Urgent . . . Infrared chopper problem!!!!!!

so me and my family have about 99 acres on the other side about of our land me and my cuz have about 8 plants in our garden and behind my house one 5 ftr and about 3 ft wide. in the middle of our property a dirt road we own runs through it and he lives up around the corner. they went up the road by his house and circled back around over the swamp behind my house where my my 5ft momma lives and flew rite above the trees about 30 yards from her. should i be worried will they bust for suck little amount? i know im just being a sketch but every grower would... lol... so please any honest oppinions would be nice... thanx guys.

i dont know man, i hear choppers alll the time, but no bother, i got a recomendation...
but no i have 6 out in broad daylight and never had probs

well the infred choppers out here are lit up and you cean see the infred light coming off from time to time and it was rite by mine pointing the camera in the direction of my plnt

the reason they do that is because pot glows a different heat wave, they're looking for pot plants with that thing and i would immediatly move them if ur serious

IMO, you can never be too careful! Plus, this is you and your families land, not gov. or commercial property, so IF you get busted there is little chance that you could "play dumb"; worst case senerio the gov. could seize your land. If it were growing on nuteral property I would say just be aware when you go check on them, but being that they are on your land I recomend being extra causious.

its only one plant. but there is a dealer that we rent out a trailer and land to and hes the biggest dealer around here for miles but i guess out here they only bust for huge fields. the cops out here said they only usualy bust people who have moor than what they need for themselfs. keep the posts guys your helping me cool some thanks

quick run here comes one now!!!:D only kidding,yeah we have them going over day and night, fucks me right off! last year i was doing an indoor grow and i used to shit every time i heard a chopper i even turned my lights off a couple of times.i think you only need worry if you have a whole field full of em.i know if the cops see mine(2 ladies in the veg patch!)they would just take em away and give me a caution,things are probs a bit diff in the states.good luck anyway and keep your eyes peeled!:thumbsup:

I was under the impression that they needed a warrant to even use infrared scanners on anyones house, whether it's an airborne sweep or a patrol car. Correct me if I'm wrong.

no because the air is no ones property. and any air opperated vehicle cean go anywhere besides air port space. but if they have weed on infired they cean get a warrant quicker than shit and thats already probable cause my friend but thanks for the post. but yeah im not as worried cuz around here its like the crop has to be worth at about 100 g's. but hey the topic seems to be getting every bodys attention lol.

Sounds harsh man - do you hear of busts near you?
Is there another reason for the cops to be near your place (I guess i mean is it unusual???)
If anyone from uk is reading this have they had probs like this?

there looking for heat not outdoor plants. you only have 8 plants the chopper is 800$ an hour to fly. I doubt they would even bother.

if it was a chopper specifically looking for outdoor plants you may get paid a visit in the near future if they did spot your plants its not uncommon for them to atleast destroy the plants even if its just a few plants.

well idk i aint worried. its not even enough around here to bust for. iwas just sketchin in the mean time. but yeah i think they have these all around the worl where growing is illegal

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Originally Posted by WildFire.ca

there looking for heat not outdoor plants. you only have 8 plants the chopper is 800$ an hour to fly. I doubt they would even bother.

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Way good to know, what a relief.

Yea don't worry about it dude you only have a few plants not worth there time, even if they did see you. They have to justify there costs in a bust just like any business.

If they come to your door, you can always say you don't know about it. Ask them, does weed grow from seeds?
Then tell them that it's possible that your visitors dropped seeds while smoking?

I don't EVER say to lie. This is my only exception, to avoid prison. I lie to them cause they shouldn't be judging me for growing a plant.

Don't get paranoid if they knock on your door Sunday morning. Remember, the feds don't work on Sundays, but Jehovah Witness' do. ;)

dude u say a chopper didnt just fly by your plants but circled stoped and hovered 30 yards from them with a direct view. You had better hope they didn't already snap some shoots with a camera. get rid of the plants NOW! how muh more obvious can it be? by the way $800 can be paid for the chopper out of your $8000 bond or maby the insane court fees for a feloney conviction. I'm not trying to scare you but make a point if u get caught after you get out the pen you will be taking drug tests for the next year or 2.

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Originally Posted by turborunner03t

dude u say a chopper didnt just fly by your plants but circled stoped and hovered 30 yards from them with a direct view. You had better hope they didn't already snap some shoots with a camera. get rid of the plants NOW! how muh more obvious can it be? by the way $800 can be paid for the chopper out of your $8000 bond or maby the insane court fees for a feloney conviction. I'm not trying to scare you but make a point if u get caught after you get out the pen you will be taking drug tests for the next year or 2.

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You sound like a cop that cant fix the weed problem, so you use fear. I am not saying you are a cop but you must have listened to them on the tv.(the cheapest way to scare peeps) Fear is created though lack of knowledge. What I am saying is that you know nobody that you are basing this on. You are stating an option based on your fears alone. A 8000$ bond is returned, not spent. Leave the growing to the people that are not afraid to grow it for you.

i cant quote now, but someone has posted that yes you need a warrant to do this, and it is too expensive to do for the little man(its not really used anymore) i too believe that it is a fear tactic more than being a way to get any type of busts. let the people believe we can do anything we want and they will be scared of us. keep a small garden and dont worry about it or talk about it. on the other hand if you have a known dealer living on your property they sure could be watching him/her. you could always plead ignorance, but...

The Infa-Red cameras detect heat and thats it really. - Unless you have Several 400w Lights and Generators running giving of lots of heat, you really should be ok.

However if your still a bit paranoid, There is one thing Infa-Red cant see through.. Lead!
My friends has a cupboard that is caked in Lead roof tiles. Something like this would be ideal.

As far as the law go's over here in the UK, the police can do whatever the fuck they want with there thermal imaging shit. They don't need a warrant, just air permission.

The police over here can pull you for anything tho, i mean anything.
They can pull you for smoking in enclosed public spaces, spitting or even dropping a ciggy butt.

I have been nicked before, the police were rather nice too me, but then during an interview things got ugly, I swore at them an awful lot! They then gave me a Section 8 (Correct me if its not a section 8) Public Offense Order... For VERBAL ASSAULT!

Yeah thats right £80 that i dont have, just so i can swear.
Well fucking worth it, Its not taught me a fucking thing. ;)


Peace

they don't shine an 'infra-red' lamp at anything ... they use infra-red camera film, (which shows cannabis plants up as almost white on the finished photo) ... :smokin:

think this thread is really getting off track this is outdoors not indoors while im sure the original poster saw a helicopter flying low around his plants what the helicopter was using in the form of cameras if any is really just about anyones guess.
and no they wouldnt need a search warrant to look for outdoor plants and they would not even need one to go onto his property and erradicate the plants or attempt to gather more evidence for a conviction.

I don't think they even use this much at all. I'm sure it exists, but to me it's just a scare tactic. They try to convey the idea of it being widely used to bust people, but I have yet to hear of such an event. Of course, I could be wrong.

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Originally Posted by bejay

think this thread is really getting off track this is outdoors not indoors while im sure the original poster saw a helicopter flying low around his plants what the helicopter was using in the form of cameras if any is really just about anyones guess.
and no they wouldnt need a search warrant to look for outdoor plants and they would not even need one to go onto his property and erradicate the plants or attempt to gather more evidence for a conviction.

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WOW you don't need a warrant to enter your house in the USA for weed that sucks man. Why do you guys let the government do that? Did you vote for this?

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Originally Posted by WildFire.ca

WOW you don't need a warrant to enter your house in the USA for weed that sucks man. Why do you guys let the government do that? Did you vote for this?

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don't know what you read, but nowhere did he say no warrant is needed for an indoor search :smokin:

They can only search your yard with no warrant?

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Originally Posted by WildFire.ca

They can only search your yard with no warrant?

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It's called a plain sight search. They can't go into your tool shed or your garage. But if they're flying over they can look to their hearts content at anything in plain sight.

""However if your still a bit paranoid, There is one thing Infa-Red cant see through.. Lead!"" -the_camel" Thermographic cameras, sometimes called a FLIR (Forward Looking InfraRed) don't "see through" anything, they read the infrared radiation from the object. Generally speaking, the higher an object's temperature is, the more infrared radiation it emits. The exception is highly reflective materials, they are harder to read and give false readings. Please do research before you post, bad info like that could get someone in trouble.

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However if your still a bit paranoid, There is one thing Infa-Red cant see through.. Lead!
My friends has a cupboard that is caked in Lead roof tiles. Something like this would be ideal.

Peace

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Horsey Puckey DooDoo...

Infra red imagery don't ever See through anything.. They See the heat from stuff on the inside by seeing the heat signature it produces on the outside and if you have a 1000w bulb in a room with a lead roof the lead will get hot.. and the hot lead will hold the heat for a pretty long time after the source is turned off.

The only way to defeat infra red is to insulate enough that the heat does not reach the outside surface and theres several ways to do that. Air space between outside surface and inside walls with outside air blown through the airspace and the heat dumped into large underground drainage tubes is the best..

As for choppers spotting plants , they see the heat difference for the area due to cultivation and density of plants. The plant growing wild has no difference in heat signature than any other equal size weed . But when you add High Nute soil, Regular water and a bunch of cared for plants they stick out like a sore thumb in infrared.

But a plant here and there scattered in the area and no overly visited and maintained are as invisible to infrared as a milkweed.

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Horsey Puckey DooDoo...

Infra red imagery don't ever See through anything.. They See the heat from stuff on the inside by seeing the heat signature it produces on the outside and if you have a 1000w bulb in a room with a lead roof the lead will get hot.. and the hot lead will hold the heat for a pretty long time after the source is turned off.

The only way to defeat infra red is to insulate enough that the heat does not reach the outside surface and theres several ways to do that. Air space between outside surface and inside walls with outside air blown through the airspace and the heat dumped into large underground drainage tubes is the best..

As for choppers spotting plants , they see the heat difference for the area due to cultivation and density of plants. The plant growing wild has no difference in heat signature than any other equal size weed . But when you add High Nute soil, Regular water and a bunch of cared for plants they stick out like a sore thumb in infrared.

But a plant here and there scattered in the area and no overly visited and maintained are as invisible to infrared as a milkweed.

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actually, the heat signature of cannabis IS different ... I have personally seen quite a few infra-red photographs of the surrounding hills, and the cannabis plants stand out as 'white' while bushes right next to them, are dark, almost black ... (friend is a 'good' Sheriff's Deputy) ... you are quite accurate with the rest of it, though ... your 'fertilizer effect' may be right, never heard that theory before ... :smokin:

I think since your in Maine(if your in Maine), You really have little to worry about. I have many friends living in Maine. I spoke to a few and they said that Maine is next to Cali. as far as weed. they said that for 2-4 Plants outdoors, it might not even be worth there time. they said that there only looking for "more than personal". they also said that worst case they could think of would be them coming to tear them up.
I never grew in Maine so I never assessed the risks but my peeps do grow and they didn't sound as if this was really an issue. They were saying that they may have noticed one and been searching for the cashcropper stash. ;)
Good luck with this. I'll be hoping for ya.

All I can say is that I have flown with our deputy sheriff ( not in a helo but a piper cub they use around here ) My uncle is the Dep here and have seen cultivated plants show up well but have also seen the scan of a big pasture and seen nothing and I know for a fact it had quite a few hemp plants scattered about.. So I can only go by that and the understanding the IR is IR is IR and it only sees a heat bloom.. The bloom from a torch and a lighter is the same IR freq just one is hotter and radiates more heat. which shows up whiter .. So the plants you saw are Hotter than the surrounding area. Logic tells me its due to external sources increasing the temp of the plants you saw. Cause Plants are Cold Blooded so to speak and there would have to be a mechanism to cause a mass heat increase in a target plant.. Now if they used UV reflectivity they would be popin single plants all over the place.. Cause each living organism is UV reflective in different ranges of the UV spectrum because its such a short wave length small variables can be easily detected. Since IR wave lengths are so long the range we can detect is much narrower and we (at this time ) only detect intensity not freq range.. IMHO

makes sense, maybe it is the ferts, etc., that make them stand out ... pretty distinct difference, I remember that ... :smokin:

tilled soil will show up as hot(from what i have read) especially when worked over and ammendments have been made. i dont know if it is movie lore, and it might be. that if you can find a fresh field and lay in it they couldnt see your heat outline. a few scattered plants shouldnt show up. i think it was a vietnam movie i watched now that i think about it.
and yes police still need warrants but if the have probable cause such as seeing a pipe or drugs or weapons, something along that line they have a right to search without a warrant. no we didnt vote on that congress or some other higher power made that decission.

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no we didnt vote on that congress or some other higher power made that decission.

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Actually we did vote for it. That is if you voted... As we voted for the guy that appointed the guy that hired the gal that typed the Bill the passed it to the guy some else voted for that passed it to the big guy that we voted for.

So yup.. Its our fault , we receive exactly what ask for... Thats what you get with Democracy , Majority Rule and Pot heads ain't their yet.