OG Kush... The purple pheno...

So I found a guy that has rooted clones of this for about $100.00. Im not able to get them any where else, so the price is fine with me. What im wondering is has any one grown out OG Kush before? And if possible, does any one know about the purple phenotype? What can i expect, estimated harvest, tips, tricks, ect. Any info on this strain is going to help alot. I will be going to pick it up next weekend. The plan is to make a mother out of the clone, and clone from it to move into DWC buckets. I plan on growing the mother in soil, and the clone DWC style. Thanks!

I don't have any experience with OG Kush, but since it's clone only I'm wondering how it would have a purple phenotype, since it's a clone, which would mean it would have the exact same phenotype as the original, but whatever it is, it sounds interesting but a little pricey. Your plan sounds good though as far as making a mother out of it.

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Originally Posted by horror business

I'm wondering how it would have a purple phenotype, since it's a clone.

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I dont understand your question. All plants have three phenotypes. One that mostly resembles the mother, one that mostly resembles the father, and one that is a mix of the two. If one of the three phenotypes has the purple characteristic in it, and you clone from it, the clones will poses the same traits as the mother it was cloned off of. In fact in order to get a phenotype that has the traits your looking for, its easiest to get a clone that some one has already identified as the desired traits.Rather than growing from seed, inbreeding, looking for different phenos, and then test them out to see if they posses the trait you were looking for. Hope this makes sense.

I don't understand your logic. The original OG Kush is a clone only strain. They all have the same phenotype.

ahhhhhh, I get what you meant now.

The clone was taken off of a mother that is a purple pheno. Sorry if it sounded like I was saying the clone was a purple pheno, and the mother was not. :) The mother was a clone that the guy got a few yrs back, it is a purple phenotype for sure!!! I did not know that OG kush is a clone only strain. I guess commercially it is, but there are still people out there with OG kush seeds. Im thinking that they got a clone, and cubed it with something else, and looked for the purple pheno. So with that being said, this might not be a 100% original OG kush. hmmmmm.

Either way, if you know it's good, go for it. It sounds good, but like you said it's probably not the original OG Kush, but like I said, it sounds really good, just a little pricey.

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Originally Posted by Megatron

All plants have three phenotypes. One that mostly resembles the mother, one that mostly resembles the father, and one that is a mix of the two

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looks like somebody flunked genetics 101 ;)

he's not that far off, there is some truth to what he says. the difference is if it was a stable strain or not. if it wasnt stable or it was crossbreed you can expect to get several phenos.

The OG Kush are all asexually propagated daughters of the same mother- the same individual plant.
There are no seeds and no phenos.
There's no purple version- it's a delicate pale almost pink color.
There ARE three lines, though- over time, cuts that made it to different region started to show subtle, yet noticeable, mutations.
Eventually these cuts were named: SFV (San Fernando Valley), Ghost, and Abusive.
I run the abusive. It's the lankiest of the three.

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Originally Posted by onequickmove

looks like somebody flunked genetics 101 ;)

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Question.... If I were to stress a clone of the OG Kush, causing is to go hermaphrodite, couldn't I pollinate another one of the OGK clones? Then wouldn't I have seeds of OG Kush? The only down side that I see would resemble the down side of feminized seeds. Since it would not poses the male chromosome. Please correct me if im wrong, I dont mind, it just helps me learn. Also I was wondering if my statement was incorrect. I was under the impression that all plants have three pheno types, like i stated...Is this incorrect?

Not all plants have 3 identifiable phenos.
Only F1 hybrids of unrelated strains will really distinctly show that.
If you force-hermed an OG, you'd get a feminized OG Kush F2.
Yes, you could then backcross and backcross to your heart's content using fem pollen but this is NOT something I'd recommend as I believe that over time you would end up wiht a weaker set of genetics.
Your better bet by FAR would be to research the ORIGIN of the OGKush and try to find its nearest relative that is available in seed form, and use that as a source of male pollen for your first generation, take the resultant male offspring with the STRONGEST OGKush traits from each subsequent generation, and use them to backcross repeatedly to your original OGKush clone.
Eventually you will get a generation that is 99% pure. This is a pain in the fucking ASS since you can't gauge flower traits in a male.

Guess where the '99' in C99 came from? :D She's a Princess offspring stabilized over MANY backcrossed generations. I'm not sure exactly what the method was but it sho' took a while, lol.

Oh- and onequickmove, be nice- Megatron has got this mostly figured out, we're here to clarify the fine points to each other. If you aren't going to help that process, hush....

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Originally Posted by stinkyattic

Not all plants have 3 identifiable phenos.
Only F1 hybrids of unrelated strains will really distinctly show that.
If you force-hermed an OG, you'd get a feminized OG Kush F2.
Yes, you could then backcross and backcross to your heart's content using fem pollen but this is NOT something I'd recommend as I believe that over time you would end up wiht a weaker set of genetics.
Your better bet by FAR would be to research the ORIGIN of the OGKush and try to find its nearest relative that is available in seed form, and use that as a source of male pollen for your first generation, take the resultant male offspring with the STRONGEST OGKush traits from each subsequent generation, and use them to backcross repeatedly to your original OGKush clone.
Eventually you will get a generation that is 99% pure. This is a pain in the fucking ASS since you can't gauge flower traits in a male.

Guess where the '99' in C99 came from? :D She's a Princess offspring stabilized over MANY backcrossed generations. I'm not sure exactly what the method was but it sho' took a while, lol.

Oh- and onequickmove, be nice- Megatron has got this mostly figured out, we're here to clarify the fine points to each other. If you aren't going to help that process, hush....

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Thanks, I see what your saying. So a hybrid with two very different parents will be easier to spot the different phenos than say a IBL that is on god knows what F stage in its life. That makes sense! SO my best bet would be to cross it with a good kush strain to try and keep the genetics as pure as possible. Thanks for the advice. I have some Ninja Kush seeds that, in the future, i will sprout and maybe trya cros or two with them. Well I guess Im going to use this new info on this strain and try and get the grower to give me any more info regarding the original genetics of this clone. If he knows at all. But my best guess would be that it is a og kush clone that got crossed with a purple strain. :) All I do know about the strain, besides it being purple, is that its average harvest is 4 oz per plant dry weight. Has a mid to high oder level during flowering, and is very indica looking in structure. Very potent strain, but no clue on the taste yet, i have not had a chance to try the finished product. Ill keep you informed.

Hey stinky... What do you consider a TRUE F1. I have been think about it alot and its kind of hard to put my finger on what is true F1. I mean if you cross to plants that are of the same family, IBL, then the plant is homozygous right? Its when you take that IBL and cross it with another plant that is different family that the offspring will be heterozygous. (is this correct?) Thus making it a F1 hybrid. So if you take a F1 and cross it with another F1 hybrid, do you get another F1. i.e: somaG13 x 4way = ? Is this a F1 hybrid that would be recognized like this. somaG13/4way? or would it be a F2 since the strains were both F1s and already heterozygous? I thought that to be a true F1 hybrid that you would have to cross two IBLs, or homozygous strains. And can a F1 that is now heterozygous ever be inbred enough to be considered a homozygous IBL again? I was told by some one that NL was a F1 but has since been inbred so many times that it is a stable breeding strain. Am I even on the right track here, or am i way off. thanks!

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Originally Posted by Megatron

I mean if you cross to plants that are of the same family, IBL, then the plant is homozygous right?
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Yes, crossing 2 plants of the same IBL (ex: Island Sweet SKunk, Federation seeds), you get offspring of the same IBL, and they are identical. The genes are all sorted out in a consistent way.

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Originally Posted by Megatron

Its when you take that IBL and cross it with another plant that is different family that the offspring will be heterozygous. (is this correct?) Thus making it a F1 hybrid. !

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Right. And these offspring do not even show a lot of variation amongst themselves because of the way the dominant genes are consistent.

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Originally Posted by Megatron

So if you take a F1 and cross it with another F1 hybrid, do you get another F1. i.e: somaG13 x 4way = ? Is this a F1 hybrid that would be recognized like this. somaG13/4way? or would it be a F2 since the strains were both F1s and already heterozygous?!

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You get what is usually referred to as a 'multiple hybrid'. I'm not sure if there is a different technical term for that.

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Originally Posted by Megatron

I thought that to be a true F1 hybrid that you would have to cross two IBLs, or homozygous strains. !

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Hm, I'm not sure how strict that is. Two different reasonably stable lines would produce something you could reasonably call an F1... :D

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Originally Posted by Megatron

And can a F1 that is now heterozygous ever be inbred enough to be considered a homozygous IBL again?!

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Sure! You just have to work with it and each successive generation just remove all plants showing traits that you don't want. That's the primitive way of breeding. It's more precise to actually identify the genotype of each parent through test crosses, and to do this, you want to find plants that carry homozygous recessive traits. It's really complicated though... the Greg Green breeder's Bible is a GREAT resource for this stuff.

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Originally Posted by Megatron

I was told by some one that NL was a F1 but has since been inbred so many times that it is a stable breeding strain.!

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So it would therefore be considered a stabilized hybrid, and even and IBL.

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Originally Posted by Megatron

Am I even on the right track here, or am i way off. thanks!

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Naw you're on target. Word.

Awesome!!! Thanks for that! SO yeah, thats what I thought to. If the two f1s are different enough then you could cross them and reasonably call them a F1. But not if there almost the same. i.e: NL from dutch passion crossed with NL from sensi seeds would only give you a F2 of NL. I like the fact that you can take some ones incredible F1 and inbreed it to a stable IBL that is good for breeding. I agree this would be very time consuming, but that how all the greats came to be. I want my name to live on for ever through a strain that gets recognized by the world. Maybe a cannabis cup contender. :) Sky is the limit if you know that i mean. Thanks again, laterz..

We will call it MEGATRON and it shall stand like a monument to your madd skillz. :D

If the 2 F1s are different you still have a multiple-hybrid.
2 different SOURCES of a stabilized line SHOULD give you essentially the same plant, just worked in better. I'd do this to add vigor to an old line. I'm about to start working with this with my 2 lines of Alaskan Hippie Weed.
I'd also like to try backcrossing a line of VT hippie weed locally known as 'green lifesaver' which looks to have some strong NL heritage with its NL ancestor to bring it back into more of a houseplant, lol... she's a big wild untamed sasquatch beast atm... needs to be housebroken! :D

that doesent sound like the OG kush the purple pheno?? I havent heard of that in OG but it could be what do i know it is defintaly in bubba it sounds like he has bubba kush buy thoses clones up can you post a pic if its a shitty yeilder but premo smoke its probably bubba even thow og is a shitty yeilder to ive only seen 1 grower in Cali take both bubba and OG to the next level getting record set yeilds he has 20+ years of growing experience thow

I was under the impression that a hermaphroditic Massachusetts Super Skunk pollinated Diesel (clone-only strain resulting from two Chem/Dawgs accidentally crossed) and of one of the seeds that was grown out was named Sour Diesel, and another seed was named OG Kush and from then on they were cloned, traded, and passed around to much acclaim. At least that's what the Cannabible says.

Cool, cool all good info. I will talk to the grower this weekend to get as much info on the TRUE origin of this clone. He said that they average 4 oz per plant off of these clones grown DWC. I will have the actual clone in my hands next friday when i go down to San Antonio to pic it up. i will post pics, and all the new info I get regarding this strain. Im wondering now if they just took a wild guess on the name. Or possibly they got a real OGK clone, but crossed it with the male pollen of a purple strain, that is a high yielder.... we will see! Thanks!

So I spoke with him today and we are going down to meet up and get the clone friday night. He said that he thinks it is a cross and not strait OG Kush. But he said that for sure it has OG Kush in it. He said it has very, very, VERY strong skunk odor when flowering and the bud formation is very dense and resinous. He said the only time the plant will turn complete purple is when the temps are dropped late in flowering. And that if you dont drop the temps, then only some of the calyxes will turn purple and the tips of the leaves. I will be sure to post pics on it when it flowers, and some this weekend of the mother im picking up on friday. He also said that the trichomes will frost the entire leaves all the way to the tips. Wish me luck, ill have the clone in my possession soon!!!

Oh and on a side note I started three different strains from a private breeder I know in Canada. I have started the following:

1. Blue Berry cross. (DJshort BB x dutch passion BB )

2. Ninja Kush (A Kush hybrid created by a guy called Ninja Pimp)

3. AK-48 (I think its a F2 of AK-47, but im not sure)

I plan on growing some mothers out of these to clone off of If they turn out good. Eventually going to breed my own strain, but not sure when that will be. laterz..

So I picked up the OG kush clone this weekend. I must say, i was a little disappointed. I was getting a single rooted clone with about 5-6 sets on it, but when I got there he handed me two clones all wrapped up in a HEB bag with wet paper towels on wrapped around the roots. The one I came for was BROKEN in half. So he said he threw in a smaller one for free to make up for it. So when I got it home I immediately put them in some foxfarm soil, and under a 400 MH. The room temp is 76 F and has a spread from 68 F - 83 F. The humidity is low, sitting around 45%, and the lights are running on 18/6. The clones are very light, lime green in color. And the plants smell very skunky for being in veg. I will post pics of the 3x3x6 mother grow chamber, and the two clones as soon as I get to a safe computer to load pics on. Oh and also both the AK-47 and the Blue Berry have popped, and are sitting in RW as we speak. Any comments or questions will be appreciated, but if you wait until the pics are up, you will have a better idea of what im working with. laterz..

Hey Bro.....Any updates on your Purple Ogk yet????...I'm sure its pretty dank..~ograskal

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Originally Posted by Megatron

Question.... If I were to stress a clone of the OG Kush, causing is to go hermaphrodite, couldn't I pollinate another one of the OGK clones? Then wouldn't I have seeds of OG Kush? The only down side that I see would resemble the down side of feminized seeds. Since it would not poses the male chromosome. Please correct me if im wrong, I dont mind, it just helps me learn. Also I was wondering if my statement was incorrect. I was under the impression that all plants have three pheno types, like i stated...Is this incorrect?

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Thats how I ended up with Dumpster seeds! A little light pollution a couple times during flowering will get a branch or two to seed. You really dont even have to collect pollen and pollinate a clone. Just fuck with the lights a lil on your next grow and you should end up with quality feminized PurplePheno OG Kush seeds.