Okay... Now i'm angry.

The latest in the British media onslaught on cannabis has just about pushed it over the fucking edge.. I've been tracing articles and watching the news specials on it for weeks and now I've had enough.

Front page major newspaper headline this morning: "Cannabis: Risk In One Joint", and an accompanying article on how a single joint almost doubles your chances of developing a psychotic illness.. continued on 4 a full comprehensive cannabis bashing article complete with murderous nutters that obviously drew their inspiration for gruesome multiple murders from a beautiful plant.

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Son of a nurse at Broadmoor Thomas Palmer butchered two of his friends during a woodland walk after his mind was warped by smoking skunk - a particularly potent form of cannabis.

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William Jaggs, a 23-year-old Oxford University student and prolific cannabis user, stabbed fashion designer Lucy Braham 66 times

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And of course the three oh so necessary profile picture comments:

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Prolific cannabis user and killer

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Drug-crazed killer

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Mind warped by smoking skunk

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So what've we got here... I'm seeing 'butchered', 'warped', 'stabbed', 'killer', 'drug-crazed'.... BTW this is all in an article about cannabis. I'm fucking sickened.

Personally I wouldn't reccomend it, but if you want to read more: Smoking just one cannabis joint raises danger of mental illness by 40% | the Daily Mail

Peace everyone.

i love how they choose to 'view' things like this...

i mean first isn't it just mildly possible the people with issues (depression anxiety etc) use weed to help with those problems?

second... isn't it just a slight possiblity those mother fuckers were crazy from the get-go...?

there's a quote from chris rock that fits so perfectly at this time...

"whatever happened to crazy? can't you just be crazy no more?"

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Originally Posted by slipknotpsycho

i love how they choose to 'view' things like this...

i mean first isn't it just mildly possible the people with issues (depression anxiety etc) use weed to help with those problems?

second... isn't it just a slight possiblity those mother fuckers were crazy from the get-go...?

there's a quote from chris rock that fits so perfectly at this time...

"whatever happened to crazy? can't you just be crazy no more?"

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Haha good analysis of the situation.. and damn.. chris rock.. haven't seen any of his stuff in time..

But yeah man if these profiled people are just using weed to cover up their problems then things are gonna happen.. its absolutely fucking out of order that it's being blamed on cannabis. It actually says in the article that these people have used other drugs, c*ke was mentioned.. fuck knows what else.

It amazes me that bullshit like that is still accepted in the news, just like it was in the 20's and 30's. Its like the movie Reefer Madness. I am amazed at how a media source can print such garbage. But whats sad is that theres not a damn thing we can do about it. Its like preaching to someone whos a jehova Witness. Its a lost cause. Their minds have already been tainted by the bullshit.

haha its what I do

It's funny how they are always saying shit like this when new medicinal marijuana bills are being passed all the time and states are making medicinal marijuana legal. Idiots.

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Originally Posted by KingsBlend420

It's funny how they are always saying shit like this when new medicinal marijuana bills are being passed all the time and states are making medicinal marijuana legal. Idiots.

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erm.... this is from the uk, not us... lol

See all you guys in 20 years when we'll ALL BE SKITZO ;)

^ You mean your not already? hahah;)

I don't know, what is reality :stoned:

I dunno hun but my 3 other voices are arguing right now.....and I think their doing it in Spanish

I've been pissed off since i started smoking it, because this has always been around, and now it's more than ever, and it's more bullshit than ever. Everything these idiots are saying is fabricated crap. People lap it up coz it's there. BUT it's not true. None of it is. Every single little thing they say is complete crap. That's the media for you.

In todays paper they had an article all about phycosis and they said smoking it regular increases chances of cannabis phycosis 200% and then at the end in small they put that it's not a definate link. BUT they make it out that it is, and that's the bit people pay attention too. They only put that on the very end to save themselves. It's all CRAP.

When are we going to loose our temper? Coz im loosing mine now, and i want something done. Like i said before, it's all very well being peaceful about it, but we've been doing that since it was made illegal - it's just not working. Not with people having to read this shit.

light a blunt,sit back n watch the news an laugh at all those cocksuckers that don't know what they're missing...

The media get's it's money from pharmaceutical companies for posting stories llike that. Money talks and everyone listens.
If as much money was put toward the legalization of weed as there is from the pharmaceutical companies to keep it illegal, we would not have these problems.
They can't control it, they do not want it out there.
If it were Mcniel or Glaxo-Smith-Kline growing and supplying the world with weed, it would be legal. That you can count on.
It is just like the oil companies killing the fully electric car, they were threatened and murdered a complete car design that was good for the enviroment and people wanted.

pg 4 of todays times pisses me off.

They say that they've managed to convert many ministers who had a liberal view on it. It's getting to a point where it's complete indiscriminate brainwashing.

It's time to scapegoat another drug to divert attention. We have a serious drug problem in this country but not weed. I know loads of my old mates doing heroin, but not real heroin, chasing the dragon on foil, I have old mates who do crack. Another mate I know is an alcoholic at 16, he drinks everyday.

My god, weed is bad....they're just choking cause nobody's died yet. I think it's to weaken the supporters, but were winning.

Number of cannabis use has fallen since being downgraded, so where's the logic in reclassification.

Sort out the real problem.

Also the majority of experiments done are to try and prove that it's extremely harmful, the only harm is that smoking just is bad for your lungs and also some people with existing mental conditions can and cannot benefit, but they categorize everyone as one type., but they don't mention vaporising on the news now do they?

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Originally Posted by Jah420

Smoking just one cannabis joint raises danger of mental illness by 40% | the Daily Mail

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Yeah but what they don't realise is that reading just one edition of The Daily Mail increases the likelihood of you being out of your fucking mind by about 110%. I'll take the slightly lesser risk, it's more fun anyway.

The UK Ladies and Gents should all get together in London and hold some sort of protest. Have signs stating people who have done good and smoked cannabis, or are doing good and smoke cannabis. Not only that but holding up signs of people who have done good but have also committed crimes.

Fastspider's right boys and girls, it is all about big pharm and MONEY.
That being said, I believe that if screenwriters took up the cause and showed the reality of marijuana, its mainstream use by responsible citizens, eventually we can get people to learn- for example:
films depicting homosexuality more realistically have helped further the cause of acceptance of gay people and gay marriage, and I think if we want marijuana use to become decriminalized in people's minds, we have to fight against these stereotypes the same way. In the 70's "All in the Family" was groundbreaking comedy exposing all sorts of isms- racism, sexism, etc. We could do the same, with humor, to debunk the myths of reefer madness etc. Now we have some cable shows about pot, but we really need widespread tv and film treatments that show the truth to the deluded masses! We need painters and poets willing to speak clearly. We need to change the perception of a country, and since we are a media obsessed nation, what better way to reach millions? So I say- create! We need a bunch of pot-smoking "Friends" on TV who aren't lazy slackers :stoned: We need "Sex in the City" with a gorgeous bong on the coffee table! We need to show CEOs smoking dank at the end of a very profitable day! I am hoping to develop something along these lines and would welcome any ideas:D

That's such a lie! Most of the stoners I know are very chill, relaxed, and loving people:)

Well lets see. One joint doubles your chance of schizophrenia, 1/3 of Americans have admitted to using cannabis at some point in their lives, and the number is probably larger. That means 100 million people should be at double risk for szhizophrenia. Checking out Schizophrenia.com - Schizophrenia Fact and Schizophrenia Statistics , the following is their explanation, copy/pasted for the cause of schizophrenia.
Today the leading theory of why people get schizophrenia is that it is a result of a genetic predisposition combined with an environmental exposures and / or stresses during pregnancy or childhood that contribute to, or trigger, the disorder.

But more importantly, relevant to the original topic, I took the following from their site:

The Prevalance Rate for schizophrenia is approximately 1.1% of the population over the age of 18 (source: NIMH) or, in other words, at any one time as many as 51 million people worldwide suffer from schizophrenia, including;

6 to 12 million people in China (a rough estimate based on the population)
4.3 to 8.7 million people in India (a rough estimate based on the population)
2.2 million people in USA
285,000 people in Australia
Over 280,000 people in Canada
Over 250,000 diagnosed cases in Britain


So at 2.2 million out of 100 million Americans who have used cannabis, and assuming (to be generous to our prohibitionist friends) every single person with schizophrenia has used cannabis, it would seem the prevelance of schizophrenia among (minimum one-time) cannabis users is approximately 1/50.

Facts don't quite add up do they?

I felt like I was doing a math problem there...lol:D You're right though...doesn't quite add up:)

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Originally Posted by Staurm

Yeah but what they don't realise is that reading just one edition of The Daily Mail increases the likelihood of you being out of your fucking mind by about 110%. I'll take the slightly lesser risk, it's more fun anyway.

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lmfao, too true! :thumbsup:

its funny that pot heads still get angry by this kind of stuff, you'd think after like 20 years or something we'd start to ignore it but whatever. this is the same bullcrap lies that they spread around everything, anybody remember a little thing called rock n' roll? they linked murders with rock n' roll all the time back in the day and now that their over that they have to find something else to complain about. the people who put out crap like this are only as powerful as we make them really, all you have to do is ignore this crap.

if cannabis makes people kill, then why isn't the world empty?

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Originally Posted by Nocturnal Stoner

if cannabis makes people kill, then why isn't the world empty?

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we probably got distracted lol.

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Originally Posted by 3rdEyeVision

its funny that pot heads still get angry by this kind of stuff, you'd think after like 20 years or something we'd start to ignore it but whatever. this is the same bullcrap lies that they spread around everything, anybody remember a little thing called rock n' roll? they linked murders with rock n' roll all the time back in the day and now that their over that they have to find something else to complain about. the people who put out crap like this are only as powerful as we make them really, all you have to do is ignore this crap.

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They still do, except now they blame all the school shootings on metal.

Its personally hard for me, being a very positive member of society to be criminalized in my truthful pursuit of happiness. I will not be hurt by media, but inspired to infiltrate this bias form of political strength, and plant as many seeds as possible until the truth is adequately recognized by our federal govt. and not one person is left suffering, in fear of losing the freedom they would otherwise be asked to die for.

so after smoking just 1 joint your brain can fuck up? this may be true for some people just look at how many m.ps have admitted to smokeing lol, fuck the lot of them, i just laugh at their ignorance.:S2:

I wonder just how old the publishers and editors and stuff of articles like this are. Seems to me the newest couple generations accept that weed is here to stay, whether they smoke or not. So my point/questions is: are articles and things like these maybe a last ditch effort by the old conservative generation to keep weed illegal? I believe if you put our generation in charge, no matter who or what type of people actually get the power, weed would be legalized.

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Originally Posted by 3rdEyeVision

its funny that pot heads still get angry by this kind of stuff, you'd think after like 20 years or something we'd start to ignore it but whatever. this is the same bullcrap lies that they spread around everything, anybody remember a little thing called rock n' roll? they linked murders with rock n' roll all the time back in the day and now that their over that they have to find something else to complain about. the people who put out crap like this are only as powerful as we make them really, all you have to do is ignore this crap.

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Ignoring the problem doesn't make it go away, you know. The criminalization of marijuana has hurt many people. As MLK jr said- "Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere."

Ignoring the crap is the lazy way out, and that is what those folks are counting on, that we will be too scared and stoned and complacent to respond to the lies. I hope they are wrong!

You know what? I'm not sure ANY of these so called studies have been done at all. I think it's all just written up and then they estimate a large figure but make sure it's beliveable and then they go and print it. They know they're lying, because they're working it out - and the government arnt going to actually pay for these tests, because they know it's safe. They're more likely to keep our cash and shove it in their back pocket.

Did anyone see BBC news yesterday? Yet more bullshit for the cannabis witch hunt. As an example, I suspect it's made up, a mother talking about how her son turned psychotic as a result of smoking skunk weed. His first victim was his father, yes that's right he smoked pot and then killed his dad. He didn't accept that it was turning him into a killer, because of course he was on drugs and therefore wasn't thinking straight....

It pisses me of greatly to see the UK going backwards again, not that David (blind as a bucket) Blunkett brought us very far forwards 7 years ago. Having been a smoker for several years I am now starting to isolate a great number of negative factors in my life that I attribute indirectly to cannabis discrimation. One of them is the attitude my immediate family, whom I have been quite open with about it with, has towards my cannabis use.

My step father and I have never gotten on very well, largely on account of him being a bitter old man, and a cantankerous bastard all the time I have known him. Now that I am a fully grown man, and physically stronger than he is, there are times when I could seriously crack him one on the chin, however in doing so I risk not only hurting my mother, but inadvertently killing him on account of his serious heart condition.

So, there goes the BBC with more bullshit furthering the myth that cannabis turns you into a cold blooded killer, and subsequently reinforcing the existing view that my mother seems to have about my cannabis use, that it could turn me into a schitzophrenic with uncontrollable violent tendencies. She ascertained that I was potentialy at risk from this from the advice she gathered from several doctors whom she used to work with in a hospital, when she was a nurse. As a result of the propaganda war against us cannabis users, my own mother is now frightened of me.

What is Gordon Brown playing at do you think? I suspect he might very well be using this as a way to distance himself in the media from the greatly unpopular Tony Blair. Either way, I hope he and that stupid arsehole of a home secretary of his, vinegar tits, fuck off very soon in an early election, before they get the chance to put this "Brownian de-motion" through parliament. I think everyone in the UK should write to their MP unequivocally describing this as cannabis discrimation and reccomending they vote against it.

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I'm much like you Staturm with my Father as you are with your step father.

We never got on much and we was always fighting, but i NEVER hit him in the head or the face. These were seriously arguments, proper fighting but i could control myself not to hurt the old twat. But in those fights i could have easily done him one, and im not sure what that'd do. I could have snapped, but i didnt, havnt and wont in the future. They're trying to make it out as though cannabis DOES it to everyone, as though it's fact. It's bollocks and people beleive it.

The thing about this news article was that it didn't actually say HOW the guy killed his father, it may very well be that his father was nipping at him, perhaps calling him a no good junkie or something, and in any case rejecting him for it. Maybe the guy just flipped on it one day and slapped him, and accidentally killed him. The story seemed to want to delibaretely mislead the viewer into jumping to the conclusion that he went crazy one day brandishing a knife and in a blind rage killed his father. It may be the case, but the fact that it didn't specifically say so makes me think there is more to the story than what they want us to know.

I'm not capable of voilence towards anyone LIP, there are times when I feel like hitting someone, but I always pull back, in many ways its part of my spiritual discipline to never bring harm to another living creature. But, the irritable nature I tend to sport around the house when I am at home with my parents on account of my step fathers incessant complaining and putting me down all time tends to further add to my mothers fears about me.

^^^ Gandalf: I usually see murder blamed on video games in the US. It's because you play grand theft auto, and it makes you have a complete bloodlust. I think if you you were to play GTA while smoking a blunt, who knows, you will almost certainly (The real statistics are 98%) destroy the western hemisphere with nuclear missiles, use the ashes to grow more pot, feed it to your three-headed dog, and then he will fly around the world eating the goiters from the fallout victims. Seriously, one of my friends did that after he got some second-hand cannabis smoke. TOTAL ARMAGEDDON LURKS IN THOSE TRICHOMES. Plus something else that completely validates my claim is the fact the the trichomes ARE SHAPED LIKE MUSHROOM CLOUDS! If that doesn't prove it, well, then you are one of those hippies that wants to sell heroin to 6-year-olds. :eek:

Thats funny, Im thinking that weed has given me the patience to AVOID choking people on a daily basis!!! Wheres MY study?:wtf:

LOL, cannabis seriously keeps my neurotransmitters in good balance... right now I'm looking for work so I'm not smoking, and I'm under a lot of stress, and my god I swear I'm ill without my doja. I actually felt detached from reality for a few hours the other day. Anyways, I think cops probably know a lot about crime... Howard Wooldridge said that in 18 years wearing the badge he NEVER ONCE responded to a call that was precipitated by marijuana.. more than 90% were alcohol related.

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^^^ Gandalf: I usually see murder blamed on video games in the US. It's because you play grand theft auto, and it makes you have a complete bloodlust. I think if you you were to play GTA while smoking a blunt, who knows, you will almost certainly (The real statistics are 98%) destroy the western hemisphere with nuclear missiles, use the ashes to grow more pot, feed it to your three-headed dog, and then he will fly around the world eating the goiters from the fallout victims. Seriously, one of my friends did that after he got some second-hand cannabis smoke. TOTAL ARMAGEDDON LURKS IN THOSE TRICHOMES. Plus something else that completely validates my claim is the fact the the trichomes ARE SHAPED LIKE MUSHROOM CLOUDS! If that doesn't prove it, well, then you are one of those hippies that wants to sell heroin to 6-year-olds. :eek:

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What? Please explain....what is your "claim"?

...maybe it's time for a puff my friend.;)
This is absolutely the most ridiculous shit I've read since I've been on this site!!! I'm sure you're good people, but seriously dude...:wtf:

Vinegar Tits - LMAO Staurm that ones a keeper :thumbsup:

Heard on the radio yesterday though that loads of people were complaining about all these weed toking politicians - basically saying this isn't 'real-news' and its just BS so they don't have to talk about Iraq or other "less than stellar" topics ;)

The public aren't quite as dumb as the government might hope for.

Question:
How can you clear a THC drug in the UK for trials when you think it might cause mental health issues? Hmmm?

This is BullShit of the highest order, we know it - we just need to educate anyone else who is inclined to listen.