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its proven what the hell your gonna say i came from a rib are you serious thats not no where close to bein proven wheres the facts and wheres the dinosaurs in ur bible what bout them we found the bones they had to be here and ppl who do believe in the bible just answer me why?
Because they will believe whatever they are told to believe. Evidence and truth be damned!
To evolve means to take responsibility for your life.
To a dogmatic person, that's worse than death.
That's like kicking their legs out from under them.
Every hateful deed is forgiven if you train your mind to calm down with an idea of a globally accepted scape goat.
I'm a Christian who believes God used evolution to create the Universe, not just us.
Unfortunately, the most ignorant among us are often the loudest and most strident, especially on this subject.
Tip: If you want a serious thread/answer then you should use better grammer and spelling, else the reader is distracted just trying to decide exactly what you are asking/saying.
Take it from the bible, Mike. In other words, how does God say we have come to be? He created us from the dirt and shaped the world in six days?Quote:
Originally Posted by MajMike
In the creator eyes 1 day be like million yrs to us human beings.......coming from a very religous background, i can safely say i have never been told not to believe in evolution.......why cant evolution and creationist co-exist. have youve seen how many planets exist outside our solar system, theres planets million times larger then our Sun, can you grasp that.....something or somethings or sum beings have to keep this chaos in check...esp in our world,man shouldve wipe each other off long time ago
Creationists and Evolutionists can't get along because Creationists can't bend.If they bent they would break.Evolution alone does not disprove a God.:stoned:
You simply cannot deny the All-Mighty Lord's role in creating our existence. And to the faithful, evolution and creationism co-exist harmoniously but to some evolution has come to challenge religion. If it was intended to test the faithful is beyond me. The way I have come to accept is that evolution claims to have the explanation of how we came to be, and so does creationism.
You also think that God is responsible for evolution? Maybe we were created to evolve? Maybe God dropped a tear on the planet and from it sparked life?
most creationist cant bend cause they really believe god created earth in 7 days their minds cant grasp the mind of an Intelligent Surpreme Being that may have been around oh lets see a million yrs to create sum Nano-Tech being like us...IDK...just putting it out-there
cause if that were true you would/should still see it to this day happening as there would be a half ape half man sum where but no all we see is ape and then man no in between where is it at are u gonna tell me that apes were smarter and we humans are smarter but the middle man was'nt smart enough to make it so they died off leaving only us and the apes ?? damn i thought there were smarter people in the world
yea u can now but, not forever and sad to say it but the last laugh will sadly be on u.Quote:
Originally Posted by reaper666
i don't believe the earth was created in 7 daysQuote:
Originally Posted by eg420ne
Sorry to rain on this parade...Quote:
Originally Posted by palerider7777
Homo rudolfensis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
no rain yet lol that proves nothin show me one with sum skin on it and that walks and talks like a human?? all that proves is a skull thats apish in nature nothin more??Quote:
Originally Posted by stinkyattic
first off...prove it?? 2nd "like a million years from now all humans might have less bodily hair or have a slightly taller or shorter average height"lmfao do we not have people now that are taller, and sum not, sum more hair, sum not, and thats been that same way for 1000's of years. no ur the dumb ass!!!!! i would really like to meet u no really..show me what that 666 is all aboutQuote:
Originally Posted by reaper666
ITS CALLED ORGANIZED RELIGION AND IT IS A HORIBLE LIE TO THE PEPOLE JUST GOOGLE THE TRUTH ABOUT JESUS AND WATCH THE VIDEOS ITS ALL SCIENTIFICLY BASED INFO AND EXTREAMLY INTERESTING TO ANYONE WHO LIKES HAVEING PROOF BE WARNED IF YOUVE BAISED YOUR LIFE AROUND RELIGION THIS COULD BE SHOCKING TO YOU
Dont waste your time on him, Stinky. He is a religious troll that does not smoke weed. He is only here to troll.Quote:
Originally Posted by stinkyattic
I just want to say that I would LOVE to see a planet that is a million times larger than the Sun.Quote:
Originally Posted by eg420ne
A simply lesson in physics: The only reason that cellestial bodies with the huge mass that stars possess are able to keep from collapsing under their own gravity is the nuclear reaction at their core. Once they reach a certain critical amount of fuel where they are not producing enough energy to offset gravity, depending on their size they either shrink to a white dwarf, a neutron star, sometimes they supernova, and other times the gravity takes the mass and collapses it all together to form a singularity, or Black Hole.
Not trying to be rude though, I just kinda chuckled a little.
Why don't evolutionists believe in God? :wtf:Quote:
Originally Posted by zino11
First off is there a reason why you feel you have to be rude? I believe in creation....evolution is a theory....which is NOT proven.A theory is an idea only.Creation has been proven and if you research the rib thing,men have one less than women.Explain that.I have never said nor have I ever heard anyone say that dinosaurs didn't exist obviously they did there are remains EVERYWHERE! They just died out as the Earth and climate changed.ALSO no one said ADAM came from a rib....Eve was created from Adam by the use of his rib.Adam was created from the dust of the Earth.Before you start spouting off at the mouth and go embarrassing yourself misquoting things,do a little research first and actually pick up a Bible (KJV) and read it!!! Then maybe all your questions will be answered without the unreasonable rantings in an uneducated post...Quote:
Originally Posted by zino11
sorry if I seem a little bitchy but you struck a nerve considering I am a believer and I don't walk around belittling or criticising other people.No need to be rude no matter what your take...
Science disproves a lot of what is in that book of lies aka the bible.
1.No flood covering the Earth is possible because their is not enough water to cover all of the land up to the highest peaks,their would have to be twice as much water on the Earth to be able to do that.
2.We came from a rib,r u fuckin kiddin me and plus that's some messed up humans with all the incest that would have to happen for the population to be where it is at now.
3.And why the hell is "god"lieing to all of his prophets? The bible contradicts itslef on many occasions,come on Christians what's that about?
I don't doubt that their is a god but to believe in the christian god and the bible is just being dumb.
Nope, not 1000s of years, just a couple hundred that we have been this tall- go to Europe sometime and go in one of the townhouses built in the 1400s and see if you can comfortably walk through all the doorways...Quote:
Originally Posted by palerider7777
Scientific American: Ask the Experts: Biology: Why are we getting taller as a species?
I'd imagine that some do. And I'd also assume that some religious people believe in evolution.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pass That Shit
as a believer in evolution (sure it's a theory, but it has a hella lot more evidence then creationism) and also a believer in a higher power (aka God), I have a hard time with both sides when they get as hard-core as some of you are getting.
Now most believers in creationism seem to base their views upon the Bible (not all of you, but most), but what boggles my mind is the fact that the Bible was written by men. God didnt fax it down from heaven, it was written by people (and edited by a pagan roman emperor for that matter) and because it that, it should not be assumed to be completly accurate, and should not be used as "proof" of creationism.
The Bible is a nice book that gives very good suggestions for how to live you life, but it cant be all true, because Man is imperfect, and Men wrote the Bible.
Now evolution doesn't contradicts the existence of God in the least. Since we evolved, there cant be a God? Just because the Bible seems to contradict it (and only in the first book) doesnt mean that some of the bible can't be true. Thats like finding a typo in a textbook and assuming the whole book is wrong.
I dunno, maybe it's just my innate dislike of people too blinded by their beliefs to give others a chance, but is it really that hard to believe that God and evolution can go together like peas and carrots?
sorry for my rambling, i hope ya'll can decipher it and find some nugs of importance in it :)
oh boy... umm... well I guess Ill start off by expressing my curiosity on how creationism has been proven? This is quite startling news to me, and I would love to read up on how it has been proven if you would be so kind as to post a link or two for me :) Also I was a little curious as to why you feel that the King James Version of the bible would be the most accurate? I am guessing it may be due to your Protestant upbringing? Just speculation, I hope I didnt assume wrong! However, that version of the original bible is quite far from being the closest to the original version. But to be fair, the original has been lost to dead languages and cultures, and has been mistranslated many times over the millenia.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkHairedSativa
Im not trying to pick on you, I think you are a wonderful person, I am just a curious type of person! I like understanding where other people are coming from.
I am reposting something I had to leave as a response in a different thread in this section... with the same characters debating... I've sent a pm to one of you guys re: be nicer...
This should have been a good thread, but it keeps showing up in my reported post box... hmmmm...
From my point of view here you guys have some very strong opinions, and while I see that yes, there is some argumentative personality stuff going on here, so far I'm not going to yell TROLL on anyone.
If I see anyone name-calling though it's going to be a problem.
If you are going to stand on a moral high ground, you can't be calling names either. So can we just get back to a politer discussion?
Your a lucky individual that Stinkyattic beat me here. I WARNED ya all in the thread in the sticky.......RESPECT!Quote:
Originally Posted by palerider7777
Thou shalt not piss on my parade!!:thumbsup:
Have a good one!:jointsmile:
What Would Stephen Colbert Do?Quote:
Originally Posted by palerider7777
My nana has the same view on the KJV of the bible. I don't understand it either, I've tried asking her many times as well. Apparently the KJV is "the best translation" while all other translations lose meaning. It doesn't make sense to me, maybe someone else can shed light.Quote:
Originally Posted by GraziLovesMary
i think it's because of the faith they have that there's a spiritual explaination. and you know what, better for them.Quote:
Originally Posted by zino11
it brings them peace, it cleanses their soul. and that's positive.
Religion has many positive aspects, but in this thread I think we can all see the negatives. Blind faith and a refusal to respect others opinions are never good. The reason many people dislike christians seems to be apparent when they not only name call, but insult others for not believing what they believe, and for some reason think that people with open minds are the ignorant ones. Faith is an amazing thing most of the time, but anyone that refuses to listen to the other side of the argument (regarding anything, not just religion) is a poor example of that which they say they represent. Try faith, tempered with a little reason ;)
I like that. Faith, reason, respect, and civility.Quote:
Originally Posted by LegalizeTheGreen
you're right.Quote:
Originally Posted by LegalizeTheGreen
I just don't see the need to criticize someones "ignorance"....if to them, it's "faith".
There's no "truth". We are all humans and we have the ability to think for ourselves.
I was raised catholic and after "confirmation", I went my own way. I still wear the cross but because it's positive energy. Not because I think he died for my sins.
My grandmother is one of the most religous people I know and it's "blind".
But she's ALL positive and bring positivity and for me, that's GREAT.
so not only live and let live but who are we to tell someone they are wrong?
It works both ways.......there's a "non-believer" member visiting Club Gitmo that would testify to that one.;)Quote:
Originally Posted by LegalizeTheGreen
Have a good one!:jointsmile:
very true, but as P4B said, it goes both ways... personally i think people who beleive are kinda stupid for doing so (As i'm sure they think i'm stupid for not believing) but i learned along time ago i'm not going to change their mind... if only they could learn the same.Quote:
The reason many people dislike christians seems to be apparent when they not only name call, but insult others for not believing what they believe, and for some reason think that people with open minds are the ignorant ones.
i have thrown so many errors in their faces about modern christianity, they always seem to wiggle outta of it though, usually with some generic 'answer'.... they're pretty slippery, like a vasaline covered trout.
since then i've decided to stop throwing stuff in their face... i'm just wasting my time anyways, i show them logic they retaliate with 'facts' and 'proof' god is real and blah blah.... now i just state my opinions for the most part, but unless i see something REALLY ignorant (as in something that goes against all modern teaching or it's just so 'out there' it makes me laugh) i'm not gonna debate them anymore on it.
Please quote the contradictions to me....The water came from the sky and under the Earth...."the waters broke forth" Scientists studying the bottom of the ocean floors have proven the caverns are collapsed as if all the water came out and stood still then the pressure caused them to cave in.... which would then allow the water to recede from off the land into what we know today as "oceans"....and again Adam did NOT come from a rib......:hippy:Quote:
Originally Posted by nschell_420
perfect example of what i was talking about :pQuote:
Originally Posted by DarkHairedSativa
(btw, dark is right, according the bible it was eve who came from adams rib, not adam that came from god's rib...)
Sorry,don't see how it couldn't have been a midget/dwarf or a deformed person or ape....Quote:
Originally Posted by stinkyattic
There are somewhere close to 100 different types of dwarfs walking around today...who's to say there weren't any then....just like how do the palentologists know what color scales the dinosaurs had or if they even had scales at all?? Now they think the raptor was more bird like with feathers....you never know...
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Originally Posted by GraziLovesMary
I'll find out the name of the author as I can't remember it off the top of my head....but the name of the book is called Starlight and Time....you can google it.It was written by a physicist, not a religious man. I believe that the Bible was written by man under the influence of the Holy Spirit...God is not a liar and he promised to keep his words true for all ages.Sorry, not a protestant...;) I grew up with barely any religion...just a little here and there from neighbors and extended family members here and there,until my Mom married a Catholic man and decided she was Catholic again.(how she was raised)I then got thrown into a Catholic school which I did not want to be in and when I left home at 15,I made a decision to find what I believe.I don't agree with most of the churches these days they are too full of legalities and judgments.Which is NOT what Christianity is all about.I believe the Bible and believe that every person has a choice to make for themselves.I believe Jesus is the son of God and the third part of God.The Trinity being God the Father,God the Son and God the Holyspirit.Three parts making a whole...kinda like and egg:shell white and yolk or water liquid,ice and steam....The Lord says come as you are not come with lots of money a mercedes and a 500,000 dollar house in a 3 piece suit.Alot of people are thrown totally away from religion aka Christianity (I do not call myself "religious" I am a "Christian") because alot of the religious people who claim to be Christian are not really.They are putting on a show and just being religious.Christianity is a way of heart not just a way of outward appearance.Unfortunately,most churches not ALL,have come down to appearances and lost the heart.The belief system that matches mine as closely as possible is Independant Fundamental Baptist.I believe the way to heaven is through accepting Jesus Christ as your Savior and asking forgiveness of your sins.Acknowleding Him through prayer.I don't think you need to be in church to do this.I don't believe you ever need to go to church to do this.It's a personal relationship between you and God alone.
Anyhow,So sorry I got off on a tangent....eek! Didn't mean too:o
But look up that book it is really cool!! :jointsmile:
i'd like to share a quote with ya'll
"never argue with fools because people watching from a distance can't tell who's who"