People with lack of manners and courtesy

This is a rant to people who lack basic courtesy and manners. I believe potheads in general are more well-manner than mainstream society.

What I describe is simple courtesy. I ride the subway, but this is applicable in all areas of life, driving, in a store, on a bus etc.

In general, there are people who are physically able to stand up that sit in a seat, and there's a pregnant woman or an elderly standing up. Conventional wisdom would be to offer you a seat. There are countless times, I seen this happen, and no one offered to give up their seat.

The trains are set-up in a way people tend to congregate by the doors because of the lack of room. It gets very crowded. At stops people want to get out. Conventional wisdom tells us, you should step out the train temporarily and let people out. It's amazing how many people are so selfish, they block people's way.

I'm sure all of us has story to tell of people who are rude, and selfish. So let it rain! Let's show everyone on the net that stoners are civilized, polite and upstanding citizens, that we are leading the cause to be the best human beings we can be.

I ride buses and subways. I will usually offer my seat to an elderly person, someone with a disability, or anyone who asks because they need to sit down. I do not consider pregnancy to be in the same category as disabled or elderly, so I don't normally offer my seat to pregnant women - but I would stand if I were asked.

One of the most annoying things in NYC is when people hold the trains' doors and keep them from closing. This causes the majority of instances when trains go out-of-service.

It can really depend..
If there are other seats around, you can be sure i'm not movin'. I work good 10 hour days at times and i'm fried when i hop on the subway to go home. I'll be damned if i'm standing for anyone until it's my stop. Usually though, at that time the subway is not really full of people and it's not so much of a problem.

What really gets me though are the people that put their bags on the 2nd seat beside them and don't let anyone else sit there.

Rush hour = 1 seat per person. Not 1 seat for you and 1 seat for your belongings.

Are you by chance in New York City where you were not born and raised?
Making eye contact with another New Yorker is grounds for a fight nevermind asking a New Yorker to move out of your way or give up their subway seat.
Me, I was born and raised in New York but left a long time ago and I am a gentleman in public believe it or not. Chivalry is not dead with me, I open doors for and step aside for and am always courteous with women. Men? They are men and do not care one way or the other. Only a women cares about stupid shit like that.

No I'm not in NYC, I'm from DC. NYC subway riders are way more polite from experience, and people that live in DC are apparently more "sophisticated." By their manners displayed, opposite would show.

And I don't deem having basic etiquette to be only gender-related. If a car is so stuffed, people are literally crushed against one another, someone has to move to let people through. It's not about asking. It's about showing basic courtesy.

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Originally Posted by thcbongman

No I'm not in NYC, I'm from DC. NYC subway riders are way more polite from experience, and people that live in DC are apparently more "sophisticated." By their manners displayed, opposite would show.

And I don't deem having basic etiquette to be only gender-related. If a car is so stuffed, people are literally crushed against one another, someone has to move to let people through. It's not about asking. It's about showing basic courtesy.

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It has been a long time since I rode the Metro but, I do remember it being crowded. I do not remember people being worse than New Yorkers though.
I live in L.A. and we have subways now a days too. Things get silly at rush hour here just like they do back East but it is nothing like riding a new York City subway. People, even people you would not expect to be are courteous {Kids} for the most part on the subways here.
People do get up for others to sit down here which kind of blows my mind because on the freeways above, no one gives an inch.
I hope your level of courtesy and patience stays on the top of your personality while you contend with DC public transportation and have a very nice day.

Exactly, it's ironic. The polite ones are generally the younger crowd. The people I see are being rude are generally from higher social statuses and older, which sometimes boils my blood, but I remind them gently you should show basic etiquette when people are coming off.

And thank you, you have a great day as well!

There's no need to get off the train to let people on or off. I agree people should offer seats on a bus to the elderly or pregnant or women with small kids if there are no more seats available. I'm not gonna give up my seat if there's another one they can sit in.

People wouldnt give me their seats on the metro and bus when I was on crutches. I dont know its because they dont know or they dont care. I would like to say that on the occasions where someone did give up their seat for me or for someone else when I was watching they were the type of people who you wouldnt think would do it. They were the young guys dressed in "urban wear", not the clean cut guys in business suits.

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Originally Posted by fasterspider

Making eye contact with another New Yorker is grounds for a fight nevermind asking a New Yorker to move out of your way or give up their subway seat.

Men? They are men and do not care one way or the other. Only a women cares about stupid shit like that.

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Originally Posted by fasterspider

People do get up for others to sit down here which kind of blows my mind because on the freeways above, no one gives an inch.
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No kidding. At least motorcycles only need half an inch.

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Originally Posted by Reefer Rogue

There's no need to get off the train to let people on or off. I agree people should offer seats on a bus to the elderly or pregnant or women with small kids if there are no more seats available. I'm not gonna give up my seat if there's another one they can sit in.

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so when the trains so packed people are in front of the doors, you are one of them, you just stand there? whilst someone struggles to squeeze through the millimetre gap between you and the person next to you..?

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Originally Posted by napolitana869

People wouldnt give me their seats on the metro and bus when I was on crutches. I dont know its because they dont know or they dont care. I would like to say that on the occasions where someone did give up their seat for me or for someone else when I was watching they were the type of people who you wouldnt think would do it. They were the young guys dressed in "urban wear", not the clean cut guys in business suits.

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lol i hear ya..
I was just raised to respect my elders, women, and the unfortunate. It's in my code. lol.. i do it sometimes so naturally and almost as if it's the "right" and -only- thing to do. and half the time, the people(women, elders and unfortunate) don't appreciate it or even say "thank you".

lol wether they say it or not, I always say "you're welcome".

I notice that kind of stuff too. people judge others too fast..

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Originally Posted by napolitana869

I would like to say that on the occasions where someone did give up their seat for me or for someone else when I was watching they were the type of people who you wouldnt think would do it. They were the young guys dressed in "urban wear", not the clean cut guys in business suits.

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Thats inspiring to read! It shows me progress, and that just maybe, morale in humanity is a renewable resource:D

Personally Im disgusted with not only our government, but the people who criticize it with no effort or positive input. The US has managed to revive slavery with no real opposition. How fucking twisted are the companies that profited $15 BILLION in the 3 month period after one of the most devastating events in our countries history? THEY LIED! And used our fear aginst us, and then some of the people who LIVED through this catastrophy were sent to the closest thing to "hell on earth" (middle east) to be killed! Thanks Uncle Sam! I guess I never realized how much you really care about ME!....and here I am thinking it's all about the benjamins!;)

Shit :stoned:POSTPOST!sorry

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Originally Posted by 4twentE

At least motorcycles only need half an inch.

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And that is how I get around, on an old Honda inline 6 cylinder motorcycle.

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Originally Posted by thcbongman

This is a rant to people who lack basic courtesy and manners. I believe potheads in general are more well-manner than mainstream society.

What I describe is simple courtesy. I ride the subway, but this is applicable in all areas of life, driving, in a store, on a bus etc.

In general, there are people who are physically able to stand up that sit in a seat, and there's a pregnant woman or an elderly standing up. Conventional wisdom would be to offer you a seat. There are countless times, I seen this happen, and no one offered to give up their seat.

The trains are set-up in a way people tend to congregate by the doors because of the lack of room. It gets very crowded. At stops people want to get out. Conventional wisdom tells us, you should step out the train temporarily and let people out. It's amazing how many people are so selfish, they block people's way.

I'm sure all of us has story to tell of people who are rude, and selfish. So let it rain! Let's show everyone on the net that stoners are civilized, polite and upstanding citizens, that we are leading the cause to be the best human beings we can be.

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I understand your concern, but the world just doesn't work that way currently. I would give up a seat out of sheer compassion to someone who needed it, but people should not EXPECT a seat given to them even if they are pregnant or elderly.

Dude, I can't even walk my streets at night because of the fucking crackheads that roam and when you drive, you are taking a risk because of all the god damn stupid drivers. Yesterday, people we're just going through a fucking red light at this one corner! Umm, the light is fucking red. That means stop!!

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Originally Posted by Anubis10012007

people should not EXPECT a seat given to them even if they are pregnant or elderly.

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agreed. you won't catch me fussing for a specific seat because im "old". i have much more respect for myself than that.

i still do it for them though. a seat on a bus is worthless to me.

I'm relatively courteous in public. I have a 'public-eye,' so to speak and very public conscious. When I'm out and about, I tend to be conscious of someone's path, someone nearing a door, etc. I'll either get out their way before it hinders their movement, if I didn't they would probably walk into me lol. Sometimes that act seems a little trivial but when I look around and observe everyone who is too proud to get the hell out of the way or just oblivious, I mind less about being kind. It's in me to be that way. It's how I was raised. Call me a super-hero for being having a public conscious & conscience.

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Originally Posted by Ganj

I'm relatively courteous in public. I have a 'public-eye,' so to speak and very public conscious. When I'm out and about, I tend to be conscious of someone's path, someone nearing a door, etc. I'll either get out their way before it hinders their movement, if I didn't they would probably walk into me lol. Sometimes that act seems a little trivial but when I look around and observe everyone who is too proud to get the hell out of the way or just oblivious, I mind less about being kind. It's in me to be that way. It's how I was raised. Call me a super-hero for being having a public conscious & conscience.

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exactly. i agree 100%. and no, you aren't a super-hero.. you were raised right and are not self-centered. unlike most people.

I think the real problem is that you all live in the city, and large ones at that... move away from the city, the farther you go the nicer people get, no lie.

lol i didnt say anything about craziness. just nicer...

I love doing nice things for people. I know how great it feels even when someone just holds the door open for you or puts a hand on your shoulder to show they care, and I love to give other people that feeling. It feels nice to do nice things for nice people. And trust me, what goes around comes around. I'm continually surprised by the nice things some people do for me out of the blue.

A lot of the people who think that I'm now a "sketchy guy" because I toke are some of the rudest people I know. Psst - don't tell them, but I'm not always baked when they think I am, and I'm not always sober when they think I am. Ganja doesn't really have a short-term effect on my personality. I guess that's another nice thing that I do - I give self-centered people who are insecure about their drinking problems a place to point the finger.

pablo is right, the farther you get from a city, the nicer peole are.

my good deeds are usually auto related, i'll stop if someone is busted down, and i've enver passed up a hitch-hiker

lol me too- I met one of my best friends when I stopped to see why she was standing by the side of the road next to her street bike looking irritated (turned out to be son-related, but still), and recently stopped on I-395 just in time to keep some poor dude from jumping HIS bike off his girlfriend's 12v car battery. Luckily I had the Ninja out that day, the car guy had jumper cables, everyone went home happy. Honestly the guy looked really surprised too- this was in Boston, where drivers pretty much expect everyone else on the road to be a total prick.

i picked up hitchker after a skynryd concert a few years ago. this guy was so thankful that i picked him up, he kept telling me and my buddy that 'you just dont find people like you two anymore.' he told us we were good people a few times, and then when we dropped him off at a bar, he invited us in and bought us a beer.

gratitude is a nice thing!

Gratitude is a nice thing! And you remind me, H4H, of the gentleman who, when I was 9 months pregnant one very hot late-spring afternoon and had a tire-blowout on one of the biggest freeways in Dallas, stopped and helped me get my car safely off the road, then gave me a ride to where my husband was. He could have so easily driven right past me like so many hundreds of others did, but he took the time to stop. I thanked him profusely then and later sent him a thank you card and gift certificate when I was able to track him down. I will forever be grateful that he took the time to help me. I will also be forever grateful that he wasn't an axe murderer or predator. I have never been able to pass up people with disabled cars since that time, which is my way of passing it forward.

I was on my way to Miami on 95 south, after pulling out of a rest area, I saw a car roll atleast 6 times to this day I dont know if it was a van or suv but IT WAS FUCKED!
Anyway, the point of my story is that had I not stopped, its very likely both passengers would not have made it. It took me atleast 30 minutes and about 30 passing cars, to FINALLY get someone to stop. Now keep in mind, each of those cars was well aware of an accident as they literaly drove over the peoples belongings which were scattered throughout the street. Regardless how good it felt to be the "hero", the helpless abandoned feeling that I felt that night will never be forgotten.

ps: it was 2 am and my cell didnt have service!

i live in chicago, and i commute mostly by public transit and bicycle to school/work. i work at the frontend of a drug store. i have looooads of lack-of-common-decency horror stories. :P

the original post filled me with rage because i've experienced the same scenarios, pretty much every day during the school year. you'd think people who take public transportation every day would learn how to fucking ride it and make room for other patrons.

OK, this is what I find annoying and a lack of manners and common sense. I hate it when you're on an elevator and when the doors open, especially in the lobby, you try to get off but people want to try to get in before you get out. Why not let the people in the tiny little elevator clear out into the big space like the lobby and give the new people plenty of room. Instead they want to try to contort themselves by you and the doors or just cause a massive jam up anyway.

Id probably offer my seat to ANY woman standing on a sub or bus....maybe disabled, elderly, and definately pregnant men!

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Originally Posted by fasterspider

And that is how I get around, on an old Honda inline 6 cylinder motorcycle.

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isn't that a fairly MASSIVE engine for a bike?

and, to the title of this thread, i HATE when people are like rude to people who work in restraunts. why be rude to them? they're doing a pretty hard job, and they're only human, so of course they're gonna mess up an order every now and then. they're just trying to make money to live, and maybe even support a family at home. just suck it up and be nice to them. i definately don't plan on working in a restraunt though, just because of that. unless i end up having to, because i cant get a job anywhere else....

i also hate it when people hurt pets or animals. even if the animal is doing something wrong, or being annoying or ruining something, its still a living thing, and didnt know any better. it really bugs me what some people do to animals.... i just thought of that because the other day i was skating around, and some guy's dog ran up to say hello to me, and he called it back and kicked it.... all the dog did was run out to say hi to me... i ended up calling the humane society on him =D

i also think eating them is wrong, but theres not much i can do about other people eating them.

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Originally Posted by thcbongman

The polite ones are generally the younger crowd. The people I see are being rude are generally from higher social statuses and older,

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I notice that also. It's almost like they think " I've got more money and status than you, so of course I'm more important!"

I find it very rude and condescending:mad: It does give me hope for the younger generation though. I find myself thanking them for their courtesy. And they thank me back.

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Originally Posted by azure

so when the trains so packed people are in front of the doors, you are one of them, you just stand there? whilst someone struggles to squeeze through the millimetre gap between you and the person next to you..?

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I don't get in people's way, it's very rare that you'd have to get off the train to let someone off. People know to let other people through if they're getting off, it's obvious. Furthermore, trains are too expensive in London therefore i don't ride them. If i had a free oyster i would but i ride the buses instead. Is anyone really more entitled to a public seat then another? Based on what? Age? Gender? Understanding everyone payed the same price to get on the service, it is unrealistic to expect to have a seat every time, regardless of who you are, whether rich or poor. People who expect seats should also expect not to get seats sometimes. As is life.

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Originally Posted by Reefer Rogue

I don't get in people's way, it's very rare that you'd have to get off the train to let someone off. People know to let other people through if they're getting off, it's obvious. Furthermore, trains are too expensive in London therefore i don't ride them. If i had a free oyster i would but i ride the buses instead. Is anyone really more entitled to a public seat then another? Based on what? Age? Gender? Understanding everyone payed the same price to get on the service, it is unrealistic to expect to have a seat every time, regardless of who you are, whether rich or poor. People who expect seats should also expect not to get seats sometimes. As is life.

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conversely, people who expect seats should not be forced to stand because another patron is taking up two seats with their belongings. i paid for my ride; her bookbag did not.

i don't mind when a bus or train is crowded and i have to stand, i expect that. i don't expect anyone to offer me their seat, because i'm a healthy teenager.

that's the thing, while there is no RULE that says you have to give up your seat for pregnant, elderly, or disabled people (or anyone else), it's what this whole thread is about: common courtesy. while certainly not a rule, is it so wrong to expect to be treated decently by others when you yourself are consistently courteous and polite?

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Originally Posted by rocktheganj

isn't that a fairly MASSIVE engine for a bike?

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Kind of massive, yes. But cooler than the Fonz.
Compare the two pictures and see which is cooler in practicle application?

They are not forced because they chose to pay for a ticket, therefore taking a chance as to whether or not there is an available seat, there is no guarentee. I never supported people that take up space with inanimate objects, so why bring that up?
I agree with that. The point about there being no rule is that there is no ultimate necessity to do it, people do not fear a lawful punishment, only a scowering look or thought from other people. If they do not care about other people then they won't offer a seat. People without that kind of courtesy lack compassion. if there were rule, perhaps more people would offer their seats because based on this thread it seems not enough people feel obliged and looks can be decieving, don't judge a book by it's cover. The business man and the gangbanger are both different, one could offer their seat and the other couldn't or both could, or could not. Is it wrong to expect ot be treated courteously? No. Who defines right and wrong anyway. Is it optimistic? Yes. This society isn't the way it once was, does that mean it's better or worse? It all falls on you and your perception. I shall leave you with these words from Immanuel Kant:

'I should act, so that i can will my maxim to be a universal law.'

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Originally Posted by vingt.trois

conversely, people who expect seats should not be forced to stand because another patron is taking up two seats with their belongings. i paid for my ride; her bookbag did not.

i don't mind when a bus or train is crowded and i have to stand, i expect that. i don't expect anyone to offer me their seat, because i'm a healthy teenager.

that's the thing, while there is no RULE that says you have to give up your seat for pregnant, elderly, or disabled people (or anyone else), it's what this whole thread is about: common courtesy. while certainly not a rule, is it so wrong to expect to be treated decently by others when you yourself are consistently courteous and polite?

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Kinda funny how the most courteous people are the ones you wouldn't expect; younger people, country people, and poor people. Young kids used to be punks, or at least considered so by elders. I could see why in a lot of cases. But younger folks are definitely learning manners better these days. You definitely find the most polite people in small country towns. And it just seems like money makes you an asshole.

well this is the south, and i am an attention whore, so i am constantly openning doors, carrying heavy objects for the weak,ect
went to school to be a mechanic, and me and my buddies used to have a contest who could help more stranded people... i think in the two years time i probably helped about 30-40 people! i mean, from "my headlights don't work", to people stuck in a ditch... got offered money, beer, and sex (gross woman)

i think the coolest one, was this chick had a lebaron, (as did i at the time) and she was stuck in the ghetto, cuz her lights wouldn't work (nighttime)... i had just come from... uh a buisness meeting :pimp:... she described the problem, so i walked to the front of her car, and hit the hood like fonsey, and POOF, lights on.... lol (loose ground in the lights, very common for those, lol)

let's see... about 5 years ago the area flooded really really bad, so i spent a weekend driving around (in my BIG TRUCK, i drive because of my small penis) pullin people out, and helping them get stuff and animals out... that was really cool, i got on the news... i think i got laid about 5 times just cuz of that...

i volunteered for about 1 week after katrina hit.... then came rita -_-

Friendly people are suspicious... I'm just used to this place, like I'll be nice and give up the seat to a elderly person like some said, and I'll gladly give my seat to either a pregnant woman or a woman with a kid... but don't look at me funny, curse words and the worse words are the first out of my mouth ;) But really I am a nice person until someone starts to act like they know me :jointsmile: