real islam: thread meant for ignorant christians

im not a musslim but it pisses me off to hear a bunch of predjudice stuff about how islam and all musslims are violent, most of these people never met a musslim and certainly never read the entire koran, they base their conclusions about islam from either laziness or propaganda from the kind of people like jerry farwell. but again predjudice people will either buy anything their told and refuse to do any independant research.

Jihad means "Holy War"???
Jihad is almost always wrongly translated as "Holy War." The Arabic word Jihad actually means "to struggle" or "to exert one's utmost."
In the context of the Koran, Jihad means the struggle for good against all evil. This struggle also includes the suppression of the lower self in order to reach a state of higher God-consciousness that leads to a pure soul.
Jihad can take place in many forms, including speaking out against injustice or spending your wealth in the cause of public good, such as alleviating poverty. Jihad does also include armed struggle, which at times becomes necessary in order to protect the weak and to establish freedom of religion. (Jihad in the context of armed struggle is known as Qital.)
Critics of the Koran love to quote passages such as 9:5 of the Koran, which calls for taking up arms against those who ascribe partners with God. Most often, these critics fail to recognize the context of such passages. Cutting and pasting verses out of their context to lend credence to an argument clouds the more important overall picture.
All verses in the Koran that deal with armed struggle advocate the use of force only for self-defense in the widest sense possible, such as freeing the oppressed and establishing the freedom of worship.
The Scripture clearly says that fighting in the path of God does not include converting people by the sword. The Koran emphatically declares, "Let there be no compulsion in religion" (2:256).
All legitimate scholars recognize this essential ethic as one that Muslims must abide by, even during times of war.

but its alot easier for simple minded people to choose not to read the koran out of fear they may be proven wrong about there ideas about islam. also there to fucking lazy to read it, its about the same lenght as the bible, theyd rather take a few qoutes out of context.

ill play the game you guys play when you come to conclusions about different religions:
"Happy shall they be who take your little ones [babies] and dash them against the rock." Psalms, 137:9
"I have not come to bring peace, but a sword." (This quote is actually attributed to Jesus in the New Testament, Matthew 10:34.)
so i can believe all chrstians are violent. thats the same thing predjudice christians are doing against islam.

fucking read the koran before you spew uninformed bullshit.

Howdy Juggalo420,

I've experienced shari'a law firsthand,in Saudi,when I worked there-what the koran says and how the current muslims interpret it-are two different things..there are few-if any-muslims living by the simple call of fighting Evil and for freedom of religion..instead-they've interpreted the koran to mean that all non-believers are the enemy and the only religion to be fought for-is Islam.

Many Christians have been murdered recently-just for being suspected of trying to evangilize to the local muslims-where's the freedom of religion ?

Is it not evil-for any school of thought-to make women second-class citizens,who must fear the wrath of all men around them-even their own fathers-who will murder their own daughters-if they percieve that their honor has been affronted ?

I find--that it is you-that has no experience with muslims-whereas,I lived with the barbaric muslims..and was shunned and isolated-by the educated muslims.

The muslim men-who desire to turn the world into a 7th century,fundementalist,Islam world-need to be crushed..there's no room in society-for that kind of tryanny..the same goes for the hard-line red chinese commies and the hard-line russian commies-as well as the hard-line commies in North Korea.

Have a good one...Torog

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Originally Posted by Torog

Howdy Juggalo420,

I've experienced shari'a law firsthand,in Saudi,when I worked there-what the koran says and how the current muslims interpret it-are two different things..there are few-if any-muslims living by the simple call of fighting Evil and for freedom of religion..instead-they've interpreted the koran to mean that all non-believers are the enemy and the only religion to be fought for-is Islam.

Many Christians have been murdered recently-just for being suspected of trying to evangilize to the local muslims-where's the freedom of religion ?

Is it not evil-for any school of thought-to make women second-class citizens,who must fear the wrath of all men around them-even their own fathers-who will murder their own daughters-if they percieve that their honor has been affronted ?

I find--that it is you-that has no experience with muslims-whereas,I lived with the barbaric muslims..and was shunned and isolated-by the educated muslims.

The muslim men-who desire to turn the world into a 7th century,fundementalist,Islam world-need to be crushed..there's no room in society-for that kind of tryanny..the same goes for the hard-line red chinese commies and the hard-line russian commies-as well as the hard-line commies in North Korea.

Have a good one...Torog

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Shall we start with the Christian fundamentalists first ??
All religions have their fire and brimstone hardliners and they are equally as dangerous as each other.
NOT ALL MUSLIMS ARE TERRORISTS.
NOT ALL CHRISTIANS ARE ARSEHOLES.

Christian Fundamentalists, (although they will deny and dance around the issue) teach that a woman is to be submissive to a man (The man is the head of the household). A woman must not wear trousers, (this is considered a mans clothing). Teachings also include that a woman must never cut her hair, wear jewelry, or makeup. Women are discouraged from working outside the home. A woman is not allowed to be in a car or alone with any male that is not a direct relative. Dancing, playing cards and television are all no-nos. A womans skirt must fall at least 2" below the knee. It can be a terribly isolating way to live. You are taught that you are in this world but not of this world, which is used by many to to discourage interaction with anyone that is not a member of their denomination. Therre are always the snake handlers to help creep ya out too!

Is anyone in texas not ignorant? Anyone? I hate christains. I cant smoke weed because of you stupid jesus worshippers. No muslim ever called me a doper. I hate you christain americans, and your fat red faces. I hope the next 9-11 is in the bible belt

No, we're all wrong and Torog is right. He experienced the shari'a law first hand so he must know everything about all muslims across the globe.

Everyone else don't waste your breath because as far as he is concerned we're all bastard kiddie liberals.

the problem here stems from a splinter of one group of people.....it is totally unfair to class any group together by race, color, or creed...It was however a popular judgement down through history by many groups...such as the Nazis...

toroq- you are not the only one that has witnessed 1st hand the oppression of islam. Kuulbns, you're reference to Christian Fund. sounds more like a cult. Theres is nothing in the Bible that claims the ignorant claims that you've made. All of those are contextual and if theres is some one practicing those legalistic rules, they are misinformed about Jesus and his teachings.

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Originally Posted by kyskunk3

toroq- you are not the only one that has witnessed 1st hand the oppression of islam. Kuulbns, you're reference to Christian Fund. sounds more like a cult. Theres is nothing in the Bible that claims the ignorant claims that you've made. All of those are contextual and if theres is some one practicing those legalistic rules, they are misinformed about Jesus and his teachings.

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But you can't deny that people like that do exist, and islamic terrorists are their equivalent.

Of course there are islamic terrorists, but for centuries christians were terrorists. I pray, Torog, that you've read up on some of Pope Innocent's doings? How about the crusades? I think people like you are more of a threat to our freedom then any muslim I've ever met. I must admit, if all christians are as blatantly ignorant, prejudice, and down-right hateful as you then I don't blame the Muslims for hating you guys. Christianity preaches love.. but when you look at people like Torog.. your eyes open to how truly hateful a religion it is. The hoby Lie-ble err.. Holy Bible is fulled with spite and vengeance. In fact.. were the new testament never to have come out.. The Bible one of the most violence preaching books out there. Anyway, christians fucked alot of people over in the past.. and I'm a strong believer in an eye for eye. Good followers of the Lord our God are as well. And well Torog.. Muslims still have alot of eyes to poke before the slate is evenly blank on both sides.

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Originally Posted by Torog

The muslim men-who desire to turn the world into a 7th century,fundementalist,Islam world-need to be crushed..there's no room in society-for that kind of tryanny..the same goes for the hard-line red chinese commies and the hard-line russian commies-as well as the hard-line commies in North Korea.

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I agree with you here Torog.. Kill all the Muslims who want to turn the world into a 7th century fundementalist Islam world...

Make more room for people like yourself who desire to turn the world into a 7th century fundementalist Christian world...

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Originally Posted by psychocat

NOT ALL CHRISTIANS ARE ARSEHOLES.

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Are you sure? Torog seems to be trying REALLY hard to convince us otherwise..

The United Pentacostal Church did and does observe these values. You can go to a UPC church any time you'ld like and see it for yourself. They believe in the Manifestation of the Holy Ghost as evidenced by "Speaking in Tongues" There are 2 branches of the Pentacostal sect; 1 is the Charismatic Pentacostal Church, which lives within conventional customs. The second is The United Pentacostal Church. This is the group I was raised with. They are quite severe in their teaching. Look it up.

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Originally Posted by Encatuse

Are you sure? Torog seems to be trying REALLY hard to convince us otherwise..

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torog isn't all christians. he also claims to be a conservative while he supports bush's giant government and $3 trillion budget.

bush has rammed through legislation and done things clinton wouldn't have dared for fear of what the 'conservatives' would say...but conservatives are alseep while bush does it.

makes clinton look conservative, since government's basically doubled under george socialist&fascist bush.

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Originally Posted by kuulbns

The United Pentacostal Church did and does observe these values. You can go to a UPC church any time you'ld like and see it for yourself. They believe in the Manifestation of the Holy Ghost as evidenced by "Speaking in Tongues" There are 2 branches of the Pentacostal sect; 1 is the Charismatic Pentacostal Church, which lives within conventional customs. The second is The United Pentecostal Church. This is the group I was raised with. They are quite severe in their teaching. Look it up.

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There's a guy who's Pentecostal where I used to work, with my dad. However, he's the Sicilian kind, and I don't know how strict they are compared to American Pentecostals. However, my father being a staunch Ctholic, he has a picture of a saint in his office, nothing big, just a little image tucked in a bigger picture frame. Despite my father being his boss, this guy's always going into my dad's office telling him it's not right to have pictures of saints, it's a sin, and it borders on idolatry, etc, etc, etc. My dad had the greates comeback: he asked if the guy had a picture of his own father in his wallet, who passed away not too long ago. he asked why he had the picture with him, asked him how he would feel if someone tore up the picture, and all that kind of stuff. Needless to say, the guy didn't bother my dad about that little picture ever again.