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Top 10 reasons not to legalize weed in the US:
1. Taxes
2. Well, the police would probably come up with a way to tell if you were driving under the influence right then....and personally, i would be fucked almost everytime i got pulled over.
3. damn.......FUCK.......someone help me out here.....maybe it should be legal.......anyone know any other reasons to keep it illegal?
so people can keep hating the goverment for keeping weed illegal
Are you kidding? Weed would be way less expensive, even with significant taxes, if it could be mass produced and taxed like tobacco is.Quote:
Originally Posted by slipnslide087
Really, think about it as much as you want, there's absolutely no down side to legalization... Not for me anyway :D
yeah, i know it would be less....but taxes is giving to the govt, and they would probably spend it on defense, weapons, armed forces, etc., not something positive like NASA, so they can find out how to get us the fuck off the planet. Or, they could use it for medical research. If we put enought ime and effort into medecine rather than governing other third world countries and stupid bush shit, we might have a cure for the common cold at least, instead of being able to launch a missile halfway around the world and hit a fly in the ass. I think i would like legalization, but i know i would be screwed everytime i got pulled over, and that is a big setback. anyways....peace
good pointQuote:
Originally Posted by slipnslide087
3) its an intoxicating substance and could increse accidents on the road
2) it is a carcinogin, it is bad for your lungs, legal weed means more smoking, means more lung diseases
3) its addictive, metaly, but still addictive, and mental adictions are the hardest to break
4) it can cause development problems in younger smokers
theres many reasons...
Truth.Quote:
Originally Posted by koshea
Also you have to consider the people who's jobs depend on potheads going to jail, such as prison guards. Also what happens if people stop using alot of medicine? Many pharmacies and companies would close down. But it is an addictive substance, that's the worst part. Imagine EVERY body getting pissy whenever they can't get the money for weed, or aren't high. In fact, imagine how much dumber America would be if we were all high all the time.
yeah
i agree man, i love weed with all my heart but ill be the first to admit its bad, and truthfully it shouldnt be legalized. the only true reason is convience, so we wouldnt have to worry about being seen with it or while smoking, and easyer to get...but the last think stoners need is convience...shit...we're lazy enough already
I see it more as people all have choices in life to make for themselves. Drinking is addictive and causes liver problems yet people choose to drink anyways, or better yet smoking ciggs we all know is bad yet it is legal. I just feel we should be given the power to make the decision for ourselves and not by people who's antiquated views are not in line with my own.
drinking and ciggs are bad too, but ciggarettes dont change the way you see or function physicaly so they arent a danger to others, and drinking is legal because they tried to outlaw it and the prohibition was so corrupt it failed, they are both too deeply rooted in the worlds culture to be outlawed
ITs my opinion that it isnt the governments place to be telling you what to do with your body. They then start overstepping their boundries. It is up to the government to provide saftey and order, not overrun our lives with restrictions and regulations. The first people came to escape tyranny now Europe has more freedom then we do.
I say not entirely legalize MJ, but make it decriminalized. I just hate MJ laws because if I got caught with it, (any amount, or any substance of that matter), I won't be able to get federeal financial aid for college.
I agree, Purple. If it wasn't for the financial aid thing, I wouldn't have to be as careful, I barely leave the house with weed on me just because of that.
http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=5450Quote:
its an intoxicating substance and could increse accidents on the road
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/1068625.stm
http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabi..._driving.shtml
They have yet to prove smoking cannabis causes lung damage. In my eyes legal weed means cheaper weed and more people using oral consumption, also easy access to healthier smoking devices such as vaporizers.Quote:
it is a carcinogin, it is bad for your lungs, legal weed means more smoking, means more lung diseases
http://www.ukcia.org/research/cancer2.htm
http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=3704
http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v03/n1432/a02.html
http://www.alternet.org/story/9257
Alcohol, caffeine, sex, video games, television, internet, electricity, music, sports, food...all addictive.Quote:
its addictive, metaly, but still addictive, and mental adictions are the hardest to break
All I could find on this subject: http://www.whatsdrivingyou.org/resou..._and_body.htmlQuote:
it can cause development problems in younger smokers
Well maybe the criminal justice system will have to focus on something else, like say...real criminal justice. Pharmacies wouldn't close down, people still need their anti-biotics, opioids and anti-depressants, and then pharmacies would also carry cannabis. Also think of all the jobs that would open up if marijuana became legal. People would have to manage both the business side of selling cannabis as a product and the cultivation side, growers, harvesters, quality inspectors.Quote:
Also you have to consider the people who's jobs depend on potheads going to jail, such as prison guards. Also what happens if people stop using alot of medicine? Many pharmacies and companies would close down. But it is an addictive substance, that's the worst part. Imagine EVERY body getting pissy whenever they can't get the money for weed, or aren't high. In fact, imagine how much dumber America would be if we were all high all the time.
This would also open up the chance for people to grow their own legally, so you wouldn't have to worry about taxed marijuana giving money to the government.
Imagine the money saved on the tax payers once MJ is decriminalized. My unlce is a probation officer he is all for the decriminalzation of MJ,shrooms, and all natural drugs. He says once these guys who got caught with maybe an oz of weed go into jail, they get involved in things they never would have. Just from being around other criminials. The whole judicial system is a huge mess.
1 more problem with the US government is that it can never decrease. It is always expanding, we need to throw out the Constitution and re-write a new one every generation, just like Jefferson suggested
RAGE AGAINST THE MACHINE! I HATE where our GOVERNMENT is going! Yet i love the U.S., i feel it can still be saved before we head down the road to facism. Which is where we are headed, my friends.
dont try to bullshit me saying weed isnt bad for your lungs, believe me i smoke weed daily and i also play football. it is offseason, aka nazi camp...anywho...being the smoker i am i can literally feel my lungs being fucked up cuz of smoking when i run and such
Jefferson every 200 years, not every generation.....we are overdue though, and it is starting to show
200? Heh, My college professor taught us every generation. I am looking at the question from the test right now.
heh. funny. When you are being taught history it is all from their perspective, I wonder how much of what we are taught Actually occured.
it could be causing damage...like shortness of breath and such, but he was saying it hasnt been proven to cause cancer, emphysema, etc. Any kind of smoke would ahve an effect on your lungs man. peace.
yeah thats weird....bc i know for a fact i was taught every 200 years
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Originally Posted by slipnslide087
well his exact words were "They have yet to prove smoking cannabis causes lung damage."...
lol...his exact words were lung damage....
is damage the same word as diseases?
if so then my brothers car had $600 worth of diseases after our wreck!!! :eek:
Hey man, nobody's telling you that you have to smoke. I dono, maybe I'm just being an ass. I have a tendisy to do that. Then again, I can't spell worth a shit...Quote:
Originally Posted by koshea
To be fair, prohibiting weed hasn't been too effective either.Quote:
Originally Posted by koshea
I think it ought to be legalized, to a point. I'm just some stupid kid who likes to blaze and sit there making weird art, but even I have to agree that it should have age and usage restrictions. Granted, some people do just fine when they drive and smoke, but if you aren't allowed to have an open can of beer in your car (here in America that's a problem) you shouldn't have a roaring blunt either. Just as a general rule. Driving with cell phones is illegal in some places for the same reason: not everyone is bad about it, but you can't allow for those exceptions.
And there ought to be an age restriction. Just makes sense that you don't want twelve-year-olds smoking up at recess. It's just not good for them. Neither is drinking or smoking. And they wouldn't be old enough to make mature decisions about it.
Holland, being the progressive, magical fairyland that it is, has a good compromise. You're free to smoke in certain designated bars, and in your own home. Makes sense to me.
And finally, if it were ever legalized in the states (*snicker*), they ought to encourage use of vaporizers. Sucking smoke into your lungs is just not good for you, no matter if it's wacky tobacky or just regular tobacky.
But ultimately, pot won't be legal in the US. Hell, owning assault rifles will be legal before pot is. Oh, wait. Ha! Zing. Fuck you, Mr. President.
lol, i love smoking and im not bashing it, im saying that we cant deny the obvious truth, it causes lung problems end of story
because when they do drug tests at every cop stop like they r planning 2 do in nz and have already done in aussie...dunno where else, there wud b no-1 on the road and id b constantly in trouble with the wankers
I'm not sure if anyone else saw this but last week I was channel surfing and came accross a documentary style show talking about the history of MJ and how/why it became a regulated substance. According to the show durning the depression since there was a lack of jobs certain states (mostly west coast) lobbied the federal gov and to make MJ a controlled substance. The reason was not the worry of health reasons or anything like that, although they were trying to tell the general public that it was the cause for concern. The major reason was that it was know that mexicans smoked weed and to lessen the number of mexicans in the job pool these western states wanted MJ outlawed. Apperently there was opposition against this. Not only was weed popular during the probabition since it was the only way to get trashed, but it is a weed and no one was interested in trying regulate a weed. It would just be too hard. But with the pressures from the western states MJ was listed as a control substance at the same time as cocaine.
I was not sure about this story but checked to see what channel I was watching and saw it was the history channel. Gotta think there is some validity to this if it is on the history channel.
It boils down to smoking MJ is as dangerous as drinking the difference is that people just didn't want mexicans taking jobs from unemployed americans 80 years ago. Might be time to reveiw and update this antiquated law
i am so dissapointed to see people on a mj website wanting mj to stay illegal. if we don't stand up for ourselves who will?
mj was made illegal for many reasons.....too many for me to list here.
here is a link that tells the whole truth!!! from 1900!!!
People have been smoking marijuana for thousands of years, there have been no deaths attributed to it and if it caused any significant lung impairment you would think it would have been documented. Instead all the anti-marijuana propaganda claims that smoking marijuana may cause lung damage to the same if not worse extent than tobacco. If you read the links I posted on the subject you would see why this is not the case.
I believe one article I read about a marijuana/lung function study stated that marijuana smokers appeared to have 10-16% greater risk of developing lung infections such as pneumonia.
If you're a frequent or heavy smoker and you believe you have harmed your lungs or experience shortness of breath don't be so quick to attribute this soley to cannabis. Do you smoke tobacco products which would include blunt wrap, use soda cans as smoking devices, tin foil or plastics, have moderate-high exposure to second hand smoke, smoke low quality or uncured/otherwise harsh weed etc.
I have been smoking multiple times a day for the past six months or so, and still frequently about a year prior, I experience no pain in my lungs, am able to run without shortness of breath and have had no lung infections.
It should also be considered that legalization of cannabis means easy access to more potent bud and hash, this means a user would not be required to inhale much smoke to get high, less smoke means less potential for damage.
I've been a frequent smoker for years and years, and I haven't any noticable experienced lung impairment yet. However, I smoke good, clean weed from an acrylic bong with a steel screen. Sucking any kind of smoke into your lungs isn't good for you, but anybody knows that there's a big difference between pot and tobacco.
And there's also a big difference between passing out from the smoke of a huge house fire and inhaling a joint.
I'm not saying there's no lung damage at all, I'm just saying it's pretty insubstantial.
I'm still saving up for a vaporizer, though.
You thought cigarette taxes helped our economy. Marijuana would give us gold frikkin curbs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Legend
you have issues :DQuote:
Originally Posted by slipnslide087
There's many reasons after that post to put my fist in your face. :) Those are reasons if your a NAZI soccer Mom.Quote:
Originally Posted by koshea
Your an idiotQuote:
Originally Posted by PurplePotatoes
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Originally Posted by slipnslide087
so your saying so you can drive stoned ,we medical users should be jialed for using our one medicine that helps,without bad ass side effects?
think about it.
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Originally Posted by koshea
but ciggarettes dont change the way you see or function physicaly so they arent a danger to others
wtf
man they are the worst
where you learn that cigs dont hurt you?
thats just so silly.
weed makes you out of breath when running,? :eek:
then dont smoke,or dont run,but dont say weed is bad for everyone cuase you have lousy lung capacity
hell i smoke two packs a cigs a day and all the weed i feel like
and my lungs are in great shape,shocks the docs in fact
used to have spots on my lungs,layed off cigs some and stepped up the weed smoking and now i dont have spots,so.,
BULLSHIT to you
cigs are by far the most deadly thing legal next to booze,
The pyschoactive effects of the drug don't matter much. I think we can all agree that marijuana and even "hard" drugs don't impair you as much as alcohol.
Prohibition only has a modest impact on drug consumption, and most of this is just casual consumption...it does little to stop the would be drug abusers. Just as most people who use alcohol only do so casually, there are even a good number of heroin "users" who would not necassarily be classified as "addicts". This said, the people who are constatly on drugs probably wouldn't be too worried about driving under the influence anyways. The fact that the substance is illegal may even encourage the user to drive under its influence since they have already broken the law.
Go to a library or book store and find Drug War Crimes: The Consequences of Prohibition by Jeffrey Miron, it doesnt take long to read and explains the externalities caused by prohibition and how legalization would likely be better than decriminalization.