what's your opinion about Out of Body Experiences, Astral projections, ... ?
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what's your opinion about Out of Body Experiences, Astral projections, ... ?
no idea wut that is, but im intrigued.
They are real. Fucking weird as hell. If I could control them that would be interesting. And if they aren't real, they are fucking amazingly intense hallucinations.
Yep. I am convinced that they exist. I've never had one, but I've been researching and messing with metaphysics for quite a long time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt the Funk
By the way, an Astral Projection is an out of body experience. However, there are two types of OBE's: etheric and astral. The Etheric plane is the plane between the physical plane and the astral plane. The etheric plane is said to be at a higher vibrational frequency than the physical plane, and the astral plane is said to be at an even higher vibrational frequency than the etheric plane. Thus, the astral plane is pretty much separate from the physical and etheric. The etheric, however, has a visual and mental connection to the physical plane. So, in an etheric projection, you can see the physical plane; however, you cannot really interact with it (some people say you can, however it takes a lot of energy and discipline in OBE and energy work). The only connection between the astral and the physical is that thoughts from the physical can be manifested in the astral. That's what I remember, at least. There are higher levels of the astral plane, too. For instance, the Mental Plane. Only very few have been able to project into the mental plane, apparently.
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I've had some experiences while falling asleep, which make me think that I've been close to have an OBE, but I've never really achieved it.
well, the thing is... a week ago, I was smoking and I was tripping very intensely, in a very special place of mine, and listening to some very intense psychedelic music, and I felt something very simliar to what I've felt when I've been close to those OBE... it has made me wonder if it might have been possible to have such an experience under the effects of cannabis :|
I had that happen to me on occasion. Usually, its been right before I fall asleep or right before I wake up, so I'm semi conscious. THEY USED TO SCARE THE HELL OUT OF ME! lol Like...it feels weird. My whole body was paralyzed and I felt like there wassomething in the room with me. But there wasnt, I just wasnt used to the feeling.
I have never managed to leave my body, but I did one time feel my legs float towards the ceiling. So Id say its real. I havent had that experience happen to me in a long time so Im guessing its spontaneous. ALthough I have read there are people who can actually astrally travel and float through the sky, and even outerspace apparently.
is it simialar to lucid dreaming?
Some believe it is lucid dreaming. Other people strongly believe that you actually leave your body. Also, you can will yourself to astral project in a lucid dream. All you do is say "I want to leave my body now" when you're in a lucid dream. Then imagine doing so. The only thing about that method is that it's hard to differentiate between dream and reality in that. So most people actually do it the regular way.
cool. btw love the avatar
I don't think they are the same. Almost all my dreams are atleast partially lucid. And i've had 1 OBE. They weren't too similar.Quote:
Originally Posted by mfqr
sorry sir thats lucid dreaming
They could also be sleep paralysis. I've experienced that frequently and it resembles being out of the body- there is a scary/trippy feeling to it...I couldn't move my body, but my "self" moved beyond my body, and seemed to hover,float around, move through walls, etc. Pretty weird stuff. I could feel an episode coming on like a creeping paralysis. It always happened while lying on my back, just as I would lie down for a nap; studies have actually found that correlation- so I switched to sleeping on my side, and no more out-of-body traveling! That may be different from astral projection but it sounds very similar to me.
Another time I've had that sort of sense (other than from hallucinogenic drugs of course) was from meditating once. I'd been meditating daily for weeks before I had the experience of lightness and feeling beyond earthly self. I wish I had the discipline to sit still and do that more, but I am SO figety! It was a beautiful experience.
I also felt a soaring of the spirit once while chanting with 50 women in a Buddhist temple in Tokyo. The voices merged into a sound, harmony of the spheres, and that was definately an elevation beyond the material.
Altered states are very interesting aren't they:stoned:
completely diff. from lucid in my opinion because ive had both and you can have an obe by simply taking a lot of LS..... Well you get the picture lol .
wierd I was thinking about this shit erlier today when I noticed someone had gotten 777 posts on their count, started to think about Alster Crowley, so on and so on
one day when i was on a trip :hippy:. i was tired, and went to go lay down on the bed. i just dropped backwards onto the bed, and fell through it like it was water. i was looking up at myself laying out on the bed. For like 10 min i stayed in this state, not quite in my body but not fully out of myself. My freind opened the door, and i could see her face, her mouth was saying somthing but i couldn't hear. i floated back into myself and woke up. I tried to explain this to my freinds but they didn't undarstand.
Well guys, of course you can think what you want on this subject, but let me assure you. Astral Projection is the same thing as lucid dreaming, you leave your body in both, just in astral projection you feel it, while during lucid dreaming, you're unconscious. Some sites/people will say that's not true, but like I said, you can choose to believe what you want.
Yes, it is possible to project under the influence of marijuana.. And yes, it is very real.
i had one once, i couldnt really control what was going on, but i was outside of my body and i could clearly see the spot where i was sitting, and my friend siting on a chair acriss from me, he was conversing with me, and i would have a delay in which i would hear what had said then like it was being relayed through my body to my mind... i could process it then think of a response and watch as it came out of my mouth... the whole experience lasted about 10 minutes im guessing... it was assisted by the use of some unmentionable substances
Thats pretty identical to mine.Quote:
Originally Posted by ghosty
I had a really vivid lucid dream recently. When I realised I was dreaming I tried to walk through a wall, and in doing so confirmed to myself that I had indeed reached a state of lucidity. But the thing is I couldn't stop having the ability to pass through solid objects. I could push my hand into walls and actually feel some resistance when I did it, I really had to force myself through walls. But the strange thing was I kept waking up in the dream, in the house where I was sleeping and each time I would get up and find that I still had this power. After several times I started to get really paranoid that I would never be able to stop having this ability, and just before I woke up there were people in the houses across the road from me watching from their windows. I closed the curtains, yet still everyone outside could look in and see me. Perhaps I was connecting with my neighbours in the astral plane. The dream didn't lead to the sensation of flying or floating outside my body as it often does. But it was certainly one of the most lucid states I have ever acheived in a dream for a while.
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Originally Posted by ghosty
yea i have had experiences like that on various unmentionable substances ;)
Oh yeah, I know. I think they are different, too. All I am saying is that some people believe OBE's are lucid dreams, and that you can have an OBE within a lucid dream - although, it then becomes hard to differentiate between dream and reality in that method.Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt the Funk
Check this out, it says scientists have created goggles to recreate a OBE.
Scientists recreate out-of-body experiences (no drugs) - Yahoo! News
hmm.. that discourages me. I WISH i could remember what i dream about. I Can never remember what i dream about ever.. theres the random dream i get about once a month i SOMETIMES remember the dream.. then most times i remember it when i first start to wake up.. then when i am fully awake i forget it or i can only remember bits and pieces of it..
PROS: No nightmares, or night "terrors".
Cons: No sweet dreams, no nothing. I never remember having an erotic dream. i just don't remember it or i only remember bits and pieces of dreams.
So what im going to ask is : Is there any advice or techniques you can use to remember dreams, and to enter a really lucid dream..
one time i had a dream that me and my friend went to a slipknot concert on the moon =] ahaah and i have had a reoccurring dream in my younger years, were i was getting chased around by a witch in my grandmas house while the house was burning.. i always made it out safely, but by the third time i had the same dream,, i knew like exactly what to do.. is that lucid OR i don't know..
edit: I remember my mom telling me she had a dream where she felt paralyzed and she felt the sheets tighten as if something was coming from under the beds and was pulling on her blankets trying to climb up the bed. and the blankets were loose and then all of a sudden they went tight.. as if some thing was pulling them.. then she screamed and then i guess she woke up and her gramma came in and told her she was dreaming but my mom said she thought it was actually really happening.. she always told me she was thinking about her new friend who was sleeping in a differnelt like house or hut ( she lived on a farm. and they rented out like little house or somehting????) and she said to her self" i wish my friend was here" and when she opened her eyes, she saw a hand reach around her door then a head looked into her room from her doorway and it was her best friend.. but she was all pale and looked evil.. like it was her freind.. but it wasnt kinda like the girl from the movie exorcist (all white and pale looking) then my mom screamed and the girl disappeared..
My Mom also said before she went to bed.. she thought of subjects that she would dream about.. and it usuually worked.. my mom always dreams
and all these stories happened wen she was a child so.. she wasn't on like any drugs or anything..
she always tells me about her dreams.. she remembers them. every night.. she could tell me about what she dreamed about if she wanted to.
Sorry for long post
i ment to put She Also told meQuote:
Originally Posted by Vaporize Me
sorry i wouldnt let me edit my post
Yeah, I read that article about the researchers giving people OBEs. Interesting stuff. I doubt OBEs are real, except in the sense that they may *feel* real. It's just the brain tricking itself, similar to what those researchers duplicated, making you feel as if your 'self', the point of view of where 'you' are, feel as if it is outside your body.
There would be some easy ways to test the legitimacy of OBEs. The important thing is that the test be reproducible. Take a person who says they can OBE themselves. Put a book in the room next door, open to a random page. Have the OBE person leave their body and memorize, say, the ninth sentence on the left page in the book one room over, then reenter their bodies and say what that sentence is. Unfortunately, nobody can do this, or anything even similar, which is what leads me to believe that it's just our brain tricking itself.
One of my best friends is into this stuff, like astrology n meditation and the astral plane. Frankly, i couldn't care less. Meditation's kool though but i don't buy into transits from astrology. He says when we dream we're on the astral plane. Whatever, i dunno and i don't care.
Timothy Leary's dead.
No, no, no, no, He's outside looking in.
Timothy Leary's dead.
No, no, no, no, He's outside looking in.
He'll fly his astral plane,
Takes you trips around the bay,
Brings you back the same day,
Timothy Leary. Timothy Leary.
R.I.P