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well when a mommy and a daddy love each other very much they do something called sexual intercourse. then the sperm fertilizes the egg and a babby starts growin
roughly 9 months later the babby is born
well thats how i came to be i dont know about you
Well see first. God was nice enough to give our ancestors life. Which passed on to us.
Well who created you mommy and daddy and theirs etc
Search deeper, I wouldn't just blow off your creation as a joke
People are voting other and not explaining... Tisk tisk :)
My daddy and my momma kinda did a dirty dance.
Inbetween the sheets, with shaving cream, in paris france.
Daddy got the lube then momma got the tube;
nine months later I'm sucking milk from momma's boob
Let me tell you bout the birds and the bee's and flowers and the trees . . .
when your mum and dad know each other for long enough you start to happen and then you come alive and then you see like because you are you
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Originally Posted by Reefer Rogue
I beleive in creation, Reefer. What's your stance? Sorry bout my tasteless rhyme, bro. I just felt a little condescension coming from the OP. If I'm wrong I appologize.
Junk
Let see... My dad spit some game to my mon and them he hit it. Then cam me.
How is my post condescending when i put 'how'Quote:
Originally Posted by JunkYard
My stance is i was created by God.
Make all the sexual intercourse jokes you want, it doesn't offend me, it simply reflects on your maturity to actually think about an issue instead of simply joking it aside, deflecting your thoughs with humour.
I used to be agnostic but now i truly believe i was not just thrown into existence. Ganja is the key to a new understanding of the self, the universe and Jah.
I simply assumed, reefer. Most posts like this are antagonistic towards the creation theory, so I deflected with a crude joke. My appologies, bro. (Again)Quote:
Originally Posted by Reefer Rogue
I try to avoid arguments as they serve no real purpose, man. I'm happy that you have found your spiritual side, but my maturity is what it is. No one is perfect brother.
All joking aside, I believe that God created all things.
Junk
Yes, jokes mean immaturity. none of us have discussed this much at all in this section of the website. And besides your poll asked how I was created, not people or life in general.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reefer Rogue
Having said that, my mom and dad boned each other, did the nasty, bumped uglies, horizontal mamboed, and put the penis into the vagina and ejaculated all up in there, got a few tadpole swimmers around the egg and I'm the one that won out :D
I believe god is a creation of Man and life is simply a natural miracle. It's something that should be revered but not taken too seriously.
my parents banged and TADA!
yeah God had my soul resting and he threw me inside a sperm cell and permitted me to win the race and fertalize the egg so my soul could get combine with its other side the "evil side"...............basically God put me in my daddys balls my dad shoots me out (hoping i dont land in a toilet or a napkin like my other dead brothers n sisters) then i combine with my other side and rip thru a vagina
uh.. my mom and dad fucked... what else do you want me to tell you? :wtf:
well i would make a serious post about how i and the entire human race came to be but i dont want to start a debate about creationism/evolution so i just used humor to avoid that
I was conceived the day JFK was killed, and born nine months later, so I'm going with...I am JFK reincarnated! Now if only I could figure out how to tap into the family fortune! ;)
Well, at the beginning of our observable universe, matter and energy came into existence (without violating the conservation laws regarding the creation of such things, mind you; all the matter and the energy in the universe, when they are added together, equal zero). The universe was mostly hydrogen and helium, which gravity collapsed together into clumps, which became dense enough to undergo nuclear fusion in their cores, synthesizing the heavier elements. The larger stars, the ones with the most heavy elements, end up going supernova and exploding their contents throughout their galactic region. Over a few generations of stars, the new stars now have planetary disks of heavier elements, which was the case with our Sun. Clumps of matter in the solar planetary disk coalesced together by gravity, until many of them had assembled into planets. On Earth, some sort of chemical process occurred where organic molecules became capable of making crude copies of themselves. The molecules which were more accurate and more efficient at self-replication created lots of copies of themselves, and the molecules which weren't died off. Thus began the process of Darwinian natural selection, a powerful process by which energy from the Sun is able to create amazingly complex machines that are extremely efficient at self-replication. Four billion years of that and here our horny asses are.
There is no reason to posit anywhere in this process the intervention of some amazingly complex designer. Consciousness and intelligence are the most complex things we know of in the universe. The purpose of evolution is to explain how complex things like consciousness and intelligence arise from simple beginnings. The "intelligent design" hypothesis is so obviously untrue because its basic argument goes like this:
Gee, wee need to explain how all these complex things like biological organisms, and especially consciousness and intelligence, got here. So let's assume that there was some amazingly complex, conscious, intelligent creature with magical superpowers. We have no idea how he got there. Maybe we weren't meant to know. He invented all these amazingly complex things which are much much less complex than he is.
Really, think about it. Anything complex enough to design and create all of life would have to be much much more complex than even the entirety of life itself. If your main problem with evolution is that it's hard to swallow that complexity can arise from simplicity, you should have a much larger problem with the God hypothesis, which says there is something more complex than life itself that arose from nothingness.
wow oneironaut. that's an astounding combination of practical science and ethereal awareness. I'd give you rep but it wouldn't let me cuz I've given you some recently.
I believe that in some way, our "souls" or some type of awareness existed pre-mortally. I don't think they were ever created though, just recycled from one form of energy to another. One reason I lean that way is by observing the characteristics of each astrological sign. Whether you believe in a daily horoscope or not (which I don't), there are obvious general personality similarities with people born during the same time period in the year, with some exceptions. It indicates to me the possibility that those individuals possessed those attributes pre-earth and somehow were consigned to specific time of year for birth, maybe due to the orbital position of the earth around the sun.
I also believe that in some ineffable way, all human beings and animal beings and plant beings and probably all matter and energy were at one time or will be one great whole and possibly one conscious entity.
These are just my current conjectures about this topic. I like what the 'naut said about how the complexities in conscious life shouldn't encourage you to work backwards from the point of something much more supreme, but rather to look at the foundations of that life to better understand our nature. But like always, our minds have a hard time with infinite matters because all we are capable of perceiving is based in a finite universe and any superior intellect we are capable of is founded on natural, raw molecular material.
this thread has potential but the immature posts are fucking it up.
My mom and dad screwed...
given the vast amount of time and the infinite number of chances available, i suppose a critter like me was just bound to happen. no deity in its right mind would ever dream up the bizarre mixture of psychosis, logic and infantile humor which continually revolves around what passes for my mind. though i would love to believe that my grand delusions are the planned result of the workings of some ultimate intelligence, i'm afraid we'll just have to blame random chance and chaos's strange sense of humor.
(bursts into song) 'When a maaaaannnnnnn!!! loves a woman......
Thank you for your intelligent and mature post. I respect your opinion, however i just can't believe that we arose from nothing. The universe is too complex to be just a coincidence, imo. That's the kind of response i was looking for, not a stupid post saying my mom banged my dad =/ I just wanted to see other people's views on the subject. However, we came to be i believe we should embrace existence while we are on earth.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oneironaut
I don't think we arose from nothing either. I find it very hard to believe anything can just pop up out of nothing, which is one reason I find it so hard to believe in a God who did precisely that. I can more easily swallow a universe popping out of whatever quantum fluctuation or whatever set the whole thing off, than I can swallow the idea of an already-formed intelligent universe-creator popping out of nowhere, then deciding to pop everything we see into existence.
It's a completely unnecessary step in the process. It would be like a chemist doing an experiment and saying "Gee, I don't know how this particular chemical reaction took place, so I'm going to posit the existence of a super-intelligent chemical reaction creator who popped into existence 2 seconds before the chemical reaction, miracled the chemical reaction into existence, and he needs me to believe in him on faith." The idea of a universe god is as ridiculous to me as the idea of a sun god. People who have no idea how physics work find it hard to imagine that the sun just came into existence by natural physical law, so historically they have often anthropomorphized it and worshiped it, turning it into a god. Nowadays people do the same thing to the whole universe and laugh at the sun gods of our ancestors. Why? Do they know for a fact that there is no sun god? Of course they don't. That doesn't mean anybody should actually take the sun god hypothesis seriously though, until there's some real evidence for a real sun god. Just because you don't understand the physics behind the sun's creation, or the universe's creation (things our human brains did not evolve good equipment for imagining), that doesn't mean at all that a deity is a responsible, any more than it means a swarm of magical fairies is responsible.
If you bet on theism and win, what do you gain? Eternal life, infinite reward, an endless positive payoff. And if you lose, you lose nothing. For any pleasures you gave up, there was an acceptable one to substitute. If you bet on god and lose, you won't survive death to discover you lost.
To believe in God means to see that life has a meaning.
That's assuming you know God's heart, which no one can claim.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reefer Rogue
What if God decided that the only way to get into a "heaven equivalent" was to not worship false gods. If everybody is worshipping Christ, Muhammed, or anything of the sort, then you don't get eternal life.
Maybe god just wants people to be good without being scared into being good.
So to say that the gamble will only pay off for theists is to assume that you know God's heart... you know... if It even exists.
The question then becomes, which god? Then you have to sort through all the evidence for god from all the religions to pick the one that seems most probable. But then you discover that none of them actually have an objective repeatable test that there *is* a god, and you have to resort to assuming that they're right. Or 'believing' if you like that word better than 'assuming'. Same thing though.
I suspect if there is a god, he's not going to be that picky. In fact, you might get bonus points and an extra virgin or two to molest if you do good while believing there *is* no god. In other words, do good for its own sake, rather than being told you 'should', or out of fear of eternal damnation or whatnot. And the people who did good to earn 'God points' or to avoid hell perhaps don't get such a good deal. In which case, you might regret believing, and pay for it forever. There's every bit as much evidence that this is the case as there is that it isn't.
God is the one and only greatest possible being. (By definition)
A greatest possible being has the greatest form of existence possible, which is necessary existence, or existence in all possible circumstances. (By definition)
It is at least possible that there is a God. (There is a God in some possible set of circumstances, whether they are actual circumstances, or fictional, yet possible, ones)
A god who exists in any possible circumstances exists in all. (From premise 2)
Therefore,
God exists in the actual world. (In the circumstances in which we actually find ourselves)
It is necessary to assume something which is necessary of itself, and has no cause of its necessity outside itself but is rather the cause of necessity in other things. And this a man calls God.
Who's definition are we going by? Yours? God's? It's certainly not mine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reefer Rogue
There's a possibility for a Flying Spaghetti Monster too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reefer Rogue
OYG! FSM exists too!Quote:
Originally Posted by Reefer Rogue
Only if one subscribes to your assumptions would they think that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reefer Rogue
So, why is it necessary to assume? You lost me here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reefer Rogue
We all hold our own assumptions about God because God is necessary in itself due to the definition of God.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hardcore Newbie
1. The existence of something is intelligible only if it has an explanation. (by definition of intelligibility)
2.The existence of the universe this either
a: is unintelligible, or
b: has an explanation (from step 1)
3. No rational person should accept 2-a (by definition of rationality)
4. A rational person should accept 2-b: The universe has an explanaiton
5. There are only three kinds of explantion:
a: scientific: explantions of the form C+L->E (independent initial physical conditions, plus relative laws, yield the event explained)
b: Personal: explantions that cite the desires, beliefs, powers, and intentions of some personal agent.
c: Essential: The essence of the thing to be explained necessitates its existenceor qualities.
6. The explanation for the existence of the whole universe can't be scientific. (There can't be initial physical conditons and laws independent of what is to be explained)
7. The explanation for the existence of the whole universe can't be essential. (the universe is not the sort of thing that exists necessarily.)
Therefore
8. A rational person should believe that the universe has a personal explanation.
9. No personal agent but God could create an entire universe.
Therefore,
10. A rational person should believe that there is a God.
As a house implies a builder, and a garment a weaver, and a door a carpenter, so does the existence of the universe imply a creator.
But of course God doesn`t need a creator. God is the only thing that gets a free pass on this implication because it suits your view. Why does the rationality stop at god, why can it not stop at the existence of a universe?Quote:
Originally Posted by Reefer Rogue
The existence of God is intelligible not because it was caused by anything or anyone, but because it flows from his essence. God cannot fail to exist. God exists necessarily. It is God's essential nature to exist. And in this regard, God is very different from anything in the universe. God's existence logically follows from God's essence.
Of course it is. The universe's purpose obviously can't be simply to exist. that would negate the need of a god, and we can't have that. Sorry, you can't have that.
Hope to see ya on Mt. Zion :rasta:
I guess that means you're done arguing and it isn't illogical for someone to believe that God doesn't exist.
*edit* I'm not saying you're wrong, but to imply that you know the exceptions to rationality is misleading at best.
haha what a question......I was forged outta alien steel and a NYC cupcake
The point of debating is not to win, rather to become enlightened.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hardcore Newbie
If going by the definition of God, (he is perfect) then for God not to exist would be an imperfection.
I don't expect to convince anyone, i believe what i believe, as do you. We can only gain knowledge from each other's perspective. No one can actually know for a fact, whether or not God actually exists. This leads people to scepticism. Doubt is the vestibule to truth. Like i've said, I used to be agnostic, however, after experimenting with cannabis and reading about the Rastafari (head creator) That really opened up my mind and too many coincidences have happened in my life, i truly believe Jah want I around to fulfil his philosophy and to share that knowledge with anyone who is willing to listen. Spirituality is personal, but is shared by billions of people.
What's wrong with the world is, it's not finished yet.
That's the whole point of debate, yes. I'm not claiming to *know*, I'm claiming ignorance, and I'm trying to figure out why you say that you do know, and your rationalities for your logic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reefer Rogue
Why must there be something perfect in or outside of the universe?
I'm sceptical myself. If I'm shown otherwise, then I'll be swayed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reefer Rogue
if i were to explain, i would have a tripple bible's worth of spam.
the gist is long too... but here goes.
there is a begining and end to all things, nothing is forever, with the exception of, nothing, itself.
IF there is a begining it is a loop, and nothing marks the end and start of the loop.
because all that which exists is mental, mind stuff, nothing cannot last forever as a time. as the mind stuff become self aware, nothing becomes something, and the spark of evolution of nothing begins, just as it ends after periods of great suffering and strife, couppled with the will to ceace. the mind receeds back into nothing(ness).
HOWEVER, due to the rule of infinity, there are always somethigns and nothings in all infinite ends of the infinite mind, that is to say: there is no period of absolute nothingness over the whole of infinity, a contradiction to the very essence of infinity.
if infinity has no bounds, then the whole of infinity can never be one, or an absolute, but a complete collection of all sects and variations of what we percieve to be chaos.
i came and went from infinity to infinity to infinity, without conscious awareness of my travels, just like all else of infinity fluxuates.
WE are the gods of our bodies, and we symbolise, quite perfectly, the gods of US.
if we were created by some sort of god, then our cells were created by us, worship us, and know nothing about us.
perhaps, to our cells as with us, there is no true order in this life within this realm of infinity. it wont last forever, so when it ends, our energies will move on to open space(s) in other sections of infinity, as it continously fluxuates, infinitely.