Do you believe in aliens?

I absolutely do. I think anyone who thinks that humans are the only life in the whole universe are extremely selfish. just to think that theres only one species in a massive stretch of infinity is just... stupid in my opinion.

heres my reasoning...

ok lets go back to the 1500s. there was the europeans in europe and the indians in america. now, 1492 comes along columbus (any given species) sails the ocean blue (space) on a sailboat (spaceship) and discovers a new land (planet) and finds on this new land a new race of people (alien race).

you can even broaden this out and say that instead of traveling from one planet to the next, they travel from one solar system to the next, or hell from one galaxy to another.

weve proven this on our own planet that it is possible, and im sure the europeans were thinking they were the only continent on earth with people on it. but they traveled across a large body and found another land with a new race on it.

and i told this to my uncle and his argument was why havent we heard from anyone yet, and if theres been all these ufo sightings why hasnt anyone had real proof of them. well in my opinion i dont think theres intelligent life in our solarsystem but i could be wrong. i would even say that we wont be contacted or wont discover ourselves another species for a very long time. until weve perfected space travel or another species of travelers comes across little ol earth.

it makes sense to me and i think its a good analogy to use for the subject. everything is relative, its just how big the traveled distance is and what the species look like thats different.

ill be the first to say that im not stoned and i thought of this :greenthumb:

Yeah but I dont think there flying around in space ships and shit like it the movies. I dont think they even kind of look like us. I assume other life is probably like microbes and stuff. But your right, its selfish to assume were all alone in the whole galaxy. Thats insane.

would you say that were the smartest race out there?

i wouldnt, out of millions and millions of lightyears of space starts and planets there has to be a race of beings with access to different types of technology than us. the minerals and metals and liquids of their planets would be different than ours and could have properties that make them more useful for certain jobs and all that... lol

i would say were somewhere in the middle if anything, theres definately more primitive and definately more advanced in my opinion.

but who knows, maybe we are alone in the universe.. but i doubt it :)

I do believe there is a strong likelihood that life has existed somewhere else in the universe, somewhere else amongst the billion billion billion billion galaxies and billion billion billion billion billion billion stars, either presently or in the past. It's the Anthropic Principle. However, have any of them visited us? No.

I dunno if were the smartest b/c I dont know if there is anything or anyone out there to compare but who knows. I wouldn't say yeah b/c then id feel like some sort of self rightious asshole. Hell I say if there actually are the "greys" and such then were probably less intelligent than them. But I doubt they exist. It seems too predictable.

too predictable, thats partly the reason i believe. why wouldnt there be something else out there amongst the vast collection of stars space and planets that is the universe.

Exactly ^

Yes indeed!!! I will not go further than that.

Lets just say that "humans" are much older than previously realized.

i always thought women were aliens, anything that bleeds for 5 days and dont die can't be human. lol

Yeah im pretty sure if one of you guys started bleeding from the who ha you'd probably pass out

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hi reb, pass out i wouldn't, probally die of fright though lol.

hahahah I can imagine. OMG IM BLEEDING! HURRY GET ME TO THE EMERGENCY ROOM!

There is no question of there being other life out in our universe, I'd even say intelligent life is probably fairly common. But I feel to to the pure vastness of space, the entire reason that there is likely life is the exact reason why no life has ever or probably will ever contact or visit us. There is just too much distance. If we were finally develop the technology to actually look upon planets around other stars, any life we found we'd be looking at would be long long gone by thousands, millions, to billions of years ago.

i was just discussing this and was laughed at lmao.. Space is unlimited... their has to be other life forms.. we can't be the only ones in space lol it's stupid to think that way..

Do you believe in other "human branches", like Nordics (Blondes)?

Supposedly, according to the Sumerians...Terran homo sapiens are the artificial creation of man ape and aliens (advanced humans). Loom in your Bible in Genesis and you will find a similar story. Basically, it allowed us to have what is called a "soul" and made us Divine.

Australopithecus is supposedly the ancestor of today's Big Foot creatures, They evolved into them......so if humans were PURELY descendants of apes too...than we should be much bigger and stronger naturally without exercise than we are now.

I am not sure what genus they used to make us. Some say it was homo erectus.

Simple as is: As big as the universe is, there is NO WAY IN HELL that we are the only intelligent lifeforms in it. Its just simply not to be believed. Anyone who does believe were alone, is simply ignorant.

hehe, now besides multiple lifeforms and dimensions...what if I told you that for every universe and whats contained in it, there are 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 other universes!!! That is 10 to the 46th power universes!

Quite frankly, the current human mind would have a hard time discovering other dimensions and alien races in just this universes, let alone accept the fact of parallel universes too!

The Great Mysteries is what makes life worth living sometimes.

it trips me out how big the universe is, there HAS to be life out there somehwere!

I don't think anybody anywhere really claims that alien life doesn't exist at all, except for some religious folk who think the whole universe was created solely for the benefit of mankind. But the non-religious skeptic of the possible existence of alien lifeforms is a straw man used by UFO nuts to attack people who don't think Farmer Jim-Bob really got an anal probe from a Martian. That kind of skeptic doesn't exist. Nobody says there's any proof alien life doesn't exist, but a lot of us are saying that we just don't see any extraordinary evidence supporting the extraordinary claim of encounters with beings that did not evolve on our planet.

There's a huge difference between doubting the existence of extraterrestrials who are visiting Earth and doubting the possibility of extraterrestrials existing anywhere else in the universe. I think it's incredibly improbable that we're being visited by aliens, but I also think it's incredibly improbable that Earth harbors the only life in the universe.

to believe that there isn't some other form of intelligent life in the infinite that is space, is not only ignorant, but egotistical and conceited...

I just read something yesterday, about the properties of plasma, and how plasma and electromagnetic forces tend to form DNA-like helical structures, replicate, move, and exhibit other properties one normally associates with life. If there is plasma-based life, then it's probably the most common form of life in the universe, as the universe is comprised primarily of plasma. Wouldn't it be interesting if crude, planet-bound, matter-based lifeforms like those on our planet are the minority?

well, there is definitely intelligence outside of this earth plane.
I would vote, YES!

The Earth is not a plane. It is a sphere.

the earth is just a speck of dust compared to all that exists and all that is possible. It would be absurd and illogical to think that there isn't intelligent life elsewhere. I doubt that we'll be visited by aliens. I'm sure that other civilizations would exploit their resources in a technological race and fuck up their ecosystem and doom themselves back to the stone ages before getting to the point of intergalactic space travel, kind of like how we are doing.

If there were a race of aliens that were capable of contacting us, they would have to be morally superior to achieve advanced technology without killing themselves first, and as such they would probably have moral statutes precluding them from contacting us because we wouldn't be ready and it wouldn't help our productivity. Kind of like the prime directive in star trek.

On the other hand, they might decide that it would be morally responsible to inform us of our inevitable demise, unless they've tried that with other races and no one listens

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Originally Posted by Oneironaut

The Earth is not a plane. It is a sphere.

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i'm sure you've considered the way our perception distorts any object. Considering we see our outer reality through the inside of our brains, it is an illusion that the earth is a sphere. When I say the "earth plane" I meant it as the nonphysical boundaries of our experiences.

They probably exist in my opinion, all they do is steal corn anyway...

I'm not entirely sure that the aliens wouldn't announce their presence if they stumbled across us in their interstellar travels. If they're really that concerned about our well-being, wouldn't they tell us how to evade the dangers of global warming, nuclear holocaust, and overpopulation? Are they going to wait until the last minute to intervene on our behalf just before we wipe ourselves out? I think they would realize that an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure, and that the right thing to do is to come to our aid well before it's too late.

Anyhow, I wouldn't expect the aliens to be morally perfect angels. They may indeed have more advanced moralities than we do, just as we consider ourselves to have more sophisticated moralities than our slave-owning anti-democratic racist ancestors. But I bet they would still get in situations where they acted in their own self-interest rather than out of empathy for others. Perfection, I suspect, is an impossible achievement.

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Originally Posted by CYRAX

They probably exist in my opinion, all they do is steal corn anyway...

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lol, yes they do. Next question please?

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Originally Posted by xblackdogx

i'm sure you've considered the way our perception distorts any object. Considering we see our outer reality through the inside of our brains, it is an illusion that the earth is a sphere. When I say the "earth plane" I meant it as the nonphysical boundaries of our experiences.

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It is not an illusion that the Earth is a sphere. Look at any satellite picture. If the word "sphere" means anything, the Earth is clearly an example of one.

And what do you mean by "nonphysical boundaries"? If something is nonphysical, what is it? How can something exist yet not be in the physical universe? I don't understand. It's like trying to imagine a number that's 2 and 3 at the same time. Everything I've ever confirmed as existing has been something physical in the physical universe. I don't see any evidence of the existence of anything nonphysical, or the possibility that there is a way of existing besides physical existence, and I can't even imagine what kind of evidence could possibly be counted as evidence of something nonphysical. Reality = physicality.

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Originally Posted by Oneironaut

I'm not entirely sure that the aliens wouldn't announce their presence if they stumbled across us in their interstellar travels. If they're really that concerned about our well-being, wouldn't they tell us how to evade the dangers of global warming, nuclear holocaust, and overpopulation? Are they going to wait until the last minute to intervene on our behalf just before we wipe ourselves out? I think they would realize that an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure, and that the right thing to do is to come to our aid well before it's too late.

Anyhow, I wouldn't expect the aliens to be morally perfect angels. They may indeed have more advanced moralities than we do, just as we consider ourselves to have more sophisticated moralities than our slave-owning anti-democratic racist ancestors. But I bet they would still get in situations where they acted in their own self-interest rather than out of empathy for others. Perfection, I suspect, is an impossible achievement.

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What about free will? They may be waiting to intervene when man has evolved more and will ask for the help of outside intelligence.

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Originally Posted by Oneironaut

It is not an illusion that the Earth is a sphere. Look at the attached photo. If the word "sphere" means anything, this is clearly an example of one.

And what do you mean by "nonphysical boundaries"? If something is nonphysical, what is it? How can something exist yet not be in the physical universe? I don't understand. It's like trying to imagine a number that's 2 and 3 at the same time. Everything I've ever confirmed as existing has been something physical in the physical universe. I don't see any evidence of the existence of anything nonphysical, or the possibility that there is a way of existing besides physical existence, and I can't even imagine what kind of evidence could possibly be counted as evidence of something nonphysical. Reality = physicality.

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everything in "physicality" is made up of [concept] and [form] ; one is nonphysical, the other is "physical"... therefore,
REALITY = nonphysical + physical = EXPERIENCE

"How can something exist yet not be in the physical universe?"
That is the mystery of existence. Finding the nonphysical part of you is the key to realizing how things come and go.