sodom .. and refusing to live up to their duties as American citizens,as it pertains to the defense of this nation,and choosing instead,to be recipients of our hard-fought liberties without giving anything back.


"though i do agree that the decision on the marine commercial was petty and short-sighted, if that is the will of the people then so be it. it is the duty of our elected officials to follow the wishes of their constituents and it would seem that the people of sf have spoken on these matters. by casting their ballots they have determined a course for their city and, should they wish a change of course, they are always free to replace their representation. i would think that your patriotic mind would revel in this example of democracy at work and see the necessity of allowing the people to decide their own fate."

I don't see this as a shining example of democracy at work,but rather a failed attempt that only benefits the enemy.


"sf has long been a mecca of counter-culture thought and the epitome of the left-coast. such communities are a much needed counterweight for the reactionary tendencies of the bible belt and similarly conservative areas. condemning her is condemning the diversity that has catapulted the us to its status as a world leader. though you may jeer at her follies, our nation would be the poorer for the loss of her rebellious spirit."


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I agree that we need diversity of thought and a certain degree of balance..but all Americans should be united in the fight against terrorists and the rogue regimes that produce them-especially in a time of war.

Have a good one ...

I like San Francisco.

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Originally Posted by Torog

I agree that we need diversity of thought and a certain degree of balance..but all Americans should be united in the fight against terrorists and the rogue regimes that produce them-especially in a time of war.

Have a good one ...

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so what you are saying is that everyone has the right to disagree with you (this "you" is not the personal "you", but represents whichever group is in power at any given time) until you decide that the matter is too grave to brook any dissenting opinion. freedom to dissent can not be conditional if it is to have any meaning at all. anything less is a sham and another step along the road toward totalitarianism.

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Originally Posted by Torog

I agree that we need diversity of thought and a certain degree of balance..but all Americans should be united in the fight against terrorists and the rogue regimes that produce them-especially in a time of war.

Have a good one ...

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I would have to disagree with you, as I believe most of what you believe in is just another system of control, and a set of lies.

People, especially Christians, are going to acknowledge sooner or later that homosexuality isn't just restrained to the closet anymore. It's just reality. You can't stop it.

Ok, now you will have all these high school/college kids having sex with multiple partners....but homosexuality is a bigger concern? If there is anyone who Jesus condemned more, it was the adulterers.

Homosexuals can't have babies, I would be more concerned about the college kids fucking and having unwanted kids than homosexuals. They don't contribute to the population problem.

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Originally Posted by Anubis10012007

People, especially Christians, are going to acknowledge sooner or later that homosexuality isn't just restrained to the closet anymore. It's just reality. You can't stop it.

Ok, now you will have all these high school/college kids having sex with multiple partners....but homosexuality is a bigger concern? If there is anyone who Jesus condemned more, it was the adulterers.

Homosexuals can't have babies, I would be more concerned about the college kids f*cking and having unwanted kids than homosexuals. They don't contribute to the population problem.

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Howdy Anubis,

Us Christians may not be able to stop homosexuality,but we can dang sure fight their militant agenda's. :thumbsup:

At least you acknowledge that homosexuals don't reproduce..they recruit..sadly,they're starting as early as 5 years old..usurping parental authority and discriminating against anyone of faith that believes that homosexuality is an abomination in the Eye's of God.

Yer right that homosexuals don't contribute to the population problem(there's a problem?),but they do contribute significantly in the spread of aids/hiv and all other known sexually transmitted diseases,and since their immune systems are shot,they can also be a vector for diseases that have been mostly wiped out or held at bay,till now.

Have a good one ...

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Originally Posted by Torog

Us Christians may not be able to stop homosexuality,but we can dang sure fight their militant agenda's.

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militant agenda? you're letting that christian intolerance show through and allowing yourself to confuse the work of the media and the actions of few with the lifestyle of the many. yes; we've had the joys of being gay crammed down our throats by media whores hungry for the sensational and small groups of cause-head extremists, but that is no reason to condemn an entire subculture. you're beginning to remind me of my grandfather, a baptist minister whose homophobia was fed by the same overblown stereotypes that the christian right is using in their fear mongering campaigns.

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homosexuality is an abomination in the Eye's of God.

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you might do well to remember that there are millions of muslims in the world that believe that your religion is an abomination as well. your belief that you have the capacity to understand the mind of your god seems to be getting a bit out of hand.
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Howdy delusion,

This ain't about my intolerance or fear,it's God who said that "man should not lay with man,as he would his wife.."..I have no fear of homosexuals,but I do have fear of God's Wrath in regards to this issue..for me and other Christians who oppose the militant gay agenda's,it's a matter of simple instruction from God..I believe in basic human rights for gays just as I do for any other sinner.

Accusing me or any other Christian,of intolerance and fear-ignores our religious beliefs and turns it into a secular issue,as well as demonize Christians and foster intolerance and fear towards Christians.

As for muslims,who kill and murder,homosexuals everyday,why don't y'all ever criticise them and call for UN resolutions against them for grievous human rights offenses ?

As for understanding the mind of God,that ain't my responsibilty,my responsibility is to study the Word of God and Jesus and do what they expect me to do.

Have a good one ...

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Originally Posted by Torog

Accusing me or any other Christian,of intolerance and fear-ignores our religious beliefs and turns it into a secular issue,as well as demonize Christians and foster intolerance and fear towards Christians.

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intolerance is at the core of most all religious dogma. this elitist attitude that your special little book hold the ultimate truth and that all who don't hold those same opinions are doomed and somehow less important. of course; lip service is paid to the human rights of others, but when push comes to shove that one little clique is superior to the rest of humanity.

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As for muslims,who kill and murder,homosexuals everyday,why don't y'all ever criticize them ....

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oh, but i do. remember me? i'm the church burner here....and the mosque burner and the synagogue burner and the temple burner etc etc etc. whatever it takes to remind the faithful that they are merely worshiping the false idol of the words of man. at its best, these perennial best sellers can only be a man's shoddy interpretation of the will of the infinite and, as such, are merely a reflection of man's fear of the unknown.
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I still don't understand why it was funded with tax payers money? Anyway, here is my little 2 cents! I believe everyone has their right to express themselves. This is really no different than when there were people protesting gays at the soldiers funerals. People need to get over it and move on with making sure their own life is heading in the right direction. I mean does it really make you think differently about Jesus after seeing those images? I am a firm believer in the Father, and Jesus Christ, but I don't associate myself with any religion to further enlighten my spirituality. There is no image in the world that could make me feel differently about Jesus. I think the best thing that Christians could have done would have been to not even give them the publicity. Let them have their parade. If you feel the need to give them the gospel, give it to them if they reject it then just go on about your day. People need to stop letting religious images get them upset.

To all the people who take issue with gays mocking Jesus, would you have the same reaction to Christians mocking gays in a similar fashion? If the answer is yes, fine. However, I bet many, if not most, of the Christians taking issue with gays mocking Jesus have no problem with all of the homophobia that pervades this country. Frankly, that's just ridiculous.

It really is a joke the way bible thumpers can complain about gays mocking Jesus, calling it an attack on Christianity, while having absolutely no problem with all the homophobia that pervades this country. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. Gays wouldn't give a shit about attacking Christianity if it weren't for Christians going out of their way to display their hatred for homosexuality every chance they get. The only reason homosexuals have an issue with Christians is because of the shitty treatment they receive with Christians due to a random fucking book saying homosexuals will be eternally damned. If it weren't for this idiocy gays would have no problem with Christians.

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This ain't about my intolerance or fear,it's God who said that "man should not lay with man,as he would his wife.."..I have no fear of homosexuals,but I do have fear of God's Wrath in regards to this issue..for me and other Christians who oppose the militant gay agenda's,it's a matter of simple instruction from God..

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Ah, well I can certainly agree with that logic. In fact, our beliefs actually aren't all that dissimilar. You see, in my religion we're taught that each and every black person will suffer eternal damnation. It's not about intolerance or fear, mind you, because it says clearly in our texts that it was our god who said that "man with skin like chocolate will burn forever in a lake of fire." I'm glad we're on the same wavelength with that.

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Originally Posted by Torog

Accusing me or any other Christian,of intolerance and fear-ignores our religious beliefs and turns it into a secular issue,as well as demonize Christians and foster intolerance and fear towards Christians.

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Let me reiterate: it is not "intolerance and fear" to criticize a religion that advocates hatred of a group of people whose only crime is doing something you don't approve of in the privacy of their own home. According to your line of thinking, you can justify any hateful belief you want to by simply saying "god said so." Are you really so blind that you can't see how ridiculous that is? It's laughable how stupid it is to complain about intolerance and fear toward Christians being fostered when one of the basic rules of Christianity can be boiled down to "It doesn't matter how altruistically you live your life, or how many people you help, or if you're Gandhi himself; if you don't believe this Jesus guy was the son of god yada yada yada, you're going to be damned for the rest of eternity."

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Originally Posted by Torog

As for understanding the mind of God,that ain't my responsibilty,my responsibility is to study the Word of God and Jesus and do what they expect me to do.
Have a good one ...

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This is the problem. As long as there are so many people that blindly adhere to one random fucking book over another, I really fear for the wellbeing of this world we live in. I mean, think about what you're saying with the above quote. You're basically saying that your responsibility is not to understand why the bible tells you to think and behave in certain ways, but instead to simply follow what the book says. Why do you need a supposedly divine book to tell you what is right? For that matter, wouldn't it make sense to actually try and analyze the validity each thing the book teaches, just in case (gasp) it's all bullshit? Your responsibility should be to do what's right according to logic and reason and common sense, but I guess that's too much to ask when religious people proudly claim to use none of these three things when deciding on what to believe. The only thing more ridiculous than you and your fellow Christians thinking this way is expecting others to accept it as legitimate justification for your intolerance and hate-mongering.

By the way, just in case it wasn't completely clear, I was being sarcastic when I was talking about my religion hating black people.

Howdy KevinFinnerty,

You can call it intolerance and fear and hate,but that doesn't make it so..Christians are to love the sinner and hate the sin..so ya see-it's more about love than hate and fear and intolerance.

When militant homosexuals and their supporters,cross the line and try to coerce tolerance and even go so far as to 'educate' 5 year old children about homosexuality and auto-eroticism and mutual masturbation,then you will see more anger coming from Christians,than compassion. It's also about usurping parental authority and promoting religious discrimination and intolerance.

The best thing for Christians to do,is to withdraw their children from public schools that have espouse a militant gay agenda,because the quickest way to change a liberal educator's mind,is to make em lose federal funds for each student enrolled.

Just think of the panic that would ensue in a liberal educator,if Christians staged a nation-wide walk-out for a week-they would lose millions of dollars of our money,that they think is theirs to do with as they please.:thumbsup:

Have a good one ...

PS: while yer thinkin about yer reply,have some cookies and milk..:thumbsup:

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You can call it intolerance and fear and hate,but that doesn't make it so..Christians are to love the sinner and hate the sin..so ya see-it's more about love than hate and fear and intolerance.

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And in Kevin's case where his religion says it's a sin to be Black? Instead of being intolerant of people, you're just intolerant of their actions, actions that harm no one. it's almost the same as the government that demonizes pot smoking.

We know we're not hurting anyone, yet the government is completely bent on pushing it's intolerant agenda. Maybe they don't hate pot smokers and they just hate the act of pot smoking, that makes their view better, right? It's all about love, they just want us to stop smoking pot because they care about us, including taking our money and putting us in jail.

If the government told you that arresting pot smokers was done out of love, would you accept their stance?

Man this issue will never be resolved. I have these same debates with so, so many of the so called Christian religion. Most Christians feel like they're the only ones who are going to enter the Kingdom of Heaven. I don't know about you, but to me that just sounds strange. I personally don't believe that religion is going to get you any where near the Kingdom of Heaven. Christians, and many other religions have seem to got off track somewhere. Instead of following in the teachings of Christ who did lead by example, and excepted more of the cast outs of society. Christ excepted everyone regardless of what sin they were committing at the time. It is not up to anyone who walks this earth to pass judgment on anyone, that is the Fathers job, and the Fathers alone.

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Howdy KevinFinnerty,

You can call it intolerance and fear and hate,but that doesn't make it so..Christians are to love the sinner and hate the sin..so ya see-it's more about love than hate and fear and intolerance.

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So what does make it so? Is it only intolerance and fear if it's something that you disagree with? I know the 11th commandment was "thou shalt not actually respond to any point brought up in a debate about Christianity" but please, indulge me and respond to what I wrote earlier:

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You see, in my religion we're taught that each and every black person will suffer eternal damnation. It's not about intolerance or fear, mind you, because it says clearly in our texts that it was our god who said that "man with skin like chocolate will burn forever in a lake of fire." I'm glad we're on the same wavelength with that.

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Question: How is this different from you saying that your feelings towards homosexuality are not intolerance and fear because it's written in the bible? Answer: it's not, but you and people like you are too fucking stupid to realize it. Liberals should fear not, though, because society as a whole is trending away from thinking like you do. Centuries ago a group of people could be convinced to do just about anything, no matter how unspeakable, so long as their leader "informed" them that the request had come from god, but we've developed enough sense as a society that this is not the case as much anymore. Hell, just a few decades ago, mostly in parts of this country that roughly correlate with today's "Bible Belt," black people were afforded much the same sub-human treatment that homosexuals are given nowadays from the Christian right. However, the country eventually realized the errors of its ways, as it eventually (hopefully) will regarding homosexuality.

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Originally Posted by Torog

When militant homosexuals and their supporters,cross the line and try to coerce tolerance and even go so far as to 'educate' 5 year old children about homosexuality and auto-eroticism and mutual masturbation,then you will see more anger coming from Christians,than compassion. It's also about usurping parental authority and promoting religious discrimination and intolerance.

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This trick must be in the "How to justify your baseless hatred of an innocent group of people" hand book that all you Christian conservatives seem to have. The trick starts by saying something along the lines of "I don't care what homosexuals do on their own , but if they come after me and my kids it's open season on faggots and my shotgun's fully loaded." The next part of the trick is to openly and proudly discriminate against gays as much as possible through legislation and spoken word until they finally ask to stop being trampled on. Once they ask for the abuse to stop you claim that homosexuals are being "militant" when the only thing they're asking for is to have same rights that heterosexual couples get and to not be physically or verbally abused for their sexual orientation. Now you can claim that you're not actually displaying intolerance and fear, you're just defending yourself. It's a bullshit tactic that Christians just love to use nowadays as if the rest of us are too stupid to see through it. Guess what, we're not.

As far as your assertion that anger from Christians toward homosexuals is due to them educating 5 year olds about auto-eroticism and mutual masturbation, that's just asinine. Do you have any credible (and I emphasize credible) evidence that homosexual couples are more likely to do this than heterosexual couples? Now gays are obviously likely to have earlier discussions with their kids about homosexuality in the context of the kid asking "why don't I have both a mother and a father?", but that's really no different from parents responding to a kid asking "where do babies come from?", which, unless I'm mistaken, is a question that many Christians parents answer honestly to some extent for their kids.

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Originally Posted by Torog

The best thing for Christians to do,is to withdraw their children from public schools that have espouse a militant gay agenda,because the quickest way to change a liberal educator's mind,is to make em lose federal funds for each student enrolled.

Just think of the panic that would ensue in a liberal educator,if Christians staged a nation-wide walk-out for a week-they would lose millions of dollars of our money,that they think is theirs to do with as they please.:thumbsup:

Have a good one ...

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Let me get this straight, you would go up to your kid and say "Listen, I know learning is important and all, but you're going to have to put your education on hold for a week so we can teach those faggots a lesson." Hilarious. Obviously education is a lower priority than faggot-hating for you and your Christian conservative brethren. I don't know whether or not you have kids, but if you do I shudder to think what their childhood was like with you as their father if statements like this one are any indication of your parenting skill.

Actually, it's interesting, this is basically a rhetorical question but I have a feeling you might try to deny the correct answer: What correlates more with one's level of education, Christianity or atheism/agnosticism? I'll give you a hint, it ain't Christianity.:thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by Torog

PS: while yer thinkin about yer reply,have some cookies and milk..:thumbsup:

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So you take exception to the "democratic value" of black people sitting in bathtubs full of milk? I guess I must have missed that day of Sunday school. I know you Christian conservatives are an irrational bunch capable of hating just about anyone or anything for no apparent reason and doing so with a clear conscience, but that's just ridiculous.

those dam gays!!!