i may b growing about 5 plants pretty soon and its gonna be like 90% for personal use. i was just wondering what the odds are that i will get busted and what are some things i should avoid that will get me busted?
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i may b growing about 5 plants pretty soon and its gonna be like 90% for personal use. i was just wondering what the odds are that i will get busted and what are some things i should avoid that will get me busted?
depends on who you tell:thumbsup:
thats grand....i trust everone that knows
Rule #1 Tell no one.
Rule #2 Read as much as possible
Rule #3 See rule #1
best bet dont tell anyone if people do know your starting tell them u changed your mind, really from my experience dont trust anyone %100 especially when it could end u up in jail
a few peps know bout my grow but there people that sell stuff anyway so wouldnt ever dream of even havin a conversation with the feds
but seriously if no1 knows then youve got no way of getting busted unless you tell someone that tells someone and so on
oh and id get rid of your pic if thats you on your aviater as now anyone can see who you are an know your gonna grow
good luck man
Don't talk
Don't deal
And I hate to say it, when you grow, dating becomes DANGEROUS. Go through a nasty breakup with someone who knows, you're FUCKED. Trust someone who has been through it. It hurts to have to get rid of your plants because you are trying to break up with someone.
I told one guy and he was the guy who got me my seeds. Then I told him I flushed my seeds cause I got nervous. Now only my wife knows I am growing anything and that is how I am going to keep it. Personally this is just kind of common sense to not broad cast it.
Well thats personally what I did anyway.
But of course knowing my luck I will get popped anyways lol.
Keep it secret. If you are the only one that knows, its a secret, if you tell *ANYBODY* else, its not a secret anymore.
Is this indoor or outdoor? Indoor is safer, as long as your plants are well-hidden.
The only guy that knows about my grow owns the house, so he's just as guilty. :)
well maybe for one thing not posting that u got a grow op on internet cause if cops r on here they can trace ur ip to ur house or sumthin
here i will throw them off his trail....
i am harboring osama in my pantry, i grow 52,000 acres of cocaa year, and run a cloned kiddy porn ring, to support alqueda and the democrats
LOL the sad thing is they will pop someone growing faster than they will take out a kiddy porn ring.Quote:
Originally Posted by HighTillIDie
Also if you don't want your ip changed get a proxy and read up on how to use the proxy in your current Inet browser. This will make it look like you IP is the one of the proxy while hidding your real ip address. Besure to also to get one that is annonymous. here is a list of free proxies but it is better to buy one because it is more stable. These free ones always stop working eventually. But the work great for browsing for a night. Hence it wont take you long to post on this board and your ip will be hidden on this board.
Proxy List 1 - Proxy 4 Free - Protect Your Online Privacy!
Hope that all helped.
Good luck. :bigsmoke:
that made me laugh. hard. hhahahahahahahahQuote:
Originally Posted by HighTillIDie
I am that guy, and now I know again!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by EvilCowboy420
Just kidding.:D
lol the bad thing is if you hadn't said "just kidding" I would have wrote a name with a question mark behind it lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tea Party
lol i wouldn't worry about blocking your ip... if they are really really gonna pursue you, like have you selected.... your ip is easily still gotten... the feds have some of the best hackers working for them... they hold most hacking conventions, seriously...
just understand when there is a large cash flow, you get stupid, or nark'd, is when you get caught... i can talk all i want about whatever on the net... pics COULD fuck you... but again are you supporting the block, or you and a couple buddies
You're screwing yourself postin ur picture here
Start off by changing the "like 90%" to "Like 100%."Quote:
Originally Posted by Q-tha-cannabis-king
just dont tell anyone.
they rule is if you have known someone for over five years then you can trust them to know that you grow. if not then keep your lip zipped.
sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeit... i wouldn't trust alot of people that i have known for 5 years with my grow...Quote:
Originally Posted by S.T.Oner
oh, maybe you meant been good friends with for 5 years...
DON"T TELL ANYONE... always think this, because you will inevitably tell a couple
I thought that in order to get our ip's, they had to bust the server(Like OG.com)?? If that is the case then if that were to happen would we not just "duck and cover"?? If this site went down then my 2 plants would be relocated immediately. I'm talking within hours until I knew for sure that it was technical or something.
What about you people?
^
| I would acid dip the plants and let the pigs eat the stems, They could have tapped
| your line already and marching to your front door right now, with all that 2 plant
| talk. I can see the 15 cops working on your case right now reading "2 plants" get
| the dogs and the choppers were going in. I like to think I am important also and its
kinda fun to think the cops care about you.
2 plants lol
Hey who said I had to limit my paranoia? If I want to I can believe there reading my keystrokes as they leave my PC to the Net. I may be over paranoid but I've also never been busted for even a roach. So while my friends are saying to relax a little, I'm writing to them in jail :wtf: . I'll stay on the paranoid side thanks.
It depends. If you are in Cali, then the legalities are different. Do you have your 215?
OK general rules, if you are doing anything you are worried about, remember to follow all other laws. Make it always look like you are in compliance. No speeding, no loud parties, nothing that will draw negative attention. Discretion is the word of the day.
Even if they get your IP, so what? Consider the media ramifications of them bursting into some old lady's home in the middle of the night and giving her a heart attack, then finding nothing except an unsecured wireless router. Lawsuit city there.
For security, as mentioned: no parties, no disturbing the peace, no loud dogs barking, no hippies coming over if you can avoid it, no large amounts of foot traffic, nothing in sight from any window or from aircraft, no smell, and never put incriminating stuff in your trash. If you have to dump some trash, dump it the same morning they pick it up, and dump it in a trash receptacle at least a block away. Also, I highly recommend having lots of potted plants and/or a garden around, so if you should need to get some deliveries, you've got a clear, visible purpose for such things. Plus, it's healthy and good for the environment. ;)
Posted by jamstigator:
"Even if they get your IP, so what? Consider the media ramifications of them bursting into some old lady's home in the middle of the night and giving her a heart attack, then finding nothing except an unsecured wireless router. Lawsuit city there."
Ok ok good point! Guess I never thought of that lol. They would probably have a hard time even getting that warrant.
And I've always had many plants around the house and a well known aquarium so nothing I do around the house ever seems suspicious. I'm always dumping 5gal buckets of dirty tank water into the many plants around the house. Any of my neighbors have seen me doing my aquarium/plant thing at least 50 times since I moved here. And most of them have been to see my fish.
:thumbsup:
Yeah, I highly doubt that an IP address and some logs are enough for a warrant. Might be enough for them to go take a look around, but if there's nothing to see or smell, no complaints from the neighbors, nothing in your public trash bins that's suspicious, well...that's about the end of the road for them.
Same goes for helicopter surveillance and thermal imaging, at least in the U.S. - they can't thermally image your house, see 20 1k lights, then get a warrant. Why? Because the Supreme Court has decreed that thermally imaging someone's home *is* a search and thus requires a warrant *before* they do it. And if they have a warrant already, then there's no point in wasting helicopter time or using expensive thermal imagers when they've got bored cops willing to tear homes apart and lotsa cheap squad cars. But I'm sure they do cheat a little, by thermally imaging entire neighborhoods, seeing where the lights are, then snooping around those homes to see if they can find some evidence that *would* allow a warrant. But again, if there's nothing to see, nothing to smell, no complaints from neighbors, no suspicious foot traffic, well...the road ends there, again. (Not to mention, there's nothing at all illegal about buying some 1k lights and having an indoor tropical bonsai garden or some peppers or whatever.)
Technically correct, but in essence not so much. While the IP and logs probably wouldn't be enough to get a warrant, it could easily be enough for them to get a subpoena that they can take to your ISP and ask for all your contact info as well as your surfing habits. It would be up to your ISP as to whether or not they'll fight the subpoena, but don't hold your breath :DQuote:
Originally Posted by jamstigator
It also depends on how damaging your logs are. Even though it's on a pro-MJ board, a thread like this won't hurt you. But some of the grow journals I've seen ARE enough to get a warrant, once they've established who actually took the pics and made the posts.
As far as internet security goes, if you're posting any thing, especially pics, regarding growing, purchasing, or possessing any significant quantities then you better have some sort of proxy set up. For the most part, the best ones cost money and the very best ones are located in the EU, especially in Germany, which has some of the toughest privacy laws in the world.
Alternately, consider using Tor (google it heh). Tor uses basically the same techniques that hackers use to hide their tracks - it daisy-chains data requests through multiple computers located all over the world before the request actually goes out to the web. The main difference is that a hacker uses involuntarily hijacked computers and the network Tor uses is created by people who have given permission for their machines to be part of the network. The effect is the same though - a randomly changing IP address that's almost impossible to trace.
OK, so now what do I do? The seeds I ordered from a foreign country were confiscated by someone. The envelope showed up all nicely addressed, and with a return address to a post office box in this other country. But the envelope was slit open, the contents were removed, and the envelope was stapled shut. No explanation; no warning; no nothing.
So now do I start worrying about getting raided? I'm thinking that since I received no explanation, then it wasn't the USPS. Don't they HAVE TO tell me if they've intervened in my mail delivery? Since I got the envelope at all, then I doubt that it is my local mail carrier himself. The slit in the envelope was not done by a machine, and the staples appear to be from the manual-type stapler, and not a high-capacity "cut from wire on the fly" machine type. I'm thinking the postal service in this other country (known for their seed exports) checks some samplings of curious envelopes, and they stop so many shipments a year. Do I have to worry about them contacting Johnny Law over here?
I have a small grow, for personal consumption, and I have a small amount of finished product in my home. It wouldn't be hard for an investigator to make a case against me since I've purchased most everything on-line during the past few years. But I am very SMALL TIME. Will they bother with me, or are they looking for bigger fish to fry?
Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean that they AREN'T after me.
boyMIstoned, i doubt that they would waste time with you (nothing personal ;) lol, i mean as a small time personal grower). at worst they would send a car around to "check for suspicious activities" - smell of mj, lights on 24 hours a day etc.
think of it this way - the big time growers who they are trying to catch are not growing from seeds......
they have many many mother plants that produce lots and lots of clones.
i don't know though, the police in your area may be trying to achieve their quota. if they have to get their quota then they may just keep digging for information....
Just relax any body could have ordered seeds to your house... They cant kick in the door, cause you ordered seeds to a persons house you hate.
This hasn't happened to me - my one and only order made it through fine - but I've heard of it happening to others. It wasn't done by USPS, it was US Customs. Most likely you'll get a letter from them in the next few days indicating that they found contraband in your mail and ceased it...and that'll be the end of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoyMIStoned
they can and will get a warrant they got a warrant to my house for a damn grow light so you might want to watch out
The best way to hide your IP is in plain sight: you use someone else's unsecured wireless router, in an entirely different building. That's what I do. So if they wanna track me down by my IP address, that's fine, because it's actually a lawyer lady's IP address, and she does have a bad heart. If they burst into her home and it kills her, they'll be using their discretionary budget to pay off her family for *years*. Hell, even if it doesn't kill her, she'd still go into a lawsuit frenzy and take them for every dollar they have. Lawyers with unsecured routers are a stoner's best friend! She's not even the only lawyer in this neighborhood with an unsecured router either. Guy nearby is a prosecutor for the city. It'd be *hilarious* if someone burst into *his* house, because he's the guy who prosecutes possession cases.
Use tor, and torbutton (for web surfing). Also, you might want to use an encrypted file system, and have thermite nearby, so you can fry your harddrive! Just kidding. Tor would be fine, as they would have a very difficult time getting your inf0z then.
In all reality, they would rather spend time trying to bust big grow ops, rather than small ones. But if they were bored, maybe they may look into you! Doubt it, though. Just make sure on the internet you are as anonymous as possible. Fake all the information you can, especially your IP address (by using proxy networks like Tor).
And you really think this makes your connection secure?Quote:
Originally Posted by jamstigator
No offense, man, but cops can be stupid, but they're not THAT stupid. People freeloading of an unsecured router is quite common, and you can bet you're ass that any cop involved with computer related investigation knows it.
So, Mr. Cop decides sees your pictures of your most recent grow and decides he wants to check it out. He gets your IP info and traces it back to Sarah Jones, lawyer, age 63. He realizes immediately that she doesn't fit the profile of who he's looking for. So he goes out to the building and pops open his laptop and, sure enough, there's the unsecured router. So he can easily guess that poor Ms. Jones isn't the culprit.
But here's the real kicker...
Not only does finding this unsecurred router NOT mean the end of his search, finding it has just made his job a whole lot easier. Because if the router is unsecurred, so is every transmission you're making to it. It will take him less than 60 seconds to set up a connection with your computer and start capturing everything you transmit. And no, he doesn't need a warrant to do this, because anything that crosses the open air is considered to be in the public domain.
Oh, and one last pleasant thought....freeloading of someone else's wireless router, secured or otherwise, is a federal offense. As soon as he identifies you, he's got grounds to take you in for questioning, as well as for getting a warrant to seize your computer.