How do I get my plants to bud sooner?

I have a bunch of outdoor plants in pots and I also have a few indoor plants. The question isnt about the indoor ones...I want to kno how to get the outdoor ones to bud. They've been growing for almost three weeks and they are pretty good size. I think they are already starting to grow little pistillite things or whatever they are called, but its fairly microscopic.

Would it be possible to build a little rig that limits the amlunt of light they get outside, like a box with a certain sized hole cut in it. I would properly fashion the box, i dont need help with that. Just...would it work? I dont care if it doesnt yield a lot of buds, I just want to grow my own and SMOKE THAT SHIT.

Any help would be nice, since no websites that I have gone to can answer this for me.

I could be totally wrong, but my plants are three weeks old and are developing weird looking things around the nodes that I thought looked pistol-ish, and I think they will just turn out to be branches/foliage that looks weird at first.

I just asked recently when you can first start flowering and the answer was "as soon as there are alternating nodes". Your plant will eventually stop growing its new branches symmetricaly (two at a time opposite of each other). instead of it looking like this -> Y it looks like this -> y

like i said though, I could be totally wrong I'm on my first grow so I'm by no means speaking definitively.

3 weeks seems a bit young to show sex...

I'm no expert, but I think if you built a lightproof box over your plants, and took that box off everyday for 12 hours, they will bud sooner. IF they're mature enough. Apparently flowering before they're ready could actually lengthen the budding process.

Seems like a lot of work, though. You that desperate for bud, lol?

I head off to school in about a month, and I find it a necessary thing to grow my own shit to smoke, even if its only enough for one fat blunt. It would be the best blunt of my life thus far. I dont care how much I get out of it, and the plants are fairly mature. The stems are getting really strong and Im confident that they will yield somthing. (I hurd that young buds are actually much higher in THC content)

I also have a pretty cool looking plant that has three sets of leaves instead of two. It had it since it budded and I havent seen anything like it. Dank buds hopefully???

I have pictures of the plants but I have no idea how to post em. If someone would allow me to send them an email they could give me their helpful advice. I like that box idea too.

You can bring them to flower in three weeks by putting your lights at 12/12 BUT your way short on time for ANY type of harvest at all. Your looking at another 6-8 weeks at least depending on the strain. It's not just the creation of the buds but the trichome developement.

Have a good grow!:jointsmile:

I only know how to start the budding sooner, not how to make them go through the process quicker.

If you're going to harvest early, I suppose you could give them some nutrients high in Pottasium, to try and beef up the buds.

I've smoked buds that were only a few weeks old, and got a bit of a buzz. They're real tiny, though, especially when dried. You won't get much.

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Originally Posted by Raskolnikov

I only know how to start the budding sooner, not how to make them go through the process quicker.

If you're going to harvest early, I suppose you could give them some nutrients high in Pottasium, to try and beef up the buds.

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There is NO WAY to speed up mother nature in order to have them babies ready in 4 weeks! It's not the size of the bud but the trichome developement. I have a trichome chart in my signature.........

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud

There is NO WAY to speed up mother nature in order to have them babies ready in 4 weeks!

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Didn't say he could, brother.

I do know you can get a tiny buzz from immature buds, though. And he's going to harvest early regardless, so why not get them as big as possible?

They won't do a darn thing if they aren't ready, but you can build a hoop frame over them and cover it with panda (white side out) every night at sunset, and remove the plastic EXACTLY 12 hours later. This is done on a commercial scale sometimes, and works, but you have to be ON TOP of your timing. No forgetting. No going away for the weekend. No sleeping off a bender.
Not worth it unless you are a pro cashcropper with no other responsibilities.

I dont understand this whole twelve hours thing. Is there supposed to be a certain point in the year where there's exactly 12/12 and thats what triggers the buds to grow? (in nature) And also, why wouldn't my plants bud? Do they need to be a certain height or have certain style leaves?

I have seen plants about my height have buds and shit. I dont know what trichomes are either. Im willing to give that thing a shot if sumone could tell me what "panda is", and if sumone can also back up the extra potassium idea.

Thanks.

you should just spend your 60 bucks on an 1/8th dude. you're looking for a quick easy solution that doesnt exsist. Plus, you actually need to know SOMETHING about growing to get anything more than decorative buds. so at the very least, read all the f.a.q page like everyone else does.

60 bucks an 1/8th?!?

Im not looking just to smoke, jeez. I just wanna grow my own shit and smoke it, thats all. I'll do it better next summer, and who sed anything about spending $60? If u say itll take that long ill just start doing that twelve hour shit right now and harvest them before I head off for school.

Post pics when you harvest :thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud

Your looking at another 6-8 weeks at least depending on the strain.

Have a good grow!:jointsmile:

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...yeah unfortunately I live in TX. high quality bud is averages at about 60 an 1/8. I hate texas.

According to Cannabis Growing Guide Part 1 , 11 hours light and 13 hours dark will speed up the process, at the expense of lower yield. So if they are outdoors, you could put a box over them that seals out ALL light for 13 hours each day.

Also, fertilize the hell out of it so it dont skip a beat. Then, right before you leave, harvest it and dry it in a showbox or something and smoke it your first week of school.

YOUR BEST BET: find a suitable home for your green girls. If possible, transplant it to somewhere near your new school's location. Or give her to a friend that can take care of her. A healthy bud plant shouldn't be prevented from flowering. If it's a nice plant, I say give it to someone. If it's a piece of shit, I say smoke the ENTIRE PLANT!

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Originally Posted by innertube

If it's a piece of shit, I say smoke the ENTIRE PLANT!

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Oh yeah, that will do a lot of good :wtf:
While you are at it, smoke the grass clippings stuck to the underside of your lawn mower.
The psychoactive compounds are concentrated in the BUDS and on the tiny leaves that sprout out of the buds. There is NO point is smoking 'the entire plant'.... AAAARGH

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Originally Posted by innertube

According to Cannabis Growing Guide Part 1 , 11 hours light and 13 hours dark will speed up the process, at the expense of lower yield. So if they are outdoors, you could put a box over them that seals out ALL light for 13 hours each day.

Also, fertilize the hell out of it so it dont skip a beat. Then, right before you leave, harvest it and dry it in a showbox or something and smoke it your first week of school.

YOUR BEST BET: find a suitable home for your green girls. If possible, transplant it to somewhere near your new school's location. Or give her to a friend that can take care of her. A healthy bud plant shouldn't be prevented from flowering. If it's a nice plant, I say give it to someone. If it's a piece of shit, I say smoke the ENTIRE PLANT!

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11/13 will make NO difference to the plant, compared to 12/12 ... it will NOT 'speed up' anything :D ... and, 'fertilize the hell out of it' may be one of the worst suggestions you could have made :wtf: ... :smokin:

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Originally Posted by the image reaper

11/13 will make NO difference to the plant, compared to 12/12 ... it will NOT 'speed up' anything :D ... and, 'fertilize the hell out of it' may be one of the worst suggestions you could have made :wtf: ... :smokin:

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Wow I'm glad you've done extensive scientific experiments to refute my suggestion of the 11/13 light cycle, that plenty of people practice. So if you could just show me your findings, then I will understand your assurance on knowing what the fuck you're talking about.

And for the nutrients, most likely the plant would burn from over fert if he tries that, but there's also the chance that it's a super quick grower and will love it.

Again, I'll be waiting for your findings on that light cycle bit. Thanks buddy.

P.S. Notice how I cited my fucking suggestion instead of just claiming that I know, as you seem to enjoy doing.

innertube, you are not only giving poor advice, but you are acting like a jerk about it.

Knock it off or your stay here on canncom is gonna be a brief one.

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Originally Posted by innertube

Wow I'm glad you've done extensive scientific experiments to refute my suggestion of the 11/13 light cycle, that plenty of people practice. So if you could just show me your findings, then I will understand your assurance on knowing what the fuck you're talking about.

And for the nutrients, most likely the plant would burn from over fert if he tries that, but there's also the chance that it's a super quick grower and will love it.

Again, I'll be waiting for your findings on that light cycle bit. Thanks buddy.

P.S. Notice how I cited my fucking suggestion instead of just claiming that I know, as you seem to enjoy doing.

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:S2: ... sounds like we are fortunate enough, to have an " Expert Cultivator and Scientist " join the Forum ... welcome aboard, buddy :smokin:

Alright, I'm not a jerk and you're not a punk, and let's bury the hatchet.

My only point is that you shouldnt go around saying for sure that something won't work when it's very difficult to tell whether it would. Probably due to its prohibition, the science of growing ganj has not been subjected to the scientific method all that much (i.e. extremely controlled environment with a single variable, and can be repeated to find the same outcome again and again).

If you had two clones in identical environments and set one to 12/12 and the other to 11/13, and by 6 weeks or whatever could show that one was more mature than the other, then I'd believe you. Same with the 24/0 veg vs. 18/6 veg. Personally, I stick to the 18/6 veg and 12/12 flower.

Seriously, so many of the tricks to growing are like old wives tales; we have success but cannot usually credit it to a specific action. Thus, this leaves a shade of art to practice.

So for the wise guys, how do you feel about the following:

-Hydrogen Peroxide in water mixture for it's extra O2
-molasses in water mixture for sweeter taste
-Mineral water foliar feeding for the C02

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Originally Posted by innertube

Alright, I'm not a jerk and you're not a punk, and let's bury the hatchet.

My only point is that you shouldnt go around saying for sure that something won't work when it's very difficult to tell whether it would. Probably due to its prohibition, the science of growing ganj has not been subjected to the scientific method all that much (i.e. extremely controlled environment with a single variable, and can be repeated to find the same outcome again and again).

If you had two clones in identical environments and set one to 12/12 and the other to 11/13, and by 6 weeks or whatever could show that one was more mature than the other, then I'd believe you. Same with the 24/0 veg vs. 18/6 veg. Personally, I stick to the 18/6 veg and 12/12 flower.

Seriously, so many of the tricks to growing are like old wives tales; we have success but cannot usually credit it to a specific action. Thus, this leaves a shade of art to practice.

So for the wise guys, how do you feel about the following:

-Hydrogen Peroxide in water mixture for it's extra O2
-molasses in water mixture for sweeter taste
-Mineral water foliar feeding for the C02

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whenever I try to answer someone's question, I will always say so, if I am not sure, and am offering an 'educated guess' ... I say there is NO difference in growth rate between 13/11, and 12/12 .. I stand by that, emphatically ... I also would add that I have never observed any 'significant' difference between 24 hour vegging growth, and 18/6 vegging growth, except to add that the 12/12 plants, generally appear healthier to me, and seem to resist stress much better (only my opinion, this subject is hotly debated daily on every Forum out here) ... I say these things, because I have been growing cannabis (indoors only) for roughly 41 years, yeah, i'm an old fart ... in that time, I've done a lot of experiments and comparisons, and formed my own informed decisions based on my results (I am a member of MENSA, so I read pretty well, too :D) ... in fact, today, I just thought of another experiment to put my poor Willie Nelson mother thru, I have LOTS of patience, so no biggie ... the last two crops I grew, were strictly to produce seeds, I throw away 90% of my typical plants, as I only want to smoke the best possible ... your plants belong to YOU, you can do anything you want with them, same as me ... but, I will do the experiment myself, and observe the results, before recommending it to others ... OK, now for my exam:

1. Hydrogen Peroxide in water for additional oxygen ... should add a slight amount, jury is out whether it is significant ... BUT, it also kills the microorganisms in the soil, which are much more important than added O2 ...
2. Molasses in the water is for swelling buds, and being a 'carb loader' ... I have used it for awhile, and it doesn't taste any different to me, BUT, if it's not flushed well, it is like any other sugar, and will harshen the smoke ... (carbon, ya know) ... and, outdoors, the bugs will LOVE you for adding it :D ...
3. Mineral water for CO2 ... while it almost certainly adds CO2, it made absolutely no visible growth difference in the plants I grew with it ... (if you decide to experiment, I suggest you read the label very carefully, as MOST carbonated water has sodium added) ... I did find some cheap canned seltzer water at my local grocery store that did NOT have added sodium, that is what I used for an entire grow (4 plants with seltzer, 4 plants plain water) ... no difference except for the $$$ spent (no biggie, the canned seltzer water was cheap) ...
I hope my reply was of help ... I do know from experience, that after reading many different cannabis growing guides, that ALL of them contains at least some erroneous information ... lots of rumors and theories floating around, and like you say, lab-quality studies are few, and far between, but getting better ... meanwhile, we just have to rely on common sense ... (P.S., I never called you a 'jerk', and nobody I ever met, thought of me as a 'punk', so I'm not sensitive :D) ... have a good grow :smokin:

image reaper, you are wise among men and i acknowledge your experience. All of the aforementioned makes sense. I was in fear of root rot due to some tight ass soil, so I double potted and gave it a bit of H2O2, problem solved. It's mostly organic, so I guess I need those microorganisms.

I shall now exploit your expertise with a second exam on healthy, efficient growing:

-best organic soil to use, with what additives in what sized pots
- 400 HPS + 400 MH both on and under same hood. First trial with it (currently at 4 weeks flowering) is awesome so far! Yet, there's no hype about it. Why not?!
- I used a No-Pest strip cuz one plant had mites. Worked flawlessly. What say you on this product?
- for medical use, what strains/types work best for what illnesses?

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Originally Posted by innertube

image reaper, you are wise among men and i acknowledge your experience. All of the aforementioned makes sense. I was in fear of root rot due to some tight ass soil, so I double potted and gave it a bit of H2O2, problem solved. It's mostly organic, so I guess I need those microorganisms.

I shall now exploit your expertise with a second exam on healthy, efficient growing:

-best organic soil to use, with what additives in what sized pots
- 400 HPS + 400 MH both on and under same hood. First trial with it (currently at 4 weeks flowering) is awesome so far! Yet, there's no hype about it. Why not?!
- I used a No-Pest strip cuz one plant had mites. Worked flawlessly. What say you on this product?
- for medical use, what strains/types work best for what illnesses?

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well, I've been around awhile, but I am no expert ... I enjoy trying to help, when I can ...

1. most growers swear by Fox Farms Ocean Forest soil, adding a bit more Perlite to it ... I had problems, and think it is too 'hot' for starting seeds, but others swear by it ... Fox Farms has a milder potting soil for seedlings, with lots of mychorriziia bacteria(mispelled) and humic acid, for promoting growth ... it's called Fox Farms' Happy Frog potting soil ... it's great stuff ... last crop I started my seeds in the Happy Frog, then later, transplanted up to the Ocean Forest, I liked the results :thumbsup: ... I use #5 pots, (they hold roughly 3 gallons) ... plenty big enough ...
2. I've heard of growers running both MH and HPS lamps together, for a more balanced spectrum ... makes sense to me, after all, the sun is full-spectrum (well, technically, the sun's spectrum shifts as it's angle to the earth changes, but you get the idea) ... I would try it, if I could afford it ...
3. matter-of-fact, I just happened to replace my No-Pest strip with a new one yesterday ... I hang mine in the same room, but not in the cabinet itself ... I figure the bugs have to get thru the room first, so no need to 'treat' the cabinet, too ... they work great, never had insects, and I've never felt 'exposed' to anything dangerous, been using them for ages ...
4. medically, I suppose everyone differs a bit, but, I generally suggest an indica for physical pain or sleeplessness ... sativa for depression works great for me ... they both seem to be good for my arthritis ... I recently grew out a roughly 50/50 hybrid of Cinderella 99 x Northern Lights, and it worked well for everything ... now, if I could just breed out the 'munchies' :D ...

by the way, when I ordered my Happy Frog Potting Soil at my local greenhouse, they screwed up, and got me the Happy Frog Soil Amendment instead ... I really love that stuff, it's the 'active ingredient' that is used in their potting soil, I add some to everything ... plus, when transplanting, it suggests you put a handful in the bottom of the pot, for the roots to grow into ... it rocks :thumbsup:

hope something I said helps, have a great grow :thumbsup:

to add something regarding the medical aspects ... not long ago, a legitimate medical study of cannabis discovered that the CBD in cannabis is a very good anti-inflammatory, that would explain the arthritic benefits ... we are able to boost CBD, simply by maturing past prime, and harvesting with more amber trichomes ... :smokin:

Good Thread guys! I applaud you two for working out the small squabble so well. As we all know, it's easy to get wires crossed through typing only.
Props to the both of ya!

Hey guys, remember me? I started this thread. Watsup?

That was an interesting little argument but I have taken whatever I can from it. My plants are doing GREAT, unfortunately I am unable to do that twelve/twelve thing cuz I can't keep a military schedule like that (its funny cuz im headed into the military, o shit)

I made up a nice chart with the sunrise/set but its just difficult to maintain that. Also, I can't access the plants while the mother is around. She might get snoopy, and although she is aware that I am growing some plants, she doesnt know that theyre closer than she thinks.

They survived a big storm recently and theyre really strong, I don't have the heart to bud them early anymore theyre trying so hard. I'll leave them in the care of my sibling to bud them properly. Theyre all over a foot tall now and theyre starting to make those branches that grow outwards, watever that means.

So, to change the question...how do I get my buds to be REALLY potent!
(if someone could help me to post a picture that'd be helpful too, im retarded and cant do it)

To post a picture, click "Post Reply" or "Go Advanced". Beneath the text box - where you type your reply - is an "Additional Options" box. Click "manage Attachments", the rest should be obvious.

This forum has a rule that you must be a member 2 weeks and have 50 posts in order to post pictures. Sometimes this rule is automatically enforced and sometimes new users can put up photos with their first post. There really seems to be no rhyme or reason as to who gets enforced and who doesn't - seemingly it depends solely upon your favor with the cyber gods.

The point is, if you don't see the "manage attachments" function, it should appear as soon as you have 50 posts. :thumbsup:

PC :smokin:

why not move the plants inside for 2-3 weeks ?

hmzzzzz .... new target ... potency .. if u like the smell of fried liver then throw some liver blood ( cow one is the best u can use pork or chicken too ) the smoke will be really great if u eat fried potatos and coke along ! bon apetite

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Originally Posted by BONJO2

hmzzzzz .... new target ... potency .. if u like the smell of fried liver then throw some liver blood ( cow one is the best u can use pork or chicken too ) the smoke will be really great if u eat fried potatos and coke along ! bon apetite

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truly, 'advice' to be ignored ... :smokin:

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Originally Posted by BONJO2

hmzzzzz .... new target ... potency .. if u like the smell of fried liver then throw some liver blood ( cow one is the best u can use pork or chicken too ) the smoke will be really great if u eat fried potatos and coke along ! bon apetite

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I think you would be happier posting in the lounge......the Cultivation Forums are for serious growers.

Have a good grow!:jointsmile:

ok apologise for my way of speak but the story here doesn't seems at least thoughtfull , i mean the guy has plants that don't wanna be found by his mother but has np to build a light proof bloom system hmzzz... and has indoors plants ... and asks about potency ... , that isn't serius to me either
ok and to be Serius , u planted too late its l8 july and ur outdoor plants are less than half a meter ? u ll get modest buds at the very very very best HAPPY GROWING ( makes life longer)

To answer chandler44's Q. Yes there is a time of year that hits 12/12, on about 3/20 and 9/22 are the spring equinox and fall equinox respectively. hence people harvesting in fall. in june the days become as long as they will be all year and in december the night's become the longest all year. as a side note, these long night's cause deppression in humans and is probably the reason we have christmas to celebrate and forget our mental woes. This goes way back to the pagan religion where they celebrated the equinox's and the solstices(June & December).

Hope this helps...:thumbsup:

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Treetops, Was my info outdated? I retrieved it from the wiki cause I could'nt remember the exact days. and on the bottom of this page it says " Last edited by Treetops : Aug-15-2007 at 10:48. Reason: Disregard, chart posted....". Or maybe my info assumed a certain location on earth?

No, No...I just wanted everyone to see the chart....I didnt think it loaded....had to explain why the second post....hope that clarifies that....Sorry about the confusion......Had the chart, thought it would be good info for all....

Peace,
Treetops

your location on earth also has an effect on the length of days. at the equator the days are almost always the same length and say near the poles you can get constant light or darkness during certain times of the year.