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So ridiculous...it pretty much says that once the president gets enough of our troops killed in that hellhole, the draft starts and we're supposed to go get killed too...fuck that shit, viva canada..I'm an American, and I'll fight for America, but not another country full of insurgents that could give a rats ass about whether or not I wake up the next day..
You've got the right idea but don't flee the country if they bring the draft back.Just be the biggest asshole you can be and get them to boot you out of the service.Fight the system and be vocal.
everyones entitled to their own opinion, all those of us that have served ask, is you support the troops who are willing to fight and die for your right to say that.
except for that fact that...what does them having to die in Iraq have to do with our freedom, our freedom gained from Britain in 1776?Quote:
Originally Posted by higher4hockey
If Iraqi insurgents came to America to tell us democracy is crap and to praise allah or whatever, I'd certainly enjoy taking arms up and defending my country.
Until then, I'm sorry, but Iraq has nothing to do with my right to say anything.:thumbsup::wtf:
having them die in iraq has nothing to do with it, but what does have something to do with it is everyone that takes that oath swears to defend this country. if the reds show up on the shore tomorrow, who do you think is ready to defend this country to the death?
why are we argueing about this? if you dont support the troops...really what kind of a person are you? i understand not everyone likes the current situation the gov't has put us in, but come on man, dont ever quit flying flags for the service members overseas. support the troops even if you dont support the war, thats all i was trying to say. they may not be protecting us from the huns at the moment, but they're willing to should the need arise.
I know, it's fucking BS. And I'm 19 now. They call 19 year olds in first if there is a draft. I just fucking hope Bush doesn't mass murder another couple thousand of Americans so he can blame it on the Arabs and start another fucking war.
Bush is the worst thing that happened to the US ever imo.
The war on terror is a war that you can never win, so you can always keep on taking away freedoms from the people to fight the war.
In the end the US will be a dictatorship.
BTW I'm a dual citizen, so I can go to Europe and work anywhere in the EU. I just hope the US's claws don't reach to Europe if I evade a draft.
I support the troops that have the personal integrity to say "Bush's war is bullshit".The ones that just blindly go around killing people because thats what there commander in chief said are not using mind to rationalize these things through.You don't have to kill hundreds of thousands of civilians to get rid of a few thousands of insurgents.
Support the U.S. troops. I'll defend them 'till the end.
At the same time...
Fuck the U.S. government. It's not worth defending.
If I'm drafted, I'll be their biggest nightmare.
Frag 'em.
no offense or anything, but thats not a very accurate statement.Quote:
Originally Posted by killerweed420
A. the troops that say bushes war is bullshit arent in the war. the ones that are fighting in the war arent fighting for you and me or iraqis or politics, they're fighting for each other.
B. the troops in iraq don't just go around blindly killing civilians. to kill an iraqi you have to follow the rules of engagement.
the rules of engagment (ROE) are an ever changing thing. in the battle of fallujah it was anyone who has a weapon is an enemy, engage. as to how it is now, positive id is a factor. escalation of force, when to use deadly force, all these things factor in and a decision has to be made in a matter of seconds. which leads to ...
C. the Soldiers Sailors and Marines in iraq have to use their minds to rationalize everything through. from what the hell am i doing eating an mre in the middle of the god damn desert, to i might die today. to what do i have to do today to make sure i dont get anyone killed.
D. last time i checked, the US was doing everything possible to help the iraqis, including trying to get the insurgents to stop killing innocent civilians.
Fuck the draft. If there is one I'm outta here faster than you can say marijuana.
If you really support the soldiers, you'd want them home. Their fighting a meaningless war and if you haven't caught onto that you're foolish. The troops themselves are great. They are willing to give themselves in order to fight for The Bush Administration (since the majority of Americans don't approve of the war and have come to the realization that the war is lost no matter what. 600,000+ Iraqi's dead and thousands of troops. I feel it was a loss because so many people have died, it's not worth it, it's just not).
Honestly, I worry about the troops because I feel like they will be there until every single one of them has died. It's sad that people sit around and try to say the troops would rather be there. 51% of military donations went to republican candidate Ron Paul who is in favor of leaving Iraq as soon as possible.
Also, you need to accept that the Bush Administration is trying to start a war with Iran. They're clearly antagonizing them as much as they can. They bring up "war with Iran" like it's a casual topic and they don't even think about our troops. We can't even accomplish half the goals in Iraq and they want to send more troops.
I hope the troops come home safe and sound as soon as possible and I'm sorry if I offended anybody at all in this post but these are my personal opinions.
I don't think Selective Service is bullshit, just the war that I would be sent to fight. I don't want to kill anybody and I most certainly don't want to be killed. I'm not sure whether I would leave if there was a draft or not. If the U.S. was invaded I would definitely join the military or at least sabotage the enemy at every opportunity. But for this shitty war, I don't give a rats ass about the people over there. If they don't pick themselves up by their own bootstraps like our country did, then fuck them. This sounds harsh but I definitely stand by it.
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Originally Posted by higher4hockey
The Reds? I don't think communism is the biggest threat to America at the moment.
haha that made me laugh :hippy:Quote:
Originally Posted by audioaddict04
The 'Reds' have controlled America for seven years now.
amen to that :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by psteve
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Originally Posted by higher4hockey
which brings me back to my original statement...if the 'reds' show up on shore, WTF are the 100,000 some thousand troops in IRAQ thousands upon thousands of miles away gonna do for our homeland? Tell me that
Tell me why we didn't have tons of helicopters and mass troops to help during katrina, how about that? Because they were in Iraq. Thousands of people died in new orleans because our country didn't have the resources to help them when they needed help the most.
the government's situation they've put us in?? They've fucking LIED to us, and changed their story sooo many times.. And look how much a fucking gallon of gas costs..
But oh wait, I forgot. If we're still fighting iraq, that means that our country will never ever ever ever be attacked by terrorists and we'll just stay in Iraq for all eternity and our country's going to be safe. Fuck that shit...how fucking ridiculous..just pissing them off more and more, the longer that we stay there.
And once again, the day that Iraqi's or any other form of tan persons from the desert invade the United States of America to tell us democracy is crap and we can't run our government the way it's been ran for this long, and to change our government to what they want us to, I'll take up arms to defend America. Until then, Iraq has nothing to do with protecting our country, and god bless the lives of the troops that are there due to the deception of our government. May god be with them, and especially the families of those, the widows, and the children who will never ever see their parents again. For what? Defending our country? No, for following orders..doing what they have to do.
i dont think there is going to be a draft any time soon. but if the u.s. gets involved in a war against another powerful country, then there will definently be a draft. bthe question is when??
When the Bush administration finds the proper excuse/lie to invade Iran.Quote:
Originally Posted by king of the world
read the constitition.......IT SAY'S IT ALL!..........and while your at it read it again then form an opinion...........I'LL NEVER SUPPORT WAR FORIEGN OR DOMESTIC........BUT I PROUDLY SUPPORT THE TROOPS WHEREVER WHENEVER...........i've been to an unjust war before..........it's my opinion this one is unjust and corrupt to say the least...........................GOD BLESS ALL.............this is only my opinion!:thumbsup:
It was *made* into a threat by our government. It was a manufactured enemy (like the terrorists). Anybody that thinks communists are any worse than our government is brainwashed, simple as that. We are worse than most.Quote:
Originally Posted by audioaddict04
You need to support the troops, but I think anybody that supports this actual war is an idiot. Simply put, the war in Iraq has nothing to do with anybody's freedom. It has to do with taking over the country to spread "democracy," and to expand the US's sphere of influence. It's imperialistic, and materialistic. The imperialistic part comes into play with the concept that we just took over two countries, to expand "our" influence. The materialistic part of it comes into play when we use the country for its natural resources. The main one being oil. I've had some people say that it isn't true that we're there for the oil. How idiotic does someone have to be to not be able to see that there is a lot of oil there, and that we obviously want it? Come on now. There's nothing good for We The People in this war. The only people who benefit are the upper-most levels of the government, and the ruling elite. Anybody who can't see this is an idiot, and yes, I do mean that. People need to stop being idiots. If you agree with the war, tell me... how have you benefited from it?
The last three years of the last draft era (1970-1973) was done by lottery numbers. Your birth date was assigned a #1-366. They only drafted people who had a number below #100. Everyone else #101-366 got a free pass. The good ole days.....:yeahright:
I think all the members of my old local draft board (1173) was Battan Death March survirours. They wanted me to go kill as many Asians as possible, I tried explaining to them, that's not my cup of tea, but they insisted I go. Drafted summer of '67...the summer of love.
i dont think iran is very powerfull. im talking about a nation who is developed and has a advance military. some country that can hold their own against the U.S. .Quote:
Originally Posted by Markass
Military of Iran - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
That's a lot of soldiers as far as I'm concerned..
500,000 troops vs. millions of U.S. troops :wtf:
You need not just troops but replacements when they rotate out. Iran is 3 or 4 times the size of iraq, both in area and population. We have 160,000 troops in iraq, and not enough replacements to maintain even that beyond next spring. An invasion of iran would require a bare minimum of a a half million, and another half million to replace them, not counting those in iraq, afganistan, south korea. We don't have them without a draft. It's not the invasion that's the hard part, it the what then. Just tell them you're gay.
We also have 140,000 highly paid mercenaries from Blackwater in Iraq that have been giving free reign to kill who ever they want.There is NO RULES OF ENGAGEMENT in Iraq.And we still will never get the job done.Just like Russia couldn't get the job done in Afghanistan and just like we got our ass kicked in Nam. You can not fight a guerrrilla war where the civilians don't want us there.
Here's an example of what I was talking about Blackwater.They signed an agreement that they can not be held legally liable for anything they do in Iraq.
Private guards face Iraq inquiry - Conflict in Iraq - MSNBC.com
I think the UN should become involved in this and file a war crimes case against all Blackwater employees that have been in Iraq.
The link you posted put said blackwater had about a thousand people in iraq, the 140,000 is the total number of contractors from all countries doing many things, most of them not of a mercenary nature. And it woud seem their licence to kill has been revoked.Quote:
Originally Posted by killerweed420
Howdy Markass,
Our soldiers are fighting the terrorists in Iraq,would you rather have the front-lines moved to America ? By engaging them in Iraq and Afghanistan,we keep them over there,where their traditional bases of operation are at,as well as their State supporters and trainers,the iranians and syrians.
If we withdraw and let Iran take over,we can expect very shortly,to be blackmailed economically,by their shutting down of oil supplies to not only us,but to the West as well..and like the russians,they will use their oil revenues to acquire an even bigger military,as well as acquire nukes more quickly.
I hope that someday,you will feel more like giving back to yer country,instead of just taking from yer country.
Have a good one ...
They either don't realize what's at stake or don't give a rats ass. We've killed over 2,500 Al-Quada since the beginning of the year there and they STILL give the cut and run cry?Quote:
Originally Posted by Torog
The left doesn't realize that these people don't want to talk over a cup of coffee and donuts.....they want to see us ALL under an Islamic rule of law. It's preached by the Clerics and even in the preamble of the Iranian Constitution but hey......it's a hell of alot easier to run off to Canada.
Also, the radical far left just LOVES to compare Iraq to Vietnam but they never give a reason for the comparison. When someone can show me an "actual" true comparison with insurgent groups and their threat to the U.S. OR troop losses I'll believe it but they'll be hard pressed to find that info. All that comparison crap is nothing more than the far left to try to resurrect the "60"s. I got some tie dye shirts and long hair but that sure doesn't prevent me from facing reality.
Have a good one!:s4:
once again, you're not going to get me to believe the bullshit statement that, if we're in iraq, nothing will happen to america...They wouldn't come fight us here...oh yeah, is that what they were doing before we invaded there and pissed them off? No, they were fighting each other, like they have been for thousands of years...
Take from my country? Hey pal, I do give to my country, I pay taxes, and I'm subject to arrest in the trip to and from where I pick up my weed from, I think that's enough.
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Originally Posted by Torog
Again, I'll give back MORE to my country, which I'm interpreting that you're meaning joining the army and doing whatever president bush wants me to do...
When another country, i.e.('the terrorists') invade america to tell us that living and operating in a democracy is something we can't do, and we need to 'praise allah' or whatever, that's when I DEFEND my country. We aren't hunting Osama Bin Laden down, we're worried about Iraq, and the well being of those people who are killing us, while we're in their country telling them that the way they live and operate, they can't do. Truly hypocritical to me..It's not our fucking business, jesus...
I'm not going to fucking sit back for 20 years of my life and watch this stupid war go on, and more soldiers be killed. I've had enough. Opening the newspaper every day to see where a couple more of Oklahoma's young men or women have been killed.:mad:
Tell me what we have done in four years FOR AMERICA by being in Iraq. And don't say, we've prevented a terrorist attack, because one almost happened just a while back at a base, so that's not gonna fly. What have we done besides lose the lives of at least 3783 soldiers, and the amount of injured and mentally scarred soldiers we'll have now, the gas prices, spent trillions of dollars, all to build buildings to get destroyed again, shoot bullets in the desert..What have we done, that is worth all of that to america??:wtf:
Actually the answer is yes.......Saddam had his plans and the Sunni relationship to Al-Quada is a statement in itself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Markass
Have a good one!:s4:
I signed an RE-4 upon my discharge from the USMC so I don't think I can be drafted. It was optional and they warned me not to do it but I knew I was done with any and all services at that point.
I always tease my friends who talk about how if they went to Iraq they'd fuck shit up and ya ya ya about how much I'd laugh to see them shit their pants if a draft were reinstated.
So I'm going to quote you on this one: Our occupancy in the middle east WILL prevent further terrorist attacks upon the US? Oh and if that's not right, then what the fuck are we doing there still?Quote:
Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud
Saddam HAD his plans, but not anymore...I thought that was the second or third reason for the war, was to remove him from power...how long ago was that done??
I think the talk of a draft is nuts, it was voted out by congress and can only be brought back by congress, and three bills to that nature have been struck down numerous times in the past few years, as recently as november of last year Rep. Charlie Rangel (D-NY) has been trying to fight for the reinstatement of the draft and keeps getting shot down, as did the big General not a few months ago. I think for once our congress and senate realize that bringing back the draft would cost them their rather cushy jobs.
I don't like the current fight we've gotten ourselves into, but I don't fault the troops for that problem, and support each and everyone of them in their fight to do what they signed up for. I fear for my friends that have been deployed, but they know what they got into and a lot of them believe in what they are doing there, and a lot of them don't, they're as split as us who aren't in the service. I support my country and my troops and gladly tell people so.
And as sure as I breathe, if some jackass were to show up on shore tomorrow with an army and attack my country at home, I'd be more than happy to go to my closet and pull out the gun and step into battle for my community. But I'm not going to be told to go into some other country and do it.
i served for 6 years, even visted the desert... easily the biggest mistake of my life... but i continue to make the same type of mistakes in my buinsness life.
why was it a mistake... because i was supporting the biggest criminal org. in the world, and directly working as a pawn
fuck that... do you really think we need over 1million troops to defend our country?
Like the report stated; we killed over 2,500 Al-Quada since the beginning of the year there. THEY are the ones that want to bring it here unless you believe in the Alex Jones version of reality.Quote:
Originally Posted by Markass
Have a good one!:s4:
One of the easiest solutions to this is put things back the way they were.Get all them mopheads to start fighting each other again and let them annihilate themselves.It would be cheap.Just buy up every ak-47 you could find on the wholesale market along with a 1000 rounds per rifle and just give them away over there.They'll be so busy killing each other they won't have time to even think about us.It would cost way less than what we are spending now and cost no american soldiers lives.
Sorry but this type of statement doesn't fly in here......just a heads up.Quote:
Originally Posted by killerweed420
Have a good one!:jointsmile: