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Some people believe only people with horrible conditions, such as severe chronic pain and cancer. Others believe anyone with a self-diagnosed illness should be able to get it. What do you think about people exploiting a loophole just the get weed legally?
^^ I think there ought to be additions to the list of conditions for which it's indicated, but no way do I think people who diagnose themselves should get it. That's not smart for other medicines, and it's especially not smart for cannabis if we want to get anywhere with decriminalization and legalization.
I have been self-medicating myself for depression, anxiety attacks, and ADD.Quote:
Originally Posted by birdgirl73
I have never been diagnosed, because of the government... I am afraid they might take away my 2nd Amendment right, and bar me from federal employment.
So I smoke illegally, and I just got busted in a state where medical mj is legal, and it might bar me from federal employment.... sigh.
But, I will not lie, I love to get high!
i have a medical condition that i treat with marijuana without a prescription. i think medical marijuana should be available to mostly everyone.
I am 18 years old and a college freshman but recently diagnosed with Reiter's disease, a form of arthritis provoked by an infection. It was so painful at one point that I could not even move (literally). It has since gotten more tolerable and I am up and walkin but still in discomfort. I wish I qualified for medicinal marijuana because I blaze every day and it has DEFINITELY helped...without question. How can they deny these benefits..
Stay high
I have fibromyalgia, IBS, and restless leg syndrome. It HELPS so much. I used to go through the day in horrible pain, but now with even just a small pinch to get me a bit of a quasi-high really does wonders- I don't even have to be high to get it to work, so I can fully concentrate on everything I do.
Anyone who is helped by cannabis should get it medically.
I feel that everyone has a condition that can be helped by cannabis. Whether it's being hyperactive, anti-social, loud-mouthed, asthmatic...
You have never been diagnosed with a medical condition because of the government? And because of your fear that they might take away your second-amendment rights, which are to "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms"?Quote:
Originally Posted by angry nomad
How could a medical diagnosis from a medical professional infringe upon your second-amendment rights? The government doesn't make medical diagnoses. Sounds to me, frankly, like you have some other things to be worried about. . . .
There are very few medical herbs banned by the government. Cannabis is the only one I can think of that cannot kill you.
If I am stupid enough to think that Deadly Nightshade (as a legal, but totally insane example) will cure my achy joints and I manage to kill myself, it will make the papers and everyone will say "What an idiot!" I will be forgotten in less than a week because Brittany died her hair purple. End of story.
If I inhale the fumes from heated virgin flowers of the cannabis plant, and I find it makes me feel better what ever my condition (realizing this may be just analgesia, and not a cure), where is the harm? Even if it is a purely placebo effect, I feel better! If I feel better, my whole life is better. Why should a herb that has never directly killed anyone be banned from use for even trivial ailments by the general adult population? How does relieving pain with a herb count as a crime? Yet, with our present laws, it is a Federal, and in most cases, state crime!
I'm lucky, I live in California! Cannabis makes the difference between a life filled with migraines and a life with occasional "just ordinary" headaches! Randy Brush, who uses a wheelchair, was given 3 years for 4 plants in Ohio. He's out now. His medical conditions made it too expensive for the State to keep him, but not before he ended up in an ICU and almost died! In Cali, he would have just been asked why he didn't have 2 more mature plants! It's absolutely insane! - Granny:hippy:
"Anyone, as long as it has been clinically proven marijuana helps their affliction. "
but only for one reason... we're in a harsh battle, and i'd see it being legalized a hell of alot sooner (and would be publicly accepted before) then if anyone could just claim it helps them...
unless there was a way to absolutely prove MJ helps said person (as in maybe, they go to a doctor, and the doctor administers a small ammount and monitors condition, but monitoring by tests, rather then doctor-patient conversation)
exactly:thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt the Funk
Saying "Anyone who is helped by cannabis should get it medically" is basically the same thing as saying "Anyone who likes cannabis and wants to smoke it because they justify it to themselves as medically useful should get it." We are never going to get anywhere with legalizing it for medical use, much less recreational, with that line of justification. Seriously, with that justification, you can kiss it goodbye. Smooch!
my point exactly, you're just alot more wordy and able to put my thoughts into words :pQuote:
Originally Posted by birdgirl73
You know the bill in Congress right now... After the VTech murders....Quote:
Originally Posted by birdgirl73
That people with psych illnesses shouldn't get guns?
You DO have other things to be worried about!
lol this side convo is really starting to crack me up... :S2:
The big problem with your argument is that because it is illegal, the government won't do tests with marijuana because they say it is illegal, and any tests that are done, are illegal, so clinically proving marijuana can help any single condition is very hard to do, and studies have to be current, it doesn't help if the most recent clinical test for a certain condition treated with marijuana is 5 years old.Quote:
Originally Posted by slipknotpsycho
While I don't really care if others abuse the system, (just as I don't really personally care if someone abuses the system to get pills they don't really need), I didn't vote for that because it's not something I'd prefer to see. I'd prefer medical marijuana to only be used legally by those that really do need it for medical purposes. But because there aren't a lot of studies on marijuana, I sure as hell wouldn't want to wait on the government to do a study before they realize it can help me.
All I can think of when I hear people talk about waiting for a clinical test is an old episode of The Montel Williams show when he was talking about medical marijuana and he had some lady working with the federal government talking about how these tests are a good 5-10 years from being completed. So in the meantime, what are you supposed to do if you are sick? You can't and shouldn't wait, get your medicine any way you need to and the laws will follow. This is a democracy anyway correct?
I am a heavy cannabis user , at least 1.7g a day , through a bong , i actually feel a need for the drug now , i get shakes in the morning , cant sleep more than 6-7 hours , its really affecting me.
Does anyone else feel like this ?!
you gotta crawl before you walk.... medical marijuana is the first step to getting it completely legalized... and if anyone could just claim it helps, and be prescribed it, it will be ALOT harder to get past congress/senateQuote:
Originally Posted by Nailhead
look at it getting legalized for proven illnesses first, then move from there.
also i know my 'solution' isn't the best or most desirable outcome, but in all honesty, it's probbaly the most realistic.
no, and i believe it's in your head.Quote:
Originally Posted by RhinoGrowUK
i strongly believe in mental addiction (to anyone else, lets not take this to the whole debate of whether it has addictive properties or not, i'm just stating my opinion) but in the same respect, i've never seen anyone physically suffer from withdrawl to a point it couldn't be linked to even a WEAK mind (weak, as in, the simplest withdrawl symptoms, that even the mind could fabricate without of ever having a reason to react in that way)
again, it's probably in your head... and your mentality behind it... i was smoking easily up to a 1/4 a day to myself for a year straight, and, while i 'craved' and wanted weed horribly, and even didn't feel right, it's not tobacco..
i've had to quit alot of addictions, which furthers my standpoint (considering, i not only possess a highly addictive personality, but a very pessimistic one and think 'the world is coming ot an end' for lack of a better phrase over the simplest things... i had/have more withdrawl when i don't drink soda for a day or two)
Absolutely ANYONE because cannabis should be LEGAL!
Medical marijuana should be dispensed to only those with a pre-existing condition. No self-diagnosis, but by a condition determined by a doctor.
I completely agree with BG. Self-diagnosis only hurts the medical marijuana movement. They are people out there that are so sick, that marijuana is their only source of relief. No one should get medical marijuana just because they have "depression."
even i agree with this, ALTHOUGH i do have depression, back troubles, insomnia among others and it does help ALL of them significantlyQuote:
Originally Posted by thcbongman
but to push for me to be able to have it just because i say it helps, would hurt it [the legal movement] (if you don't think so, look through the eyes of those who still consider it an evil drug...)
it's a little harder to argue hard fact and study, then someone who (quite honestly to them) just claims it helps so they can use their drug without prossecution.
ya I totally agree, I'm just saying we need to ALSO make sure that the government spends more money to do studies on marijuana for medical use. I hope the dems take over and let the states decide if they want to go medical or not, but I doubt it because drug trafficing is a federal issue, so naturally marijuana will probably always be too. But some states are ok with medical marijuana while others are not, so it would be difficult to get the whole country to sign off on a single unified federal law.Quote:
Originally Posted by slipknotpsycho
But any step forward would be good, I just hope medical marijuana is brought up in this political race or nothing will change.
if i haven't smoked weed i find it harder to get to sleep.. once im asleep there's no problem. i sleep for about 10 - 12 hours on average.Quote:
Originally Posted by RhinoGrowUK
I don't know what you are implying exactly. I believe i have the right to own a gun, even if I smoke pot, or have ADD or depression.Quote:
Originally Posted by birdgirl73
The VTech massacre happened because of there was a school wide gun ban, so none of the students could fight back. There were shootings at the same school about a year and a half ago, but we didn't hear about it, because the killer was stopped dead in his tracks after killing two or three people by a law abiding citizen with a concealed carry, before the gun ban.
I don't believe you're familiar with those laws, Nomad, and how they're written. They do vary slightly in the states where they're in effect now, but the pending national legislation prohibits people with specific psychiatric diagnoses, including schizophrenia, delusional disorder, bipolar disorder, chronic dementia, dissociative identity disorder, intermittent explosive disorder, and antisocial personality disorder from obtaining guns. Trust me that for people who can be delusional and violent, even you don't want them to obtain guns. The way the proposed legislation stands, certain other diagnoses or histories would require a waiting period before someone could obtain a gun. ADD and plain old depression aren't on those lists. That would restrict too many people.
You attributed the cause to the lack of prevention, which isn't a valid argument. The VTech massacre happened because a crazy young man with a lifetime of psychiatric problems slipped through the cracks and wasn't prohibited from purchasing automatic weapons. You can read all about this in the conclusions of the investigation committee that came out two weeks ago.
anyone who is sick in pain or going to die should get mmj i dont think many people on here want to get addicted to pills that are very deadly so anyone who finds it useful should use mmj marijuana is an herb it doesnt kill everyone should get it for all im concerned:thumbsup:
Quite honestly I didn't read all the replies in this thread but, I think if people can get drunk as they please, which is far more dangerous than pot...I think people should certainly be able to smoke marijuana as they please with age restrictions. Of coarse this probably wouldn't be legalized any time soon, but this is my personal opinion.
We are talking about medical marijuana, not general legalization, (even though it often comes up). Age restrictions do not make sense for medicine, which is what marijuana is. You should not be restricted to use a certain medicine simply because you are young unless there has been specific studies showing it to be harmful to a young person and those dangers outweigh the dangers of not using the medicine.Quote:
Originally Posted by tha_green_ghost
Marijuana should be for all ages of anyone that needs it, legally checked up through a doctor of course, however it would be nice if some day we could have legalization for recreational use, but as someone using primarily for medical reasons, that is my first concern not it's recreational use.
i was chating with this kid from cali he gets mmj for chronic pain and nausea he is only 16 so as far as age i dont think that matters i started smoking this wonderful herb when i was 13 i have not seen any noticeable negatiive effects but i have seen very positive effects
EDIT:I realized i jacked my own thread. so, to get back on topic.
I think anyone that thinks medical marijuana helps them should be able to get it. Many people have found that it helps them for so many things. And I don't think those people should have to wait for clinical studies to be done for their prescription to be legitamized. If someone is taking it for back pain, and they smoke it when their back doesn't hurt, that is fine. Now, the only problem I see with this is, and I'm sure it happens, people get their MMJ card just to get high, then brag about it to people. That is bad for the movement.