Yet another Molasses question. Stinky? Anybody?

I have used both "sweet" and molasses and found great results with molasses in regards to added weight etc.

When I use the molasses (1tbs per gallon) I have found a pattern with yellowing of the leaves and pretty quickly. Is this normal with molasses and if so is it harming the photosynthesis aspect? When I use "sweet" alone I am finding lesser results but the plants hold a nice deep green color.
:rastasmoke:Obviously, the end result of bigger heavier buds is what I am after, but I just want to make sure that I am going at this the right way or if the yellowing is abnormal.
Thanks in advance.
Elway

Well the leaves naturally yellow towards the end of the plants life cycle.

molasses should not cause yellowing leaves.

What you are doing by adding molasses is adding sugars or carbohydrates if you want to use the agronomic term.... however, molasses overall, is not really that sweet. That is why you have the sweetened molasses! I would strongly suggest instead of molasses to add Karo syrup or even stir sugar into hot water instead.

The yellowing is most likely due to the excess of potassium that is in the molasses. It is loaded with potassium. If you don't have your magnesium and calcium correct, it is easy to go to far with potassium (in this case molasses).

It is natural to have the leaves turn and discolor, but try to watch and see why.... is there interveinal yellowing on the old leaves (magnesium deficiency)....

Thanks guys,
I had just noticed that my plant would stay nice and green until it was time to introduce molasses. I know it turns yellow at the end of it's life cycle, but I am talking about a day or so after I introduce molasses. I bet it probably is the excess of potasium. that makes sense. if that is the case, will it hurt the plants bud production at all?

Also see if the molasses you are using is 'unsulfured'.
I am not sure about the yellowing. I haven't seen that problem.
Yellowing is usually associated with N deficiency- I am almost wondering whether the added carbon is making your plants grow a little faster than normal, making them consume N faster, or if you need to add a bit more to the soil.
I can't help much with this problem- Maybe rhizome will stop by and give a hint.

thanks Stinky. yes it is unsulphered as I had read from you before I ever started using it. I guess if I can't figure it out, I will just continue as I have seeing that the final product has never left me unsatisfied. far from it actually. I have added garden lime as I always do to the soil for a mag cal buffer and it always seems to work.
I will be adding molasses to one of my plants today seeing she is a month in flowering. I have been using sweet on her with no yellowing thus far. I guess I will see after today if the problem continues. I will take before and after photos and post the before photos today and then keep everyone posted so maybe we can get to the bottom of this...

also if it is a N def.. how can I correct that? I use Fox farms nutes. the grow nutes are 6-4-4 and my flower nutes are 2-8-4 I always wait a week or so into the 12/12 cycle to introduce the flower nutes. Is it possible to add a bit of grow nutes with the flower to give it more N or is there a better way? I don't want to overload on other elements.... Thanks guys

try an experiment- foliar feed one or two leaves w/ the FFGB @ 1/4 strength- see if the yellowing recedes in 24 hours.

Wondering about increased microbial activity releasing a whole shitload of NH4 sans nitrosonomas - crashing N cycle?

Or, as Stinky pointed out, you could simply be growing quicker than N is becoming available.

Pics of the deficiency would be great, as there are a bunch of reasons for yellowing, w/ N def being only the most common. I also find myself wondering about Fe, Mb...

P overload is a strong contender- you might want to run the veg nute a little longer. I stick w/ veg nutes for the first 14 days of flower.

rhizome...
Thanks. I will also try keeping GB longer before introducing flower nutes in the future. I actually have a few that I just placed in flower about a week and a half ago and on this latest watering I had introduced the flower nutes. That did seem to cause a bit of yellowing on those. On my big girl she received the same treatment with no yellowing. [I] am also running 8 cfl's on the big girl needing my HPS for the others.. I will water with the molasses today and take the photos. If yellowing does occur, I will try foliar feeding as you suggested to see if your theory is correct. I will post some shots today and see if maybe you can help... Thanks so much for your response..

well here is a couple of "Before" pics that I took before I watered and fed it with molasses... this way if it does in fact begin to yellow you will hopefully be able to help me figure out why exactly..

By the way, is there a specific brand of unsulphered molasses preferred over others?

What a nice looking plant! I think it looks healthy. BUt SERIOUSLY pot bound. Put it in a bigger pot with good soil and you will have an easier time correcting any problems.
Those lower yellow leaves are normal. They don't get much light and will eventually die off on their own. No worries there.
Any brand is fine, Grandma's is easy to find.

Yeah I use grandmas. Good then I have a good product. Thanks for the compliments. It will be so hard to repot at this stage. Yeah the lower leaves I wasn't worried about and just snipped them off. That was just a before picture.... because as I said earlier when I add molasses it begins to yellow. I usually use 5 gallon buckets for a plant that size. Needless to say it grew much larger than the normal 3 times when I put it into flower.
Right now it's in about a 2 gallon potter. Still way too small?

oh and far as my soil goes... I mix my own so that I have a great mix of everything it needs, drains well yet still hangs on to some moisture. It always works great. I had to learn the hard way over a year ago about soil when I first started. ;-)

My girl is starting to yellow as I feared a bit. Not as much as last time, but again I didn't introduce the full dose of molasses right away. I am easing her in this time. I will get pics and post them later today when her lights come back on... Hopefully it won't be worse than last night. I am also having a general yellowing issue with my other plants. I am thinking an N def. I will post those as well and you guys can help me.
thanks,
Elway

I just bought a 5 gallon bucket of molasses at the feed store for $18.00 :D:D:D

Wow! That's waaayyy cheap. I may just have to check out my local feed stores! Thanks

You are really limiting your potential with that tiny pot.
That looks like a 3 foot bush, and shoudl be in MINIMUM a 3-5 gallon pail. Maybe peesteve will give you the one from his molasses when he runs out :D

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Originally Posted by stinkyattic

Maybe psteve will give you the one from his molasses when he runs out :D

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Lets see...
I use about a pint per week, minus the 4 weeks I'll be in Holland, and a couple weeks to get things going, so that bucket will be available approximately the first of next February.
Remind me around the first of the year!:D

Stinky, I actually have a few 5 gallon buckets and I will be re-potting probably tomorrow. I was waiting till the soil has dried a bit before I attempt a re-pot. It's in a 2 gallon pot right now and actually did not expect it to grow this big at all. It has amazed me.. truly. It was my mother plant and had been cut and recut and recut for clones... I finally stuck it in flower just to see what it would do, and it just shot up amazingly! I agree with and am taking your advice on re-potting. It is just more difficult when it has become a tree like this. I should have realized and done it earlier...
I have taken some more pics but I think with the HPS on it may look real yellow but I will see and post them soon..

I am very happy to report that there is no uncontrollable yellowing in my big girl as I had experienced before. Maybe it was due to the fact that I slowly introduced the mollasses this time. Maybe I was having soil/nute issues that I was unaware of last time.
Stinky- I did in fact transplant her into one of my 5 gallon buckets and she is very very happy. I will post pics again soon.
on another note, I was having issues with yellowing on my SOG and took stinky's and someone elses advice of N def and the possibility they were in fact growing quicker than the rate of Nute uptake, So I began to give them more flower nutes in general and It has seemed to cure the yellowing completely! THANK YOU SO MUCH GUYS!
I will be posting pics soon!
Elway

It's so great that your plants are cheering up!

Thanks stinky! They certainly are. "The Queen" (my big girl) amazes me daily! I cannot believe her size and yield already. She still has 1 month to go!! I do have updated pics that I took when I watered and fed her yesterday . I will post them probably tomorrow.
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ok guys here are the updates and photos as promised! The first pics are of my queen (6 main colas) and she is thriving with the added nutes. No yellowing other than normal yellowing with age. The other pics are of 6 of my 8 babies. They were yellowing as well, but the added nutes for more N they are extremely happy.
On my queen she is supposed to have 3 weeks left, but it's weird she is showing sign of reaching maturity much sooner. This strain (grapefruit) is an 8-9 week flower cycle.
Anyway, enjoy the pics

Stinky,
where are you? LOL I know that you like myself, loves pictures so....there they be!

amazing pics! they look great.......how is the molasses workign out for you?

can't wait to see the final end!

It's working great. I had to figure out finally that when using molasses or another carb loader that they need more of the tiger bloom for the extra nitrogen. LOL they are no longer yellowing at all. the leaves are so green they almost look blue and greasy looking. If that makes sense. I am so amazed. My "queen" is the best plant that I have grown. Not the biggest but absolutely the highest yielding. I will be posting more pics as they go along!
thanks for taking interest in my post!

here are some updates photos. I took it out to flush it today because it started to burn. Apparently I screwed something up on her last feeding. Damn! So know that I know she looks a bit sick in the leaves, but I did flush her already. I took some pics of her and was amazed at how much she is growing and how quickly she is growing it. She is about done in a couple of weeks supposedly, but her trichs show about a week earlier. ( estimated guess)
I just wanted to show you guys and see what your response is to this...
oh yeah she is about 4 feet and some inches

That is SICK.
VERY VERY nice work.

if that was my plant, I'd smoke it ... :bigsmoke:

All this molasses discussion prompted me to order some, should be here later in the week. I hope it works. One set of plants is at 26 days flower, the other at 46. I figure worst case, I won't be able to notice any difference. Best case, who knows. I'm rollin' those dice!

yeah, it doesn't hurt what so ever! I can tell you that the difference between my buds before I started using molasses and after I started using it is like night and day. I will never ever NOT use it again. It should be part of the norm schedule of growing. (IMHO) I wish that I knew or had read about it sooner. I actually got the idea from reading Stinky's post. She knows her shit.
Stinky- Thanks a lot.. It is sick! I am amazed but enjoying watching it grow by the hour it seems. I Also will never grow again without topping.- then topping again. The Veg stage on her took awhile, but was well worth it in the end. She was soooo healthy from the get go. I burned her a bit last feeding screwing something up but that is the first time in awhile on any plant and her first bit of pain.
Thanks guys, I will be updating with more pics etc until the final product so let's stay tuned because I am just as curious as all of you what she will yield.
I am keeping a close eye on her trichomes because after growing for awhile, I listen to my plants and she is showing signs of being closer to chop time than her original schedule. We will see though.
Until later,
Elway

mollases never hurt me either. as far as yeild?? idk but sweet smelling and tasting? the answer is yes. i can taste a little diff in the cured buds compaired to not using them but the diff is my first ones were outdoors and the new ones(w/mollases) indoors. i think i will cut them off at the last fertilization a week before they are harvested.

It has increased my yield quite a bit actually. It has increased my weight with stickier, denser buds. If I could show you the difference, I think you would be as shocked as I was. To me, in my situation, it was a BIG difference.
I wouldn't recommend trying it, as I have never grown outdoors, but the difference indoors with and without it is great IMHO anyway.
I actually use "sweet" and molasses together for my flowering regimen. It seems to work for me. well.
good luck and stay posted. I will be giving an update later today with photos as well.

Hey guys it's funny that I just found out that the method of "topping" I did on her, (my little experiment) has already been named. FIM'ing!! I just thought it was normal topping? How funny. Well as you can see by her 6 colas and tons of branch growth, that it works!
I never knew what the term meant until someone just asked on another post.
I feel uninformed and dumb now! J/K
hahaha

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Originally Posted by elway07

I actually use "sweet" and molasses together for my flowering regimen. It seems to work for me. well..

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Me too. You get WAY more bang for your buck by combining the two.

I agree!! alrighty! Stinky, How do you use the two together in your regimen?

Elway, At one point in the flowering process do you begin adding the molasses? For the life of me I didn't know that plants would metabolize the carbohydrates. I'm glad you are enjoying watching her mature. From the looks of it, you have a comfortable seat from which to watch with the added benefit of doing two things at once!!!

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From the looks of it, you have a comfortable seat from which to watch with the added benefit of doing two things at once!!!

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FF- hmmm not quite sure I am getting you here..

As far as your question..I usually begin to add my carb boosters "sweet" or molasses or both the first day of 12/12 that I feed/water them. Some people begin using it from the beginning of a nute schedule in the veg stage. I know that my hydro store guy does. I don't though. I just wait until flowering. As you can see with no adverse effects on yield.

good luck,
Elway