A Troubleshooting form! Yay! You know you wanted one!

Hey peeps,

Lots of 'my plant is sick' questions as always... and I realize that a lot of new growers aren't even fully aware of the types of things that they need to take into consideration when asking for advice, so I made a list of the common ones.

If you have a problem, go ahead and cut-and-paste this list into your post to make it easier for the growers here to help you.

Don't worry about answering every question, but the more information you give, the faster and more accurately we can help solve your problems!

Happy growin'.

Stinky

H=Answer if you grow hydro or aero
C=Answer if you grow coco
S=Answer if you grow traditional soil
L=Answer if you grow soilless other than coco (Promix, Hyponex, SunshineMix)
R=Answer if you grow in RockWool
T=Answer if you grow in HydroTon
D=Answer if you run any type of automatic drip system, including into soil or soilless
E= EVERYONE needs to answer lol!


E-indoor or outdoor
E-soil, soilless, coco, aero, or hydroponic
E-specific medium
CSL-Soil type/brand
HCL-Hydro/aero/soilless system type
SCL-Anything you have added to the soil
SCLR-Soil or slab runoff pH
E-Water source
E-Source water pH
HRT-Source water EC (if hydro)
E-Age of plant
E-Type of fertilizer
E-Rate of application (if hydro, this is your PPM number, preferably after each component is added)
E-Lighting source and distance from plant
E-Air temperature (both day and night if you are running a dark period)
HD-Reservoir temperature
E-Air % Relative humidity
E-Lighting schedule
E-Type of ventilation your room has
TR-Did you pre-soak your media in pH corrected solution?

test- this is IN PROGRESS and will shortly include a dichotomous key! (22 April 2008)

I remember you were commenting on someone who took pics of his plants (a little research and I might find who he was and the thread, can't remember right now). For each plant he had a top view and a side view. If I remember, you said that this was a good way to take pictures as it's easy to how the plant looks and see different symptoms if any. Maybe you wanna include that in the form? As well as any close up pictures they might want to take of specifically what they noticed.

Anyways nice form.

Yes.....photos definitely if possible.....it's like someone trying to guess the color shirt I have on.

Good work both of you....:thumbsup::jointsmile:

http://boards.cannabis.com/basic-gro...ml#post1573946

The post referenced above is a wonderful example of the angles that you should take pictures from to help us diagnose your plants. Granted the lighting and picture quality could be a bit better but the angles- top, side, side showing nodes, and diagonal- show the plant's structure and leaves well.

I often find a shot of the underside of affected tissue can be helpful.

Congrats, Ms Moderator Lady- I cower in fear of your mighty ban button:thumbsup:

This is the Best site and Info. on sick plants that I've found. I know its from another Site, but it has such good Information w/ pictures, remedies.


Revised: The Complete Guide To Sick Plants,pH and Pest Troubles - PlanetGanja.com

Please do not post your plant problems in this thread. Start a new thread, and copy the questions into the new thread to answer them. Otherwise it turns into pure confusion! :D

Huh wot? did she say??.. post my pic's here for help????
No she clearly stated you should start your own thread
this is a guideline of what information should be in your post DOH!

Please remember this is a sticky, not a place to discuss individual problems. The only reason it is still open for posting is in case you guys need clarification on items in the form, etc.

H=Answer if you grow hydro or a
T=Answer if you grow in HydroTon
D=Answer if you run any type of automatic drip system, including into soil or soilless
E= EVERYONE needs to answer lol!


E-indoor
E- hydroponic
HCL-Hydro/ Bubbleponics type

E-Water source- from a water store. for drinking
E-Source water pH- 5.5
HRT-Source water EC (if hydro) 20 ppm
E-18 days in bucket since clone
E-Type of fertilizer- general hydroponics nutes
E-Lighting source and distance from plant- 400 w HPS 18 inches from tallest plant
E-75-82 in the day. 72-78 nightime
HD-74 res temp
E-35% humidity
E-Lighting schedule- 18/6
E-Type of ventilation your room has- 4 inch duct in and out of light wuth fans on both sides sucking in and out
TR-yes

Please refer to post #9.
Questions pertaining to YOUR grow and not to the troubleshooting process itself belong in YOUR thread. Thank you.

I don't get how to use it. What with all the letters in fron of the question. Please explain how this works. How do you use this once someone else has filled it out.

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Originally Posted by stinkyattic

H=Answer if you grow hydro or aero
C=Answer if you grow coco
S=Answer if you grow traditional soil
L=Answer if you grow soilless other than coco (Promix, Hyponex, SunshineMix)
R=Answer if you grow in RockWool
T=Answer if you grow in HydroTon
D=Answer if you run any type of automatic drip system, including into soil or soilless
E= EVERYONE needs to answer lol!

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So, if it says E : indoor or outdoor, everyone needs to answer this E=everyone.

If it says HCL-Hydro/aero/soilless system type, you answer if your are growing hydro (h), if you use coco (c), or if you do soilless (L). If you grow in soil, you don't have to answer this.

You cannot diagnose with pictures alone because some problems look like others, and there may be a combination of problems.

Read through some plant problems threads, and you can see how important both pictures and the form are.

S=traditional soil
E= EVERYONE needs to answer lol!


E-indoor
E-shultz moister plus
E-specific medium
CSL-shultz moister plus
SCL-egg shells
SCLR-slab-6.0-6.5
E-store bought bottled water
E-6.5
E-4 1/2 months
E-bloom plus (15-30-15)
E-2twice a week at 1/2 diluted
E-light distance 6-10 inches
E-day 23 celcius night 18 celcius
E-humidity 30%
E-Lighting schedule ---- 12/12
E-house fan

S=Answer if you grow traditional soil

E= EVERYONE needs to answer lol!


E-indoor
E-soil
E-specific medium - perlite@15%,bone meal@5%, composted worm castings@80%
SCL-Anything you have added to the soil - nothing
SCLR-Soil or slab runoff pH = 7.0
E-Water source - tap water
E-Source water pH - unknown
E-Age of plant - 3 months
E-Type of fertilizer - none
E-Rate of application (if hydro, this is your PPM number, preferably after each component is added) n/a
E-Lighting source and distance from plant - metal hallide and SO
E-Air temperature (both day and night if you are running a dark period) 75/69F
HD-Reservoir temperature - n/a
E-Air % Relative humidity - 35-41%
E-Lighting schedule - 12/12
E-Type of ventilation your room has - fans
TR-Did you pre-soak your media in pH corrected solution? - no

We've had a new problem (to us). Reddish-brown spots are appearing in the center area of the middle leaves in our veg room. These are dead tissue, and the affected leaves show curling. Doesn't seem to me to be an insect or nutrient problem, but I don't know how to diagnose or treat this slowly spreading.....

H=Answer if you grow hydro or aero
C=Answer if you grow coco
S=Answer if you grow traditional soil
L=Answer if you grow soilless other than coco (Promix, Hyponex, SunshineMix)
R=Answer if you grow in RockWool
T=Answer if you grow in HydroTon
D=Answer if you run any type of automatic drip system, including into soil or soilless
E= EVERYONE needs to answer lol!


E-indoor
E-hydro
E-hydroton
CSL-Soil type/brand
HCL-ebb and grow bucket system
SCL-Anything you have added to the soil
SCLR-Soil or slab runoff pH
E-well water
E-7.0
HRT-Source water EC (if hydro)
E- day 7 bloom
E-floro3 part, hygrozyme, carboload.bigbud,voodoojuice, floralicious bloom
E-Rate of application after all things added around 1000 ppm
E-1000w hps about 24" inches away
E-76 day 66 night
HD-60
E-50 day 67 night
E-12/12
E-Type of ventilation your room has - a/c on 24/7 and vortex cooling sealed hoods
TR-Did you pre-soak your media in pH corrected solution? yes


plants were great veging under 400 watt mh as soon as i put them in bloom leaves started curling under a little bit at the top where the buds are begening to form. i cant get my humidity lower but could that be the problem? at night the humid is too high i think but the plants are growing fine and color and everything is all fine its just a little bit of the curling down in teh new growth leaves that is bothering me

Guys this is a sticky.....you won't get much help here on the end of this sticky. Take the questions and answer them with your own thread in Plant problems.....Start a NEW thread stating your problem and answering the questions. This thread is just to show you what info we need.

I promise you'll get much more help that way..

good luck.

lol Weedy. And after that exact instruction shows up even further up the thread too... Tee hee.
*hint*
Attention to detail makes for a successful grower! :D

Hi cheers dude. This is my 3rd plant ive grown, i do one every year now, but all i do is plant it in compost and let nature take its cause in my conservatory. All i really do is give it plant food and when its ready harvest.
This is the best I can do on short notice will try and buy something to tell the ph stuff in the next couple of days. cheers for the help

E-indoor/conservatory does go outside on good days
E-soil
E-compost/peat
CSL-organic peat
HCL-
SCL- miracle grow 24-8-16
SCLR-unknown
E-rain water
E-unknown
HRT-
E- 1 month to 2 months
E-soluble powder
E-once a week
E-around 6 hours direct light and 4 hours shaded light
E-Air temperature (day between [15 deg and 30 deg] and night [7 deg and 15 deg] )
HD-
E- conseratory so gets quite stuffy during the day
E- natural sun
E- windows and double patio doors open during day. and plant is placed in garden when sun is out
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Originally Posted by stinkyattic

H=Answer if you grow hydro or aero
C=Answer if you grow coco

D=Answer if you run any type of automatic drip system, including into soil or soilless
E= EVERYONE needs to answer lol!


E-indoor
E- coco, and hydroponic
E-Cocoa/perlite 50/50 And water table with air stones

HCL-Hydro/aero/soilless system type - drip feed cocoa/perlite,

SCLR-Soil or slab runoff pH - Never check
E-Water source - RO
E-Source water pH - RO is 6.7 before nutes.
HRT-Source water EC (if hydro) - electric
E-Age of plant - 4 weeks into 12/12
E-Type of fertilizer - GH floro micro 1 bloom 2. Cal mag.
E-Rate of application - 2 a day 10 % run off 1300
E-Lighting source and distance from plant - multiple 600 hps 20 inches away
E-Air temperature - 74 / 68
HD-Reservoir temperature - 72
E-Air % Relative humidity ?
E-Lighting schedule 12/12
E-Type of ventilation your room has. - 2,pushed in from low and pulled out high.
TR-Did you pre-soak your media in pH corrected solution?-Y

test- this is IN PROGRESS and will shortly include a dichotomous key! (22 April 2008)

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Chlorosis, spots on leaves ,transparent. Turn brown and curl up like mg deficiency.

Not gonna get much help in this thread...

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Originally Posted by stinkyattic

Please do not post your plant problems in this thread. Start a new thread, and copy the questions into the new thread to answer them. Otherwise it turns into pure confusion! :D

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Originally Posted by veggii

Huh wot? did she say??.. post my pic's here for help????
No she clearly stated you should start your own thread
this is a guideline of what information should be in your post DOH!

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Originally Posted by stinkyattic

Please remember this is a sticky, not a place to discuss individual problems. The only reason it is still open for posting is in case you guys need clarification on items in the form, etc.

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Originally Posted by stinkyattic

Please refer to post #9.
Questions pertaining to YOUR grow and not to the troubleshooting process itself belong in YOUR thread. Thank you.

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Originally Posted by Weedhound

Guys this is a sticky.....you won't get much help here on the end of this sticky. Take the questions and answer them with your own thread in Plant problems.....Start a NEW thread stating your problem and answering the questions. This thread is just to show you what info we need.

I promise you'll get much more help that way..

good luck.

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Originally Posted by stinkyattic

lol Weedy. And after that exact instruction shows up even further up the thread too... Tee hee.
*hint*
Attention to detail makes for a successful grower! :D

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beensoup - in your new thread, tell us what the ph is before feeding (everything already in the mix)! 6.7 is way off for hydro... should be below 6.0.

I've been troubleshooting here at CanCom for a few months, and still I have problems deciphering the other form.
Since I had a couple of days of free time lately, I came up with these revised forms. (one for soil, one for hydro)
If you think this is easier to use or understand, or if there is anything I missed, please chime-in.
Also, if the mods would prefer I could start a fresh thread for these, but I never got a response when I asked.


-Soil Grows-

What is your experience level? (first timer, novice, experienced...)

Your Equipment:
1.) Type and wattage of lights. (MH, HPS, CFL's, tube fluorescents, LED's)
2.) Distance from tops?
3.) Reflector type? (cool tube set-up, bat wing, enclosed reflector, bare bulb...)
4.) Is there a consistent fresh air supply?
5.) Do you have an exhaust fan and a circulation fan?

Your medium:
6.) Specific brand and type of soil, (coco, peat based soilless...) and anything you've added to it. (vermiculite, perlite, worm castings...)
7.) Size of container.

Your nutrients and water:
8.) Source of water. (tap or filtered)
9.) Method of checking water ph. (ph pen, test strips, aquarium test kit...)
10) Method of adjusting water ph. (phosphoric acid, white vinegar, hydrated lime, PH Up...)
11) Specific brand and N-P-K ratio for each bottle. List dosages (quantity per gallon) and current feeding schedule.
12) Any additives or tea's? (Superthrive, CalMag, molasses, Mother's Earth...)
13) Are your ph levels stable, or do they fluctuate?
14) What is your ingoing water's ph? ...your runoff ph?
15) Do you foliar feed? If so, with what, how often, and at what time do you spray?

Your growroom:
16) Indoors or outdoors?
17) What size of closet, room or hut?
18) What are the temps and humidity levels while lights are on? ...With lights off?
19) Noticed any insects in the growroom?

Your strain:
20) What strain are you growing? (Indica dominate or Sativa dom?)
21) From seeds or clones?



-Hydro Grows-

What is your experience level? (first timer, novice, experienced...)
What type of hydro set-up are you running?

Your Equipment:
A) Type and wattage of lights. (MH, HPS, CFL's, tube fluorescents, LED's)
B) Distance from tops?.
C) Reflector type? (cool tube set-up, bat wing, enclosed reflector, bare bulb...)
D) Is there a consistent fresh air supply?
E) Do you have an exhaust fan and a circulation fan?
F) Size of reservoir?

Your nutrients and water:
G) Source of water. (tap or filtered)
H) Specific brand and N-P-K ratio for each bottle. List dosages (quantity per gallon) and current feeding schedule.
I) What is the ec/ppm of your unadjusted tap (or filtered) water?
J) What is the ec/ppm of your nutrient solution?
K) What is the temperature of your nutrient solution? (high and low temps)
L) Does your ec/ppm show a rise or fall when you do your daily PPM check?
M) Does the ph fluctuate?
N) Do you foliar feed? If so, with what, how often, and at what time do you
spray? (Just after lights come on, just before they go out...)

Your growroom:
O) What size of closet, room or hut?
P) What are the temps and humidity levels while lights are on? ...With lights off?
Q) Have you seen any bugs in your growroom

Your strain:
R) What strain are you growing? (Indica dominate or Sativa dom?)
S) From seeds or clones?

I concur.

looks good lets use a couple of times and see what comes of it

How about how often are you watering? or would that be considered the feeding schedule?

Good one Italiano, thanks. Will edit that into my copy, or into it's own post if there's still an interest. Hydro never get's straight fresh water unless to correct a problem, right...? Quantity of runoff when watering/feeding came to mind also.

I guess it could get too complicated if worried about the minutia, but am seeking the perfect troubleshooting form, lol. :thumbsup:

Any additional imput or suggestions is/are welcome. I'm not trying to step on anyones toes, just trying to make it a bit easier to follow the troubleshooting form.

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Originally Posted by Rusty Trichome

Good one Italiano, thanks. Will edit that into my copy, or into it's own post if there's still an interest. Hydro never get's straight fresh water unless to correct a problem, right...? Quantity of runoff when watering/feeding came to mind also.

I guess it could get too complicated if worried about the minutia, but am seeking the perfect troubleshooting form, lol. :thumbsup:

Any additional imput or suggestions is/are welcome. I'm not trying to step on anyones toes, just trying to make it a bit easier to follow the troubleshooting form.

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Umm not too sure, you mean like how often is the reservoir changed. I think hydro changes the reservoir every 2 weeks or so....Not sure as I'm not a hydro grower though.

Was also thinking to adding to the how often you water one.....how much water are your giving them also. Like 1 gallon water each pot....2 gallons water each pot, etc.

Let me reword how I was thinking this.....

"How often (times day/week) do you water and how much water is given to each container, pertaining to the size of the container?"

If ^^^^ makes any sense to ya......

I am one my 3rd day of bubbleponics and am having problems from the get go.
second day of production i woke up to my ressi full of foam and the pump was barley working. does anyone know what causes this? Also i noticed my ressi water was stinky. what would cause that to happen. my ph level was 6.8 but now is 6.4 and slowly dropping do to ph down i put in today. I also live on well water is that good to use? My plant are starting to turn yellow at the bottoms and are drooping more everyday. Could i get some help or a push in the right direction. lights i am using are 2 cfl 46 watts and 2 led 56 watts.

This isn't a troubleshooting forum, it's the troubleshooting form. Try copying and pasting the appropriate form to your new post in the Plant Problems section, answer the questions, and someone will be with you shortly. :thumbsup:

thanks rusty short and sweet

rusty, how about method for checking if your plants need water in the soil section? i know this might be a bit much.

also, in the hydro section, how about res temp?

that's the only things i saw.

i think it's awesome. sorry i didn't know your were gonna make one or i wouldn't have started another thread.

what about lighting schedule and and color spectrum? the spectrum might be a bit nit picky.

just trying to be productive. if i said something that's there i just missed it and disregard.


-shake

Great troubleshooting form rewrite. I can see that a novice (or non-native English speaker) might find it easier than the coded form.

Since I had a couple of days of free time lately, I came up with these revised* troubleshooting forms. (one for soil, one for hydro)
If you would kindly copy the appropriate section, (hydro or soil...not both) and post it into your own thread, and answer the questions.
The answers you provide to this form will help other's to get the full picture, and be better able to diagnose the problem. Answer all questions as best you can. Missing answers may lead to an inaccurate diagnosis and treatment plan.
Good luck to ya...:thumbsup:
( * with all due respect to stinkyattic)


Soil Grows - Peat Based

What is your experience level? (first timer, novice, experienced...)

Your Equipment:
.1) Type and wattage of lights. (MH, HPS, CFL's, tube fluorescents, LED's)
.2) Distance from tops?
.3) Reflector type? (cool tube set-up, bat wing, enclosed reflector, bare bulb...)
.4) Is there a consistent fresh air supply?
.5) Do you have an exhaust fan and a circulation fan?
.6) What are the bulb wattages, kelvin ratings, and schedule?

Your medium:
.7) Specific brand and type of soil, (coco, peat based soilless...) and anything you've added to it. (vermiculite, perlite, worm castings...)
.8) Size of container.

Your nutrients and water:
.9) Source of water. (tap or filtered) What's it's ph?
10) Method of checking water ph. (ph pen, test strips, aquarium test kit...)
11) Method of adjusting water ph. (phosphoric acid, white vinegar, hydrated lime, PH Up...)
12) Specific brand and N-P-K ratio for each bottle. List dosages (quantity per gallon) and current feeding schedule.
13) How often are you watering between feedings, and how much per watering?
14) Any additives or tea's? (Superthrive, CalMag, molasses, Mother's Earth...)
15) Are your ph levels stable, or do they fluctuate?
16) What is your ingoing water's ph? ...your runoff ph?
17) Do you foliar feed? If so, with what, how often, and at what time do you spray?

Your growroom:
18) Indoors or outdoors?
19) What size of closet, room or hut?
20) What are the temps and humidity levels while lights are on? ...With lights off?
21) Have you seen signs of insects in the growroom?

Your strain:
22) What strain are you growing? (Indica dominate or Sativa dom?)
23) From seeds or clones?
24) Is this an autoflower strain?



Hydro Grows - Coco, NFT, Hempy Bucket...

What is your experience level? (first timer, novice, experienced...)
What type of hydro set-up are you running?

Your Equipment:
A) Type and wattage of lights. (MH, HPS, CFL's, tube fluorescents, LED's)
B) Distance from tops?
C) Reflector type? (cool tube set-up, bat wing, enclosed reflector, bare bulb...)
D) What are the bulb wattages, kelvin ratings, and schedule?
E) Is there a consistent fresh air supply?
F) Do you have an exhaust fan and a circulation fan?
G) Size of reservoir?

Your nutrients and water:
H) Source of water. (tap or filtered) What's it's ph?
I) Specific brand and N-P-K ratio for each bottle. List dosages (quantity per gallon) and current feeding schedule.
J) What is the ec/ppm of your unadjusted tap (or filtered) water?
K) What is the ec/ppm of your nutrient solution?
L) What is the temperature of your nutrient solution? (reservoir high and low temps)
M) Does your ec/ppm show a rise or fall when you do your daily PPM check?
N) Does the ph fluctuate?
O) Do you foliar feed? If so, with what, how often, and at what time do you
spray? (Just after lights come on, just before they go out...)
P) How often do you replace reservoir water/nutes?

Your growroom:
Q) What size of closet, room or hut?
R) What are the temps and humidity levels while lights are on? ...With lights off?
S) Have you seen signs of insects in the growroom?
T) Are the roots long and white, or brown and slimy?

Your strain:
U) What strain are you growing? (Indica dominate or Sativa dom?)
V) From seeds or clones?[/QUOTE]
W) Is this an autoflower strain?

looks good rusty. now if we can get a sticky! anyone? anyone? anyone with sticky ablility slap a sticky on that thing!

rusty, what do you think? should it be copied and pasted in with questions? i guess what i'm getting as is a set of directions for people to read BEFORE (hopefully) they start to fill it out. for a standard of uniformity, ya know?

looks good!


-shake

maybe one for out door like environment,hours of shade, direct sun, in the ground, in a pot, condition of local soil if mixed and maybe locally grown crops


nice job:jointsmile:

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Originally Posted by headshake

rusty, what do you think? should it be copied and pasted in with questions? i guess what i'm getting as is a set of directions for people to read BEFORE (hopefully) they start to fill it out. for a standard of uniformity, ya know?

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If they copy and paste, they can easily provide answers after each question. At least I'd think so...and the easier they make us understand their circumstances, the better the chance of their success. (neatness counts, and detention if work not shown) :jointsmile: Answers in bold would be nice, too. Easier to scan the list. :thumbsup:

But if history is any indication, it'll get filled out many different ways. Sort of a quasi Rorschach test, lol.

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Originally Posted by phatsesh101

maybe one for out door like environment,hours of shade, direct sun, in the ground, in a pot, condition of local soil if mixed and maybe locally grown crops

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Well, someone with outdoor experience could likely throw one together with more insight than I, but it's a damn good Idea and I'm bummed I didn't think of it. <sticks tongue out at phatsesh>
(were you by chance volunteering?)

hey Rusty, would you mind if i copy and pasted this on another forum?

Umm...I personally don't mind, but I'd ask a mod before doing so...I guess. Seems it would be the right thing to do. :thumbsup:

i think we are missing res temp and did you pre soak your medium under the hydro section.

-shake

Res temp is L. on the list, but no...didn't do the ph'ing the rockwool one.

Am curious why FBR never answered my request for guidance regarding this project. I asked him a couple of times if and how I should approach this, but nada.. I wonder...do I take his silence as acquiescence or disapproval...?

Has anyone with outdoor experience put any thought into the outdoors form?