ABC: Americans Want To Be Surveilled

yes! the poll says people actually want to be slaves!

ABC: Americans Want To Be Surveilled
Poll indicates majority want to give up liberty for security

Steve Watson
Infowars.net
Monday, July 30, 2007

[align=left] An ABC poll has revealed that two thirds of Americans are willing to accept heightened government intrusion on privacy and support the increased use of surveillance cameras to solve crime.
ABC states that 71 percent of Americans favor the increased use of surveillance cameras, while 25 percent oppose it. [/align]

[align=left] Critics, such as the American Civil Liberties Union, have opposed such systems, arguing that they invade privacy, and could be used to track innocent people. Nonetheless, majority support for surveillance cameras crosses political, ideological and population groups, albeit with differences in degree, the reports suggests.
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[align=left]The report makes reference to London's surveillance network, known as the "Ring of Steel," which is said to have aided in the capture of suspects, including those accused of a pair of attempted car bombings in June. [/align]
What it does not report however is that in addition to London being the most surveilled city in the world with 4 million cameras, it also has an extremely high crime rate. A recent report highlighted that despite one 650-yard section of a major London road being surveilled by over 100 cameras, it is also one of the most crime ridden roads in the country.
At the time, police disclosed there had been 430 offences committed over six months on Holloway Road, including 29 serious assaults, 15 robberies and 32 burglaries, including two murders, the report states.

Statistics show that CCTV does not reduce crime. A 2005 Home Office study concluded that "most CCTV systems do not cut crime or make people feel safer. Of 14 closed circuit television camera schemes examined by criminologists, only one - for car parks - was shown to reduce offences."
The study, Assessing the impact of CCTV, was published two years ago and described how the nation's CCTV networks had been built on an unfounded belief that CCTV was effective.
In addition a recent report by an advisory body for the industry, CameraWatch, which has the backing of the police and the Information Commissionerâ??s Office, claimed that 90% of CCTV is used illegally and could potentially be inadmissible in court.

[align=left]Should the major cities of America go the way of London in terms of accepting the Big Brother state, the following is what Americans have to look forward to:
Being watched 24/7 from large underground bunkers.
X-ray firing cameras hidden in lamp posts that can see through your clothes.
Cameras that monitor conversations in the street using high-powered microphones attached to CCTV cameras.
Cameras that shout orders at you in the street for stepping out of line.
The shouting cameras have been on the table for a long time and were spotted in London, along with large black megaphone appendages, up to one year ago:

In an even more frightening and conniving move it has today been revealed that the bureaucrats behind the cameras will use recordings of children's voices to discourage any adult they target from dissenting and shouting back at the cameras. [/align]
The use of children's voices to control adult behaviour is all out psychological warfare when you consider that it constitutes a total reversal of social norms. The government knows this full well and justifies it by suggesting that some people in the UK are now so devoid of morality that there is no way of setting that right other than by ritualistic public isolation and humiliation.

What does it say about the state of a society in general that the government has given up on a portion of people and has decided that the best course of action is to extradite them and label them as fair game for methods of control that wouldn't look out of place in a horrific dystopian science fiction film?
The current divisions within society are frightening. We have reached the point where the general public is willing to accept massive invasions of their own privacy in order to deal with people they consider to be a bit of a nuisance from time to time.
It would not be surprising at all to see some people reveling in the control, egging on the shouting cameras and engaging in a proverbial "two minutes hate" against those they no longer dare stand up to themselves because they, quite rightly, fear for their own safety if they were to do so.
The most dangerous form of tyranny is one that has the consent of the people.
At the other end of the social divide the "louts" and "yobs" that are the primary target of such control mechanisms feel so divorced from society that their only means of articulation is to resort to acts of violence and vandalism.
How is it possible that further alienating these people, and almost rubbing their faces in the fact, is going to solve the problem?
Because modern day government is so obsessed with short term appearance over long term reality we are witnessing the literal unraveling of society as each problem is provided a solution that in turn engenders an even worse set of problems.
In short, such surveillance state methods are greasing the skids for the police state. As the general public cry out for more and more state intervention in society, and the dropouts become more and more alienated and reactionary, there is only one place we are all going to end up.
In a culture where people are not instilled with internal limiters on their behaviors, increasing external limiters is demanded and thus must be provided. Welcome totalitarianism.


Behind Winston's back the voice from the telescreen was still babbling away about pig-iron and the overfulfilment of the Ninth Three-Year Plan. The telescreen received and transmitted simultaneously. Any sound that Winston made, above the level of a very low whisper, would be picked up by it, moreover, so long as he remained within the field of vision which the metal plaque commanded, he could be seen as well as heard. There was of course no way of knowing whether you were being watched at any given moment. How often, or on what system, the Thought Police plugged in on any individual wire was guesswork. It was even conceivable that they watched everybody all the time. But at any rate they could plug in your wire whenever they wanted to. You had to live -- did live, from habit that became instinct -- in the assumption that every sound you made was overheard, and, except in darkness, every movement scrutinized.
"Smith!" screamed the shrewish voice from the telescreen. "6079 Smith W.! Yes, you! Bend lower, please! You can do better than that. You're not trying. Lower, please! That's better, comrade. Now stand at ease, the whole squad, and watch me."
- George Orwell, 1984.

I love being surveilled it protects us from the evil brown people........................hey im fixing to hang a huge flag outside my home..upside down...and dare these thugs say something to me.........so if i come missing you know the dare worked

awesome...you should put up a sign that says "www.infowars.com" or "www.ronpaul2008.com" ... or something like that...

already---i keep on forgetting i live in New NewMexico so they might not give a crap or theyll send mexican troops over heres........this is sad, American your one SAD case get sum help,,,i heard canada wants to help......This is the fuckin USA

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Originally Posted by eg420ne

I love being surveilled it protects us from the evil brown people

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Well, it worked for London. I wouldn't mind if they put them in terrorist targets like lower NYC.

If the people of New York City or other high-risk areas want the cameras, those that live in less threatened places have no right to stop them from doing it. If they'd gone through what we have, they'd want them too.

I suppose that you think terrorists have the right to take pictures of their targets, but the government has no right to take pictures of terrorists. Well, you're wrong, as usual. Terrorists' plans to attack lower NYC (and other areas) again, after 9/11, were found, along with pictures, diagrams, and blueprints.

Your constant complaints about the Mexicans wears thin, especially when you imply that suspicians cast towards Muslims are race-related. The Muslim extremeists from the Middle East are the same race as I am, and I find them far more dangerous than a Mexican who is working off the books in my local store.

Also from ABC News:


London: City Under Surveillance
Police Gain Crucial Tip on Bomb Plot Thanks to Cameras Around Town
June 29, 2007 â??


London police caught a major break in Friday's thwarted bomb plot when they found an image of the driver of one of the vehicles left in Piccadilly Circus with the help of a surveillance camera.


Residents in the British capital are among the most watched people on Earth. Since the Sept. 11 attacks the number of cameras in Britain has jumped from 1 million to around 5 million. That means people in London are caught on camera roughly 300 times a day, with the closed-circuit television cameras placed on corners around the city.


"We're allowing it because we are angry and fed up with crime and disorder," said Clive Norris, a University of Sheffield professor. "We're allowing it because we are frightened by terrorism, with good reason."

And they've worked. The cameras helped investigators locate the terror suspects who killed 52 people on London's trains and buses on July 7, 2005. They were filmed boarding a train that morning and identified using CCTV, or closed-circuit television, images.

"They have been incredibly useful to police in preventing crime, in detecting crime and of course providing evidence that can then convict criminals at court," said security analyst Charles Shoebridge.


Police are now poring over video footage from the latest bomb plot, looking for details about the two cars that were packed with explosives in central London that were found before any damage occurred.

"They can monitor back the movements of that car and also forward, where the suspects may well have gone," Shoebridge explained.


Security sources told ABC News they already have a crystal clear image of a man "staggering from the Mercedes" outside the Tiger, Tiger nightclub where one car was found.



Copyright © 2007 ABC News Internet Ventures

ABC News: Bomb Plot: Caught on Tape?

Just one thing dude.....If the WAR ON TERROR was for real then the BORDERS would be CLOSED...PERIOD................................... ......I repeat IF THE WAR ON TERROR WAS FOR REAL THEN THE BORDERS WOULD BE CLOSED......I ll even say it in spanish....SI la guerra en terror estuviera para verdadero entonces las fronteras serÃ*an cerradas

Since i doubt is sinks in BA.....I'lll repeat it again even doh i dont speak newyorkin you should still be able to understand.......................If this Phony War On Terror is real then the BORDERS would be CLOSED....PERIOD.......................No Ifs ANDs or BUTTs about it

Hey im am commited to the USA, the Republic of the USA... Not the Fear of the USSA

yes, that alone should scream FRAUD to people...we need to have cameras everywhere, the evil freedom hating terrorists are going to take our freedom away...but let's leave the border open...

and we're also supposed to believe that fighting them in some other country around the world would mean they wouldn't do anything here...that doesn't make any sense...we're supposed to believe there are terrorists everywhere yet there's no car bombs or "suicide" bombers or anything going on here? just some fake attacks in early stages with government infiltrators?

the whole thing is a fraud perpetrated by those claiming to want to protect our freedom in an effort to turn us into a pan American union dictatorship...

there will be another attack when the globalists feel we're ready for the next stage of tyranny...some people seem more than ready...

They dont care, all they care about is that false sense that our government loves us to death and only wants to protect us while giving tickets for every lil thing............But oooooohh dont worry about the borders they stay wide open for REAL criminals........

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Originally Posted by eg420ne

They dont care, all they care about is that false sense that our government loves us to death and only wants to protect us while giving tickets for every lil thing............But oooooohh dont worry about the borders they stay wide open for REAL criminals........

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I'll drink to that: the borders are wide open. When will people see this and get a grip. It's not only Mexicans looking for work that can cross anytime they want, but all the bad motherfuckers that want to kill us. Bush and his phony war on terror has not addressed the Mexican border because the elites want cheap labor and he went to school with Vincente Fox. More cronyism.

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Originally Posted by eg420ne

already---i keep on forgetting i live in New NewMexico so they might not give a crap or theyll send mexican troops over heres........this is sad, American your one SAD case get sum help,,,i heard canada wants to help......This is the fuckin USA

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Please dont put ron paul 2008 on an upside down flag. I want him to win and you would only be ruining his chances.

Whatever dude. like i would put RonPauls name on our beloved flag, please......

Whats that supposed to mean? I just dont want people who see that stuff to automatically dismiss Ron Paul as being anti american and then not vote for him because of stuff like that.

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Originally Posted by pisshead

awesome...you should put up a sign that says "www.infowars.com" or "www.ronpaul2008.com" ... or something like that...

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Sorry eg420, this is the quoute I wanted to put up not yours.