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Well... there is a lot of discussion about this subject. Several threads teaches how to increase the potency of the weed, activating (decarboxilating) it in the microwave or in the oven.
Several people (including myself) tried it and reported positive results. But there is also people who says thats only placebo effect, or even pure BS.
So, what do you think?
BS.... if you could just activate weed, youw oudln' tneed to cook it in fat, you could just cook it then eat it... when it's heated (microwave, oven or by fire) it releases vapor that contains pretty much the only reason anyone even likes weed (cannabiniods, thc w/e) if there's not fat to capture it (vaporizer works on the same principal actually) it goes in the air and you don't get it, therefore you just wasted your weed..
it's placebo, period.
i activate it with fire
You two are fast... i didnt had even finished the poll options and you already had posted... damn...
well idk about the placebo thing because only after i was feelin it was i informed that the trees where activated..it wasnt like i was feelin completley shit faced, but yeah there was a noticable diff.
I activate it with my bong and my clipper !!! I wouldnt dare 'Spactivate' my smoke !!
uhhh... what is "activating" your weed?
It's pure chemistry, it's not placebo.
THCA -> THC (decarboxylation) occurs at room temperature, but much more efficiently at hot, sub-vaporization temperatures
The efficiency of heating(activating) depends on how well the cannabis was cured and how much THCA it has before you smoke it.
The heat of the flame should cause this process to occur, but I believe it also destroys some molecules. I just can't find an article.
This is most important when making green dragon because it is the only time the cannabis is heated, whereas smoking and cooking involve heat.
Well... until now, most people voted in "WTF is activating weed"... so it seems i should have explained better the subject of this poll... so there is some threads about this:
http://boards.cannabis.com/experienc...otency-mj.html
http://boards.cannabis.com/experienc...ated-weed.html
http://boards.cannabis.com/experienc...-your-bud.html
Does that mean you're throwing everything you smoke in the microwave? I mean.. if it works so well, why not do it ALL the time?
Havnt tried it yet, but for now im staying with BS.
I'm going to give it a shot tonight - but i admit im expecting it to be a waste of time.
I don't know, I wish there were more conclusive studies or something, because there are a lot of people on both sides. I've done it before, and after sharing a bowl with my roommate, we were spaced. But I've also tried it with different weed, and it didn't really do much.
I think it's more placebo than anything.
It's not a placebo IMO, because it's backed up with scientific evidence that its converting THCA into THC or someting like that. If people would try it before knocking it, then that would be good considering we should all be open minded people considering this is a Cannabis forum and we oppress the worlds haters.
I found it gave me much more of a head high. It made the high feel much 'cleaner', lighter and generally not so groggy after a session.
I put pretty much all of my weed in the oven now.
I notice the difference between my mic'ed bud and my non-mic'ed bud. I mic about 3/4 of my bud, and leave the other 1/4O alone just so I can enjoy the original taste and high from the stuff, and the difference is notable for sure.
It works best with lower grade weed, as the properly cured high quality stuff has already done the majority of the THCA -> THC conversion. I can take low end mids and get wrecked out of my mind on a single bowl, when it normally takes me 5-6 bowls to get that high. But high end stuff just seems slightly different, not alot, but noticable because the high changes slightly.
And we ruled out the placebo effect in my apartment because we would take turns with bowl packing on putting in mic'ed or non-mic'ed weed without letting the others know which it is, and seeing if the others noticed or got higher, and without fail every time, they were able to tell if it was mic'ed or not.
I thought the same thing, but was curious and tried it. I figured I was going to feel like an idiot who just wasted weed in a microwave, but was pleasantly suprised when I couldnt get off the couch for two hours off of a bowl of mids.Quote:
Originally Posted by LIP
It will dry up your weed some more, obviously, so it burns quicker, but the smoke is a bit smoother. I can notice a difference in the taste between mic'ed and non-mic'ed sometimes, but its very subtle, and I cant always tell the difference taste wise.
actually when you heat it at a temperature lower than that which the thc and cannabinoids vaporize for a certain period of time it transforms alot of the non psychoactive thc into psychoactive thc. i have done this many times and had great results each time. the microwave is iffy, but throw your bud in the oven for 10 minutes at like 160 degrees you are set.Quote:
Originally Posted by slipknotpsycho
Ive been activating my own stash
for medicinal purposes now for 7 approx. years,
no difference in studies done in my lab
for apothecarys and anecdotal remedys
:jointsmile:
its works perfect for me almost evey time, put some herb on paper, stick into microwave for about 20 seconds then smoke. I notice right away it smokes better and its stronger, goes stright to the head like a gong...lol...try it and see for yourself, works on shwag and high grade but better when a little fresh.
Ive done the oven thing, and it definitely changes the smell and taste some, almost fruity flavored with my stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by nightlight
The microwave isnt too bad, Ive found that 20-30 seconds per 1-2 bowls works really well.
I've tried it, and to me, no differnce. It actually seemed like harsher smoke for me.
I didnt expect it to work - and it didnt.
Not for me, that's for sure.
Just curious, you normally smoke highs right?Quote:
Originally Posted by LIP
High's in what context? High grade weed, or sativa dominant?Quote:
Originally Posted by imitator
well that would explain our diffrencing in opinion, i was assuming yal were talking about 'activating it' at the same tempature as you would use to vaporize bud or cook with it....Quote:
Originally Posted by nightlight
i still don't think it'd really work (or make much of a diffrence), but if it's cooked at lower tempatures, it's alot more plausible..
High grade weed.Quote:
Originally Posted by LIP
Ive noticed the effects were much less noticable in high quality weed. I would imagine its because they cure it alot better, which means the conversion of THCA -> THC has already taken place to a large extent.
I have noticed a large difference when you are doing it to mids or lows, I have actually gotten completely wrecked off of two bowls of lows that were mic'ed, and most times I quit smoking out of boredom before I get that high on lows.
well since i all i ever get are high-schwagg to low mids, i'll do my experimenting the next time i get some bud.. i shall post my results.Quote:
Originally Posted by imitator
It's not a placebo effect, but if your bud is already well-cured this will do nothing.
You're off on that one, buddy. When THC is heated up in the oven, it transfers vapors or whatever into the peanut butter. That's why it has to be organic peanut butter..Quote:
Originally Posted by slipknotpsycho
er... and it has to be organic peanut butter why??? becuase of it's high fat content.... exactly what i said.Quote:
Originally Posted by r0k
you smoke mostly mids right? i would strongly suggest this if that is the case.Quote:
Originally Posted by slipknotpsycho
Okay, well, my take on this is somewhat complicated. I don't at ALL believe I'm smarter than anyone, but just through my course in psychology we've been learning about how studies are actually conducted. After reading two of the three posted threads, results are clearly inconclusive, in the most conclusive ways.
Now, what all these threads have done...is create CHAOS! Now, everyone who is skeptical will try it with skepticism in mind; those who have read the testimonies of those who say, "It worked! It is amazing!" will go into with a bias, as well, thinking, already, that it will work for them. So the people who don't believe it works, will have it not work for them, simply through the power of their brain. Same goes for those who think it will work.
I think, personally, that it may work, HOWEVER I also believe that it may not work. What I'm saying is, until there is actual scientific study done on the matter, we'll probably never EVER know whether this really works or not. The chances of THAT happening is...well...I don't think there are any chances of that happening, =(.
Personally, I took a small nugg, I microwaved (because I've never purchased or needed tinfoil) for 30 seconds, after breaking it up, of course. No real smell at all, and no real difference in the smell or taste of the weed. In terms of effects, I was highly skeptical going into this experiment because of my past knowledge, or heresay, perhaps, that microwaving cannabis only destroys THC content. But since I just bought a quad, I figured a nuggie wouldn't hurt. I think that...it may actually have made me more high. I mean...
I'm biased, basically. I didn't want it to work, but...I think it might have made me a little more high.
yup and like i said, i'ma try it next time i get the chance.Quote:
Originally Posted by nightlight
I agree bro, but I have never used the micro, heres instructions it has been posted already but I realy think every one should try this. Like it says some try smoking like this and never smoke any other way after. In other words they think not activating your herb is a waste of herb, I know its is crazey but I know alot of people from Amsterdam, Vancouver who are smoking the dankyest herbs in the world all day every day and they think like this????? Try it mabey you too will change the way you soke herb. I definitly notice a differance, weather potency has increased I dont know.Quote:
Originally Posted by olliegrow
blog.myspace.com/MadSativa
You know Iā??m activating! :thumbsup:
I have been doing this for years. If I have enough time I will always throw some buds in the oven.
IT WORKS!! But mostly with fresher budz, shwag and HG has to be a little mosit still in order to work. Ive tried it multiple times with old brown dry stuff and didnt get much change. I use a microwave for about 20-21 seconds on high. Oven works but takes me too long. Try it cant hurt but dont burn your budz..peace
Well... there is some time since the last person voted, so i think most people already voted, and so i can analise the results.
Most people (21/62) didnt know what is activing (decarboxilating) the weed.
From that ones who actually did make the experiment, there were:
7 (36.8%) that had excellent results and went far higher.
7 (36.8%) that reported noticeable difference in the high.
5 (26.4%) that percieved no difference.
This process of decarboxilation works well in schwag/mids or fresh harvested bud, but makes small difference to high quality or well-cured bud. That would explain why some people reported no difference, while some people reported great increase in the high.
Also, this process increases only the amount of THC, and not the CBD. As the THC is which causes the sativa "high" effects, and the CBD which causes the indica "stone" effects, probably the ones who reported that the high were different, but not stronger were the ones who smoke indica ones.
A good indica have a large amount of CBD, and few THC. Decarboxilating it will result in an increase of the amount of THC, thus increasing the sativa-like character of the weed, changing the kind of the high, which was initially indica-like.
I think this results can be considered a "scientific" (under the limited conditions of a small number of votes) proof of the efficience of the method. It works, under the apropriate conditions.
If you did make the experiment yourself, please tell how it was!
And happy activating! :thumbsup::rastasmoke::jointsmile::stoned:
I back that 100%, and some more.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coelho
EDIT* Oh yea, thanks again for introducing this to me
I agree that it is ONLY the placebo effect. A lot of things today are believed due to the placebo rule. Though it does not hurt to have a placebo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coelho
Studies show that a placebo actually does increase the effect of a specific substance (weed being this case). This is so because since you are believing the substance's effect is being increased, it usually does. :pimp:
SO, even though the microwave example is probably a placebo.. who cares? It'll still increase the effectiveness of the THC, but ONLY if you believe it is.
Toke on tokers, toke on.
Well... there is a lot of people who believed that it would not work, but did make the experiment anyway, and reported positive results. I dont think it fits in the definition of "placebo"...Quote:
Originally Posted by blunt smoker
You are welcome! :thumbsup: Keep going higher and higher! :stoned::rastasmoke::jointsmile::abduct:Quote:
Originally Posted by WeedyBoyWonder
If it is placebo then it does not increase THC. In this case it is not placebo I donā??t have to believe it works because chemistry makes it work. Some of us are long time smokers and can easily tell if this works or not especially when tolerance is high. The only reason people doubt this method is because they donā??t understand it.Quote:
Originally Posted by blunt smoker