Do you "illegally" download music? Use Peerguardian

Peerguardian [http://phoenixlabs.org/pg2/]

The Recording Industry Association of America has been suing people for downloading music online, and unless you live in Canada you might be at risk. While you can't be arrested for doing it, you can be sued. The RIAA pulls you IP address from a copyrighted song they download from you. Then when they get that ip address they contact a judge who gives them a subpoena to get your real ID from your internet provider.

Peer Guardian uses a list of blacklisted IP addresses to block almost all, if not all, of the RIAA computers trying to pull your IP address for a potential lawsuit.

Also don't share your music.

(Mods, please let this stay in the front for awhile, I know it belongs in tech but if it stays here for awhile more people will see it.)

I would use this if your'e sharing files (more than say, 500) over torrent/limewire etc. (mainly torrent). But if you have better sources i wouldnt worry about it.Remember its if YOUR sharing them, if you download it i dont think theres much they can do - i may be wrong though.

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Originally Posted by CheeseOnToast

I would use this if your'e sharing files (more than say, 500) over torrent/limewire etc. (mainly torrent). But if you have better sources i wouldnt worry about it.Remember its if YOUR sharing them, if you download it i dont think theres much they can do - i may be wrong though.

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Well no one has been sued for downloading yet, and while I don't share files I'd rather have it just incase.

To be honest though, they probably just make an example of a few home users, to shock the rest into not downloading it. If your not sharing a huge amount of files, then you hould be ok - they mainly go for sites.

Have some respect for the people who make the music you like and just buy it. Unless you listen to britney spears or 50 cent or somehting like that. In that case, pirate away.

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Originally Posted by onequestion

Have some respect for the people who make the music you like and just buy it. Unless you listen to britney spears or 50 cent or somehting like that. In that case, pirate away.

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That's not true, there have been studies done that prove that downloading music does not hurt record sales (source: Downloading doesn't hurt business: Canadian Record Industry Association study)
The Riaa is a monopoly that screws the artists and the consumers at the same time, but neither one can do anything about it because they've got them stuck in the middle. However, if you really want to respect the artists then download the music anyways and just send them the money, that way you cut out the RIAA.

Plus, this program isn't for people with a moral dilemma against downloading copyrighted music but for people who don't want to be caught.

It sounds, then, that it's not illegal to download anything, just upload - as in distribute. Here in Canada it's all legal, I love it!:jointsmile:


I used to be a fanatic music collector. I'd go broke buying all the CD's I love, but after a while I just realized there are too many bands I've been discovering and I couldn't possibly have the money to buy them all, let alone even a few of them. There's much more important things I have to save/spend my money on right now, so I wouldn't buy the music anyway, hence it makes no difference to music industry profits whether or not I listen to it. And still, if it's one of my beloved classics releasing a new album, like Iron Maiden or Motorhead, then I'm definately buying the cd and keeping my discography full.

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Originally Posted by cannabisis4for20

That's not true, there have been studies done that prove that downloading music does not hurt record sales (source: Downloading doesn't hurt business: Canadian Record Industry Association study)
The Riaa is a monopoly that screws the artists and the consumers at the same time, but neither one can do anything about it because they've got them stuck in the middle. However, if you really want to respect the artists then download the music anyways and just send them the money, that way you cut out the RIAA.

Plus, this program isn't for people with a moral dilemma against downloading copyrighted music but for people who don't want to be caught.

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If downloading music hasnt hurt record sales then what was the other recent phenomena that has made record sales drop about a million percent.

fucking lars ulrick

Yeah. Lars Ulrick is douche.

the whole point of releasing albums is to get the music out to fans so that they will come to your concert, where the artists make pretty much all of their money. the bands barely make any thing of cd sales

lucky canadians! yeah i download music, but only recently seeing as i got my first mp3 player last month, before that i bought all of my music, i own about 120 albums, including vinyl. but i admit, i do love torrent

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Originally Posted by txbuddz

the whole point of releasing albums is to get the music out to fans so that they will come to your concert, where the artists make pretty much all of their money. the bands barely make any thing of cd sales

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Quite true. But the industry's objections aren't based on the profits that go to the bands, it's about the cd stores and their employees, assembly line workers, transportation people etc.

i'm a broke ass family man lol... i can't afford to buy the music... maybe if they dropped teh price of cd's then it wouldn't be so bad... but 10-20 bucks? yeah fuck that... can kiss my ass.... i better get a blowjob or something after 5 cd's....

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Originally Posted by onequestion

If downloading music hasnt hurt record sales then what was the other recent phenomena that has made record sales drop about a million percent.

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That's what the RIAA claims, but since EMI, Sony, Universal, and Warner won't release numbers no one really knows if that's true or not.

I think the question should be who actually PAYS for MUSIC in 2007?

anyone who uses those site where people can download form you is crazey in the first place unless you have thousands of dollars in virus protection. those site slow your computer to a crawl and usualy are filled with viruses, I dont download anything but I got free music..... CD quality not MP3, I also watch movies such as the new Jason Bourne movie, I dont fear lars or the judges or controlers in his pocket or if its the other way around they can come here Im waiting. The arts should be free, in the future if no one knows thier music cause not to many people whow bought the CD are still alive, their music will die. And then they can sue me then when I dont know who they are and dont give a fuk who they are.

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Originally Posted by MadSativa

anyone who uses those site where people can download form you is crazey in the first place unless you have thousands of dollars in virus protection. those site slow your computer to a crawl and usualy are filled with viruses, I dont download anything but I got free music..... CD quality not MP3, I also watch movies such as the new Jason Bourne movie, I dont fear lars or the judges or controlers in his pocket or if its the other way around they can come here Im waiting. The arts should be free, in the future if no one knows thier music cause not to many people whow bought the CD are still alive, their music will die. And then they can sue me then when I dont know who they are and dont give a fuk who they are.

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Well if you want to download music and not get a virus you can just scan the file before you open it because viruses won't infect you're computer just by downloading the file you have to run it, if you want to.

Anyways, let the artists tour and make the money that way any ways. They just want to be able to throw a cd together one weekend and make a million dollars off of it. Let them produce the music for free and then go perform for their fans. That's the way it should be any ways.

torrents...

While Peer Guardian is a good idea, it won't guarantee you from being caught. I've gotten numerous letters (Universal, Blizzard, etc) while still using it. It just blocks known ranges, which helps, but a lot of companies are using third parties as fronts to catch you.

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Originally Posted by onequestion

If downloading music hasnt hurt record sales then what was the other recent phenomena that has made record sales drop about a million percent.

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record sales drop about a million percent? What?

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Originally Posted by Zannies

torrents...

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When using torrents you're constantly uploading, so it doesn't help you from getting caught. ;)



if you live in the USA and are paranoid, PeerGuardian isn't the answer (although it does help). the answer is private trackers/newsgroups. on anything public it's easy to get caught.

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Originally Posted by NteeM

While Peer Guardian is a good idea, it won't guarantee you from being caught. I've gotten numerous letters (Universal, Blizzard, etc) while still using it. It just blocks known ranges, which helps, but a lot of companies are using third parties as fronts to catch you.



record sales drop about a million percent? What?



When using torrents you're constantly uploading, so it doesn't help you from getting caught. ;)




if you live in the USA and are paranoid, PeerGuardian isn't the answer (although it does help). the answer is private trackers/newsgroups. on anything public it's easy to get caught.

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Do you share music? While I agree with you that peer guardian won't totally protect you (even tough i think you give it less credit then it deserves), when you're on a private network you have to be able find a network, and then depending on how big/small the network is the amount of stuff you can get is limited. Bigger network = more choices.

either way, the chances of getting caught are nealy nil....

i mean just think about how many people download music, then think about how many actually get sued by the IRAA... you probably stand about the same chance as being struck by lightning.

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Originally Posted by MadSativa

anyone who uses those site where people can download form you is crazey in the first place unless you have thousands of dollars in virus protection. those site slow your computer to a crawl and usualy are filled with viruses, I dont download anything but I got free music..... CD quality not MP3, I also watch movies such as the new Jason Bourne movie, I dont fear lars or the judges or controlers in his pocket or if its the other way around they can come here Im waiting. The arts should be free, in the future if no one knows thier music cause not to many people whow bought the CD are still alive, their music will die. And then they can sue me then when I dont know who they are and dont give a fuk who they are.

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LOL, man you do NOT need "thousands of dollars in virus protection". Just get a few free programs like spyware blaster, A-Squared, anti-vir, and avoid the crap that is Nortan AntiVirus like the plague. I know malware inside out and have yet to get a virus I couldn't destroy. The worst ever was the slimshield trojan, and the blaster worm, but still those didn't cost one penny to get rid of.

Music just aint that risky, porn is what you really want to fear and avoid. Even so, just learn a few things and you'll realize that viruses aren't that big a deal, and most are made by 16yo kids with randomized auto-programming software that makes viruses so pathetic you could kill them with a tylenol.

Since basically everyone does it, they can't stop it. If everyone grew cannabis, they couldn't stop it. Or something like that :stoned:

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Originally Posted by Gandalf_The_Grey

LOL, man you do NOT need "thousands of dollars in virus protection". Just get a few free programs like spyware blaster, A-Squared, anti-vir, and avoid the crap that is Nortan AntiVirus like the plague. I know malware inside out and have yet to get a virus I couldn't destroy. The worst ever was the slimshield trojan, and the blaster worm, but still those didn't cost one penny to get rid of.

Music just aint that risky, porn is what you really want to fear and avoid. Even so, just learn a few things and you'll realize that viruses aren't that big a deal, and most are made by 16yo kids with randomized auto-programming software that makes viruses so pathetic you could kill them with a tylenol.

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actually no, programs are what you want to avoid.... it's by far easier to infect someone's comp througha downloaded program than any other form of download :thumbsup:

i try not to mess with that shit too much... lol far too risky... since i don't use anti-spyware or anti-virus (i'm just really careful about what i do online... haven't had a problem in a good long while eihter)

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Originally Posted by Reefer Rogue

Since basically everyone does it, they can't stop it. If everyone grew cannabis, they couldn't stop it. Or something like that :stoned:

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They can barely stop it now even though everyone dosn't. The DEA is a joke. It's like they're trying to stop a waterfall with an umbrella.

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Originally Posted by cannabisis4for20

Do you share music? While I agree with you that peer guardian won't totally protect you (even tough i think you give it less credit then it deserves), when you're on a private network you have to be able find a network, and then depending on how big/small the network is the amount of stuff you can get is limited. Bigger network = more choices.

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on private trackers, you're forced to share music becuase keeping a ratio is a vital part about not getting banned. I didn't mean networks as in finding ones (like Gnutella), I meant something more decentralized or torrents, or even Usenet.

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Originally Posted by slipknotpsycho

either way, the chances of getting caught are nealy nil....

i mean just think about how many people download music, then think about how many actually get sued by the IRAA... you probably stand about the same chance as being struck by lightning.

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That is only half-true. Getting caught is as simple as uploading 1 byte. However, the chances of getting sued are neatly nil, although it's still possible. While I've had numerous copyright infringement letters, no court dates or any official legal documents were set up. Also, it's up to your ISP to decide whether they drop you. Many ISPs will also cap your speeds if they notice you're upload too much. And, depending on where you live, you only have a few ISP choices.

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Originally Posted by Gandalf_The_Grey

LOL, man you do NOT need "thousands of dollars in virus protection". Just get a few free programs like spyware blaster, A-Squared, anti-vir, and avoid the crap that is Nortan AntiVirus like the plague. I know malware inside out and have yet to get a virus I couldn't destroy. The worst ever was the slimshield trojan, and the blaster worm, but still those didn't cost one penny to get rid of.

Music just aint that risky, porn is what you really want to fear and avoid. Even so, just learn a few things and you'll realize that viruses aren't that big a deal, and most are made by 16yo kids with randomized auto-programming software that makes viruses so pathetic you could kill them with a tylenol.

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I do kinda agree with you but some viruses are not actualy viruses but sub zeros, spooks, or sleepers, usualy virus protection never pics em up cause their not realy their however when, you have something in your computer to activate the spook then someone is already in your computer and they look for the object which activated the program. This is a form of gurilla warfar, "take from them everything and give back nuthiung"

Iam a singer songwriter, when people ask me if I have a cd I just give them one.
it makes me happy just to know that people like my music, buy money comes in
handy tho.

I use BT. I download a lot. I don't let people upload from me(except rarer stuff), and I doubt the RIAA gives a fuck less about me, the artist, or anyone else. All they see is $$$.

Something tells me NteeM has one bad ass collection.

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Originally Posted by MadSativa

I do kinda agree with you but some viruses are not actualy viruses but sub zeros, spooks, or sleepers, usualy virus protection never pics em up cause their not realy their however when, you have something in your computer to activate the spook then someone is already in your computer and they look for the object which activated the program. This is a form of gurilla warfar, "take from them everything and give back nuthiung"

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That's why you wanna get multiple anti-virus/spyware/general malware programs and de-activate their guards to avoid resource gobbling and program conflicts. Generally something in the mix will pick it out. Even if not, you can always go through HiJack This and pick out the running processes individually.
Also you should empty all your temporary files and wipe your junk-cookies. A good free cleaning program like CCleaner (formerly "crap cleaner") is good to have. And if all else fails, though it usually doesn't becaues real badass viruses are rare, you can manually edit your registry plus kill some running processes with your computer in safemode.

It doesn't matter how sneaky, hidden, veiled, destructive, or rapid-breeding your malware is, there's always a way to find and kill it, and 95% of the time it's easy to do so. The other 5% are still 100% killable with a little effort.

Wait, if I have lots of music thats being shared, would that make my computer slow? or just my internet.

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Originally Posted by Zannies

Wait, if I have lots of music thats being shared, would that make my computer slow? or just my internet.

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Both, it's using up system resources to upload anything. But you can limit you upload speed. You could also be a total jerk and not share at all, but we need people to share damnit! haha, just pokin' fun at you, I don't share myself but only because my lame-ass internet provider has a monthly limit on how much I can upload/download. So if I shared I'd never get to download squat!

Oh btw, you may want to check your running processes. If you have something like Itunes or Antivir running in the background, those will gobble your resources thoroughly. Bitcomet's a bitch with that too, I can't even surf the web with it running since it gets so slow.

my computer used to own. its a laptop 30gb harddrive, it used to run very fast, but lately it sucks. i have about 10GB left...around 12gb of music and 8gb of other shit. is there a reason its running realllllllly slow? its been slow since ive had all this music, but i still have 10gb left thats no reason for it to barely move.

I wrote a paper on this issue for my english course a few semesters ago...

i use ares, and i download a lot. but i always unshare my music/videos/movies as soon as they download, because i'm paranoid about getting caught. at my school, if you download stuff and share it and they catch you, they can block your internet access on campus and you have to go before some committee to get your internet access back (this has happened to a couple of my friends)...so i dont wanna deal with that...even though i haven't lived on campus in awhile, i just got in the habit of unsharing my stuff as soon as it downloaded when i did live on campus.

**sorry, i dont know too too much about computers/computer programs, so if i said something that was obviously stupid, please don't flame me too much :o **

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