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GDSstonerboy/ProGroWannabe Dual Grow Thread.
Alright everybody, here we go. GDSstonerboy, and myself are going to attempt a dual-grow log. Format may be a lil shaky, but we're gonna do our best to make this happen.
The idea of the dual-grow format came from another thread where GDS and myself realized we were both starting grows with C99 and PPP. Through later communication, we both learned we are running the same nutes, and beginning perpetual gardens. So, it just seemed natural that we do this as a dual-grow.
GDS and myself will discuss the format that we'll follow in this thread to hopefully keep it from becoming confusing.
Stay tuned!!!!!!
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GDSstonerboy/ProGroWannabe Dual Grow Thread.
Kewl!!
Would it be to much to ask you both to keep track of environmental conditions, so we can look at how they affect pheno? It's rare to be able to compare the same genetics, nutes on a side by side basis.
Thanks!
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GDSstonerboy/ProGroWannabe Dual Grow Thread.
Yeah that's what I thought too rhizome. This seemed like a rare opportunity to do a real head to head.
I guess I do need to state that this is in no way a competition between GDS and myself, just hoping to glean some good info and techniques for these two strains by two different growers.
Should be a good show!
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GDSstonerboy/ProGroWannabe Dual Grow Thread.
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Originally Posted by ProGroWannabe
Yeah that's what I thought too rhizome. This seemed like a rare opportunity to do a real head to head.
I guess I do need to state that this is in no way a competition between GDS and myself, just hoping to glean some good info and techniques for these two strains by two different growers.
Should be a good show!
I agree with ProGro! This is no competition! This is just a fun way to compare pheno's in different enviroments. Nutes will be the same but i think growing methods will be different if i am correct?
I'll be growing out the seeds for 1 month in a drip system, then i'll take clones from the vegged plants to determine sex. Once sex is determined i'll be transferring clones into DIY bubblers. I'll be using a 1000 watt HPS for flowering and 2 flourescent shoplights for vegging. Nutes will be Earth juice grow, bloom and catalyst along with pk 13/14, until my Ionic nutes get here but i may just stick with the earth juice just for the hell of it.
I'm pretty sure our enviroments and temps will be different so we'll see how they do. Got my fingers crossed for some fems!!!
I ran into a few problems though with Rapid Rooters! The seeds were having trouble pushing out of them so i had to help a few make it through. I hope this didnt ruin them, i'll keep my fingers crossed for that as well!
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GDSstonerboy/ProGroWannabe Dual Grow Thread.
Alright folks, we've agreed on the format! This is the way it's gonna be lined out. Updates on both grows will appear in the same post. This way, each time one looks at the thread, they will be able to see the current progress on both our grows without having to correlate them together.
I'm awaiting pics/info from GDS as I write this. I should be receiving them shortly. Once I do, I'll upload the first set of pics with all the outlining info to get this mothership off the ground.
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GDSstonerboy/ProGroWannabe Dual Grow Thread.
Off and running...
Progro's room..a work in progress with MUCH more progress to come. The pic of the shelves shows the nutes I'll be running. Earth Juice Bloom, Microblast, and Catalyst. Along with PK 13-14 when the time comes. Beginning nute strength is 5mL Bloom--5mL Catalyst--10mL Microblast per gal. of water. This mix is fed once a day(rem. I'm in coco).
- Three 400 watt HPS--yeah the old industrial kind--I got a deal on em, what can I say?
- Sealed room--CO2 eventually.
- Fan on the wall for stem improvement.
- Door is usually open during lights on to help make up for the lack of CO2.
- No A/C yet. Temps are ranging from 62F to 89F. A/C will be added to reduce the wild fluctuations and narrow the range.
- The shelves on the left show some various strains that will not be included in the log, but will remain growing in the room. The shelves are probably self-explanatory, but I'm setting this perpetual up as a stadium type grow to allow for easier crop rotation.
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GDSstonerboy/ProGroWannabe Dual Grow Thread.
GDS's strains and pics:
Top left two are C99, followed on the right by PPP, then the bottom two are Papaya(left) and Skunk#1 on the lower right,
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GDSstonerboy/ProGroWannabe Dual Grow Thread.
ProGro's genetics.
On the left are ten C99 from Joey Weed stock purchased from Hemp Depot. On the right are my PPP clones. The originals were all grown out. The mum of these clones, is a clone itself, from the biggest growing plant I had from the original seeds, purchased from weedfarmer. I believe the genetics originally came form Dutch Passion---not sure though.
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GDSstonerboy/ProGroWannabe Dual Grow Thread.
GDS's environmental specs:
- Lighting: One 1000 watt hps for flowering
- 4 t12 lamps for vegging mothers, and 6 26 watt cfls for young seedlings.
- Air: No ducts no ventilation, 2 oscillating fans, Home central air unit will keep the rooms temps where we want them. I also have an air purifier to help keep fresh air in the room.
- Room size is 10ft x 10ft
- Grow Technique: 1-8 site drip system and 5 dwc bubblers
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GDSstonerboy/ProGroWannabe Dual Grow Thread.
I'm tuned in! GDS, Great set-up dude! Can't wait to see these grows take off, I'm gonna have to post some budshots up of my grows now.
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GDSstonerboy/ProGroWannabe Dual Grow Thread.
GDS should be along in another day or so with an update. As for me... I've installed the A/C unit. It is adequate, but barely. 5000 BTU just barely keeps up with 1200 watts of HPS when there's no other ventilation. I wanna keep a "sealed" room. That way when I add the CO2, things don't get complicated with ventilation timing.
Anyhow, GDS has the pics, and like I said, he'll be updating shortly. So stay tuned, we'll be right back after these messages--lol
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GDSstonerboy/ProGroWannabe Dual Grow Thread.
was forced to add a window A/C unit. Couldn't afford a portable,
so I boxed in the back of the unit to separate the warm air exhaust
from the cooler air coming out the front. The unit is rated for
5000 BTU. I find it barely adequate for 32 sq. ft with 1200 watts
of HPS. Remember, my ballasts are attached to my bulbs. If my
ballasts were remote mounted, the A/C would have a slightly easier
time maintaining the 80 degrees I'm shooting for.
The bushy plants are the ones that appear earlier in this thread.
They aren't going to be part of the grow log other than to provide
some pics till my C99 and PPP get big enough to become interesting.
The little guys are the C99 seedlings. My PPP clones aren't doing
as well as I'd hoped. I goofed when I took the top off the bottles
too early causing them to transpire pretty hard. Some will pull
through, I'm not sure about all of them though. So, in an effort to
make up for my goof, I built a little bubble cloner and added more
clones to it. I'm now trying to get it dialed in. I'll give pics of
those in a later update.
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GDSstonerboy/ProGroWannabe Dual Grow Thread.
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GDSstonerboy/ProGroWannabe Dual Grow Thread.
Ok after several problems with Rapid Rooters i started all over with new seedlings. Atm I have 3 PPP in the drip system and 1 C99 with them. Tomorrow i will be adding 2 more C99 to the drip. I just purchased new T12 daylight bulbs because the others seemed to be getting a little dimmer which they were compared to the new ones. Some of my seedlings were stretching a bit reaching for light but now that the new bulbs are in im sure they'll start normal growth. Room temps are at 73f and the water temps are at 75f.
As for the soil C99 and Papaya they are now under 5 26 watt 6500k cfls and one 26 watt 3000k cfl. They are looking real good right now although they are very short for a month. I'm beginning to wonder if im doing something wrong because i dont think soil should take this long to grow. After a months time the Papaya is only 5 inches and the C99 is just a little over 4. I'm thinking of raising the light though to increase stretching. If anyone has any suggestions on the problems i might be facing it'll be greatly appreciated.
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GDSstonerboy/ProGroWannabe Dual Grow Thread.
The first one is a pic of the C99 strecthing for light before the adjustmens were made today and the rest are pics of the PPP!
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GDSstonerboy/ProGroWannabe Dual Grow Thread.
The First pics are of the soil C99 and the others are of the Papaya!
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GDSstonerboy/ProGroWannabe Dual Grow Thread.
Great thread thanks for comparing...The results will be interesting!
Looking good already!!!:jointsmile:
One quick question, Progro..I have never seen a yellow seedling..Is that common for that strain? Anyone?
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GDSstonerboy/ProGroWannabe Dual Grow Thread.
Popabean, that's actually GDS's PPP. And no, it's not really common for that strain as far as I know. Just the way it came into the world I guess.
Thanks for dropping by!
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GDSstonerboy/ProGroWannabe Dual Grow Thread.
Excellent looking plants GDS, that papaya looks so healthy!
You mentioned having slow growth w/ the soil c99 and papaya....
What size pots are they in? What kind of soil are you using?
4-5 inches in a month isn't right, you should have at least a foot, are your plants root bound?
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GDSstonerboy/ProGroWannabe Dual Grow Thread.
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Originally Posted by Kind
Excellent looking plants GDS, that papaya looks so healthy!
You mentioned having slow growth w/ the soil c99 and papaya....
What size pots are they in? What kind of soil are you using?
4-5 inches in a month isn't right, you should have at least a foot, are your plants root bound?
Both pots are 6 inches deep and 8 inches wide. I almost certain its not root bound it doesnt matter im gonna transplant in a bigger pot tomorrow morning. It wont hurt to try it i guess, its not like its progressing at right now anyway. It has some growth at the nodes but thats the only new growth i have been seeing for like the past 2 weeks.
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GDSstonerboy/ProGroWannabe Dual Grow Thread.
Hmmmmm.....
What kind of soil do you use? I have a friend thats growing White Russian in Fox Farm Ocean Forest soil needless to say he planted his germed seeds right into that soil and the plants grew slow as yours are,so he transplanted into a soil w/ little to no nutrients and the plants perked up and started growing at a much faster pace. The conclusion we came to was that the FF soil is to strong for seedling to be placed directly into, now I use a rapid rooter or rockwool to start my seeds, once they establish a good root system I transplant into the FFOF soil.
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GDSstonerboy/ProGroWannabe Dual Grow Thread.
Nice log Im in for the ride and some nice looking plants to and set ups.
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Originally Posted by Kind
Hmmmmm.....
What kind of soil do you use? I have a friend thats growing White Russian in Fox Farm Ocean Forest soil needless to say he planted his germed seeds right into that soil and the plants grew slow as yours are,so he transplanted into a soil w/ little to no nutrients and the plants perked up and started growing at a much faster pace. The conclusion we came to was that the FF soil is to strong for seedling to be placed directly into, now I use a rapid rooter or rockwool to start my seeds, once they establish a good root system I transplant into the FFOF soil.
Im just using a Peat moss and Perlite mix. I dont have many places near me that i can go to and get some good soil so i just made a mix myself. I did add a little blood meal to the soil when mixing but only a little. This could have had an effect on the plants growth then if you what your saying is correct. We'll see tomorrow though if i can find some good soil i'll make a transplant in the morning.
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GDSstonerboy/ProGroWannabe Dual Grow Thread.
I decided to show a few pics of my DIY bubbler buckets. It just a simple setup that if i could make it any better i'm open to suggestions.
Basically though here's a simple setup that is less than 25 dollars to make and it works well. Last grow from bagseed i got 3 ounces from one plant and it was my first real hydro grow with only 6 cfls and Earth juice nutes. This time around i'm hoping to get more like 5-10 ounces dry per bucket! Here's some pics of the very simple setup for all newbs that want to give this a try.
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GDSstonerboy/ProGroWannabe Dual Grow Thread.
Simply i bought a 5 gallon bucket, Flat black Spray paint, 8 inch flower pot, 8' air hose, 2 cheap airstone's and a 30 gal pump. Eventually though i'll be getting 10 inch air stones but i just bought these for the time being.
Simply drill several holes in the bottom of your Flower pot, 1 hole in the side of the bucket for your air hose and about a 7 inch hole in the lid of the bucket for the flower pot to set in. It's as simple as that and this same exact bubbler without the dripper ring got me 3 ounces using only cfls. This time around i'm using 5 buckets with a 1000 watt hps so im hoping for a way better yield!
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GDSstonerboy/ProGroWannabe Dual Grow Thread.
Wow GDS! Those lil bubbler buckets can do some growin, ay?
3 oz's, was that from one plant on cfl's?!?
Your gonna have a nice big yield w/ 5 and a 1000 watter, no doubt. At least a 1/2 lb.
Oh, one more Q, is your c99 from joey weed seeds? I've been wanting to score em for so long, just never got around to it. Hopefully my next purchase will be some Herijuana or Oguana Kush, mmmmm. Heh im ramblin on here sorry i'm stoned. Peace.
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GDSstonerboy/ProGroWannabe Dual Grow Thread.
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Originally Posted by GDS StonerBoy
Simply i bought a 5 gallon bucket, Flat black Spray paint, 8 inch flower pot, 8' air hose, 2 cheap airstone's and a 30 gal pump. Eventually though i'll be getting 10 inch air stones but i just bought these for the time being.
Simply drill several holes in the bottom of your Flower pot, 1 hole in the side of the bucket for your air hose and about a 7 inch hole in the lid of the bucket for the flower pot to set in. It's as simple as that and this same exact bubbler without the dripper ring got me 3 ounces using only cfls. This time around i'm using 5 buckets with a 1000 watt hps so im hoping for a way better yield!
:hippy:Yeah you should get some really good yeilds with that 1000 watter. I usally get around 5 to 6 ounce's per plant dry weight I use 2 400 watters in a 4x4 grow tent. I plan on getting 2 600 watters and start using co2 when I heal up some more. I use dwc buckets with GH nutes and Big bud.:rasta::pimp:
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GDSstonerboy/ProGroWannabe Dual Grow Thread.
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Originally Posted by BigWeed
:hippy:Yeah you should get some really good yeilds with that 1000 watter. I usally get around 5 to 6 ounce's per plant dry weight I use 2 400 watters in a 4x4 grow tent. I plan on getting 2 600 watters and start using co2 when I heal up some more. I use dwc buckets with GH nutes and Big bud.:rasta::pimp:
Thats nice as hell bro! You should definitely do well with 2 600 watts! For the price you'll pay for the 600's you could get 2 1000's from htgsupply on ebay.com, for the same price. Check it out they have very good stuff, it isnt cheap crap, it works really well with really good prices. But that may be overkill though for a 4x4 grow tent though? So scratch what i said go with the 2 600's they will do a bang up job in that tent. How many plants do you usually grow at 1 time in that tent?
Im definitely thinking though if i get everything right i could get over 10 ounces dry off of each plant with that 1000 watter. Since i did so well with just cfls i figured i could do 10x better with 10x times the light, whaddya think? If my fricking C99's dont pull through, the very awesome PROGROWannabe is gonna hook me up with some of his grade A C99 F3's! And i'll go ahead and purchase the Joey Weeds Ak47, Ak99, or Apollo 11 but its totally undecided atm. So hey ProGro why dont you help me out and tell me which one should i got with bro?!
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GDSstonerboy/ProGroWannabe Dual Grow Thread.
LOL GDS, Well, I think the Ak would be what I'd do next. I thought you might go the AK route, so I looked at Hemp Depot's site last night and decided I'll be ordering Northern Lights and White Russian as soon as the big plants pictured above are done. Should be about another 5 weeks!
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I think i'll be going with Ak 47 and Apollo 11. I couldnt decide between the 2 so im just gonna get them both. I'm probably gonna place the order in a few days!
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Right On GDS! I WISH I could order in two weeks. :)
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GDSstonerboy/ProGroWannabe Dual Grow Thread.
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Originally Posted by GDS StonerBoy
Thats nice as hell bro! You should definitely do well with 2 600 watts! For the price you'll pay for the 600's you could get 2 1000's from htgsupply on ebay.com, for the same price. Check it out they have very good stuff, it isnt cheap crap, it works really well with really good prices. But that may be overkill though for a 4x4 grow tent though? So scratch what i said go with the 2 600's they will do a bang up job in that tent. How many plants do you usually grow at 1 time in that tent?
Im definitely thinking though if i get everything right i could get over 10 ounces dry off of each plant with that 1000 watter. Since i did so well with just cfls i figured i could do 10x better with 10x times the light, whaddya think? If my fricking C99's dont pull through, the very awesome PROGROWannabe is gonna hook me up with some of his grade A C99 F3's! And i'll go ahead and purchase the Joey Weeds Ak47, Ak99, or Apollo 11 but its totally undecided atm. So hey ProGro why dont you help me out and tell me which one should i got with bro?!
I can get 3 plants in 5 gallon buckets in there and 20 1 gallon buckets sog. I get more yeild with the sog I just have to flower when plants get 7inchs tall. Yeah I hear you Iwas going to go with the1000 watters I thought it whould be over kill and the 600s are going to be electronic ballast because I seen first hand what they can do. My friend has three of them and they out do the 1000 watter and they save on energy. I ordered some Ak47 and C99 from joey weed and I cant wait to grow them out I have some WW and some seeds that I had breed with my WW. What I ment earlier was when I want to grow big plants I can get 3 5 gallon buckets in there and when I do sog I can get 20 1 gallon buckets in there. 10 ozs dry is doable are you going to do sog or big ass plants. I would do sog but if you are going to do big plants I would nt no more than 3.:rasta::rastasmoke::pimp:
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GDSstonerboy/ProGroWannabe Dual Grow Thread.
Well, I really wanted to do simultaneous updates with GDS, but at this early stage, I don't think much growth can be compared.
So, since I just transplanted the C99 into small pots, I thought I'd throw y'all some eye-candy. The two largest plants are PPP's. They are the two most vigorous ones I have growing. They rooted first, and are growing faster than the rest. However, my cloning environment sucks at the moment. So I think that's more to blame than anything else, for the different growth rates. I'll get it all lined out. Just gonna take more time.
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GDSstonerboy/ProGroWannabe Dual Grow Thread.
Good idea pro Gro it is hard comparing growth at such an early stage so we'll start when the plants are of adequate size!
But here's an update on the C99 and Papaya since there transplant into bigger pots.
The Papaya has grown 2 inches in 2 days since the transplant. The C99 has gotten way bushier but has also gained an inch since transplant. The first pic is the C99 and the second is the Papaya! I'll get pics of the C99 and PPP seedlings this afternoon and give you guys and update on those.
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GDSstonerboy/ProGroWannabe Dual Grow Thread.
This is a wonderful log thread, guys. Keep up the good work!
Shov
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GDSstonerboy/ProGroWannabe Dual Grow Thread.
Thank you shovelhandle. I'm sure we'll run into a few glitches with this format, but we're tryin to keep it from getting too confusing.
GDS, 'dem sure is some sweet lookin girlies! Wish my C99 was that bushy. I goofed, and didn't get the lights right on top of them like I should have.
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GDSstonerboy/ProGroWannabe Dual Grow Thread.
hey Pro quick question for ya, is it the pic or just me, but it looks like your plants are getting a little stretched? They look healthy and all just a little tall, was sure if the pic was up close or what....
GDS, thanks for the pics on your DWC, inspired by your setup, i have the samething going, same plant (clones from the same mother) one in DWC and one in soil. Feeding the same nute mix to both since they are both at the same stage.
other than that this is a great compare...keep it up guys :thumbsup:
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GDSstonerboy/ProGroWannabe Dual Grow Thread.
WTS....your right they are stretched. The C99 seedlings have stretched bad. It's all my fault though. I was too worried about them being delicate right after they popped their heads up. I decided to leave the lights up for a couple of days to keep from giving them too much heat.....obviously that was a mistake. Seems whenever I see the result of my dumbass attacks, what happened becomes very obvious.---lol
The two larger plants are PPP's. They aren't stretched, believe it or not. I selected this pheno from four plants that I grew out before. Their mom was by far the most vigorous of the ones I had. So, they will prolly grow tall as well. I just topped them this afternoon, so that will slow them down a little bit. I expect there to be quite a difference between the height of the PPP and the C99 once they go into the flower room.
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GDSstonerboy/ProGroWannabe Dual Grow Thread.
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Originally Posted by ProGroWannabe
WTS....your right they are stretched. The C99 seedlings have stretched bad. It's all my fault though. I was too worried about them being delicate right after they popped their heads up. I decided to leave the lights up for a couple of days to keep from giving them too much heat.....obviously that was a mistake. Seems whenever I see the result of my dumbass attacks, what happened becomes very obvious.---lol
The two larger plants are PPP's. They aren't stretched, believe it or not. I selected this pheno from four plants that I grew out before. Their mom was by far the most vigorous of the ones I had. So, they will prolly grow tall as well. I just topped them this afternoon, so that will slow them down a little bit. I expect there to be quite a difference between the height of the PPP and the C99 once they go into the flower room.
Other than the strecthing the look fine and doing good. I cant wait to start my grows again I ordered some c99 and ak47 from joey weed through hemp depot that came in last week. Right now I cant do much with multiple injurys from a car wreck earlier this year. Ill be back to growing the first of next year.:rasta::rastasmoke::pimp:
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GDSstonerboy/ProGroWannabe Dual Grow Thread.
So sorry to hear about the wreck Big Weed! An injury is what got me started growing again though. I shattered my knee falling from the top of an eight foot step ladder. Ya know, that place on the ladder where it says "This is NOT a step"--yeah thats where I was standing. Anyway to my surprise, you really can get hurt falling from eight feet. All you have to do is land with your knee locked, and bounce like you were on a pogo stick.
Oh well, now I know I'm not invincible!
Good to have you watchin the thread and try to remember--its all about "one day at a time".