George Bush should be tried for murder.

THe fact that American soldiers are going to prison for humiliating prisoners of war and killing wounded insurgents who might be playing dead makes me wonder. Why should George Bush not be prosecuted? Look at all of the innocent Iraqis he has killed. The latest incident is dropping a bomb on the wrong house. I know George did not do it but under his orders it was done. For all the innocent people he has helped murder he should go to prison immediately and be euthanized. I am a proud American who believes in justice. Prosecute George W.

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THe fact that American soldiers are going to prison for humiliating prisoners of war and killing wounded insurgents who might be playing dead makes me wonder. Why should George Bush not be prosecuted? Look at all of the innocent Iraqis he has killed. The latest incident is dropping a bomb on the wrong house. I know George did not do it but under his orders it was done. For all the innocent people he has helped murder he should go to prison immediately and be euthanized. I am a proud American who believes in justice. Prosecute George W.

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Surely with the same logic, Winston Churchill and the ally leaders should "go to prison immediately and be euthanized"? War will always kill innocents, you should be grateful the bomb was dropped to help them, not kill them. Mistakes happen. Deal with it.

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THe fact that American soldiers are going to prison for humiliating prisoners of war and killing wounded insurgents who might be playing dead makes me wonder. Why should George Bush not be prosecuted? Look at all of the innocent Iraqis he has killed. The latest incident is dropping a bomb on the wrong house. I know George did not do it but under his orders it was done. For all the innocent people he has helped murder he should go to prison immediately and be euthanized. I am a proud American who believes in justice. Prosecute George W.

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Howdy ithoughtiknewitall,

In this instance,you clearly don't know much..and I seriously doubt,that you even know how to be a true American,especially if you were schooled by liberal teachers who despise America.

Justice ? What about justice for those who were murdered on 09/11/01 ?

They were innocent victims too..they were murdered by muslims and we are now at war ,with the terrorists and Islam too..as far as I'm concerned.

If you want someone to die for the deaths of innocents,start with the terrorists,the countries that support them and export terror,iranian mullahs,the Syrian president..etc,they are the ones that want to murder you-not President Bush.

Hey Hey whata you say how many Iraqi's died today? A hell of a lot more Iraqi's and Afghani's have been killed than were in the twin towers. Where is the massive donation for the families of the dead civilians there? Small children with missing limbs, pregnant women killed by bombing, Nice eh? Whether a Muslim faction or an idiot out to revenge his Daddy, targeting innocents is wrong. You know what we'd have without men? A bunch of fat happy women and no crime. The fact that the terrorists that attacked the world trade center were Saudi's not Iraqi's seems to have been lost along the line, but of course the Bush regime has close ties with the Saudi Emirites. As a woman I think maybe all men should be targeted. (Just Kidding folks, example only) They kill and molest their own children, beat and kill their women, and believe they are the superior sex. I'm tired of men and their warmongering, let's kill or imprison them all. Starting with rednecks that wear boxers and wife beater t-shirts and drink beer. Eh?

I like to translate for Torog so the rest of us better understand what hes saying:

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In this instance,you clearly don't know much..and I seriously doubt,that you even know how to be a true American,especially if you were schooled by liberal teachers who despise America.

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"If your beliefs differ in any way from my own you are not an american because commander in cheif bush says that you are either with us or against us. Fuck free thought and free expression the fact you don't agree with me obviously means you were taught by dirty liberal hippie american-hating liberals of which I am not though I post regularly on a drug-related message board."

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What about justice for those who were murdered on 09/11/01 ?

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"Though we did absolutely nothing to prevent this attack that we knew was comming since it happened we need to get justice by bombing the fuck out of afghanistan and iraq even though saddam hussein and binladen were never in this together but hell we need oil. Go Cowboys! And lets not forget about all those weapons of mass destruction we never found despite that any they would have had we probably gave them in the 80s."

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They were innocent victims too..they were murdered by muslims and we are now at war ,with the terrorists and Islam too..as far as I'm concerned.

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"It was those dirty bastard muslims...almost as bad as liberals and we must rape their women, kill their children and convert them to christianity. LET THE CRUSADES COMMENCE!"

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If you want someone to die for the deaths of innocents,start with the terrorists,the countries that support them and export terror,iranian mullahs,the Syrian president..etc,they are the ones that want to murder you-not President Bush.

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"Fuck this peace talk and compromise bullshit the only way to deal with these dirty terrorists who hate us because we pissed them off and now make them look like the bad guys is to kill them, kill them all. Kill, kill, kill lets have a war! WOO TEXAS!"

Oh yes and a metal beam landed in the shape of a cross at the world trade centers and despite that the entire foundation was likely made up of these crossed steel breams it must be a sign from our lord jesus christ...ALL HAIL THE CROSSED METAL!

Im sure Torog would simply post here saying that its not worth his effort to argu with a bastard liberal like me or some other such bullshit to cover his ass. Here are some links however:

Lack of Weapons of Mass Destruction

No WMD in Iraq, source claims

9/11 Chair, attack was preventable

Bush attacked on terrorism record

Election was rigged and stolen, where is the fuckin outrage?

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Surely with the same logic, Winston Churchill and the ally leaders should "go to prison immediately and be euthanized"? War will always kill innocents, you should be grateful the bomb was dropped to help them, not kill them. Mistakes happen. Deal with it.

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The difference being that England was defending itself not from an imagined threat but a very real act of hostility.
Iraqs WMD have never been found because they were never there to be found.
The US goverment has even admitted that "the intelligence was flawed" so the logic used here could be translated into a simple analogy.

In my street lives a guy who has prior convictions for aggravated burglary.
This man is a potential threat to me and my home even though he wants nothing to do with me.
I fear he may attemt to burgle my home .
Based on this fear I choose to blow his fucking thieving brains out.
By Bush's logic even if it was found that the guy was no real threat I would still be justified in wasting him.
In reality if I did shoot the burglar I would most likely find myself with a new residence and lots of time to think! All at the care of the state....
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Extremely well said Nullific

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The difference being that England was defending itself not from an imagined threat but a very real act of hostility.
Iraqs WMD have never been found because they were never there to be found.
The US goverment has even admitted that "the intelligence was flawed" so the logic used here could be translated into a simple analogy.

In my street lives a guy who has prior convictions for aggravated burglary.
This man is a potential threat to me and my home even though he wants nothing to do with me.
I fear he may attemt to burgle my home .
Based on this fear I choose to blow his fucking thieving brains out.
By Bush's logic even if it was found that the guy was no real threat I would still be justified in wasting him.
In reality if I did shoot the burglar I would most likely find myself with a new residence and lots of time to think! All at the care of the state....
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Extremely well said Nullific

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Why don't you email this to Bush? :)

Because Bush would then have an excuse to blow out Torog's brains for being a commie drug using Texas terrorist. Well said Nullific.

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Justice ? What about justice for those who were murdered on 09/11/01 ?
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and how was iraq involved in 9/11????

"In this instance,you clearly don't know much..and I seriously doubt,that you even know how to be a true American,especially if you were schooled by liberal teachers who despise America."

A true American has the brains and courage to speak out against the lies of the Commander and Chickenhawk. A true American would not call himself a war president when he did not have the guts to show up for duty in the National Guard. A true American would not say "How high?" everytime the Bush Nazis say "Jump!." You are not even close to a true American if you support the crook who is running the US now. It is highly UNPATRIOTIC to even show support for the fat, arrogant lies in charge now. Go wash your mouth out with soap...

Not bad yourselves. I would just like to break down Torog's lower attatched image which reads:

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We're sorry that all of our whiny, loser, tree-hugging, terrorist loving, flag burning, elitist, hybrid driving, liberal, democrat, weenie blue staters are leaving the United states to infect another country near you.

We apologize, in advance, for any inconvenience this may cause you."

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So what is being said here is that you don't like people who are "tree-hugging, terrorist loving, flag burning, elitist, hybrid driving" or what in your mind is the stereotyical liberal or democrat and you would rather them all leave the country.
In essence you despise liberals because they are environmentalist, revolutionaries, pacifists who you say are elitist as well. I suppose in your perfect there are plenty of factories and large buildings...not a tree for miles and you don't even have to worry about people hugging them, everyones a pollutocrat and you never even think of questioning the government or flexing your rights. Everybody owns two cars and they both run on plain old earth-devastating gasoline...the air is full of smog and fuck more efficient, cheaper, environmentally safe fuel alternatives like say, HEMP OIL...we have what like another 100 years before we have to worry about that crap right? If this is the case I don't think I want to live in this country a minute longer. However, isn't it my right as an american to be able to believe what I want without persecution? Instead you bash liberals for wanting to be free, do drugs, protect the environment and find other ways besides war to settle desputes between nations? Sure I agree the human population is too high but im sorry I don't see a point in turning thousands of tragic deaths into another ten thousand more.
I also find it ironic that you apply the term "elitist" to liberals. Incase you didn't know here is the definition:

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e·lit·ism or é·lit·ism Audio pronunciation of "elitist" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (-ltzm, -l-)
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1. The belief that certain persons or members of certain classes or groups deserve favored treatment by virtue of their perceived superiority, as in intellect, social status, or financial resources.
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1. The sense of entitlement enjoyed by such a group or class.
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Elitists? How the fuck are liberals elitists? You spew intolerance, Torog, judging by what i've read about your views on same sex marriage, abortion, church and state and that you seem to think everybody needs to be christian or else we're the worlds going to hell I can safely say that if anybody here is an elitist it would be you. I've asked before about your signature which says

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and would really like an answer. If you're so for freedom why do you attempt to make those whose lifestyles and beliefs you disagree with look as if they should be smited by god or thrown out of the country? You call this a Christian nation and you think that Christians should be treated specially, it is as if you think the bill of rights should be replaced with the ten commandments.
When anybody questions your views you don't bother defending them. The best you seem to be able to do is point and shout "DIE LIBERAL!!", just like Hitler yelling "DIE JEWS", the KKK yelling "DIE NIGGERS", the Puritans yelling "DIE WITCHES"...you label us all liberals and for seemingly no reason hold this ideaology that LIBERAL=BASTARD HIPPIE TREE HUGGER ELITIST SON OF A BITCH. It is just a stereotype, a delusion.
In Ann Coulters book, How to talk to a liberal (if you must) the bitch claims that you can't argu with liberals "because they wont argu, they refuse to". Could somebody else tell me who is refusing to argu here? Is it me and the rest of the radical "liberals" or our stoned neo-conservative Torog?

Yeah!! So There!! lol

"We're sorry that all of our whiny, loser, tree-hugging, terrorist loving, flag burning, elitist, hybrid driving, liberal, democrat, weenie blue staters are leaving the United states to infect another country near you.

We apologize, in advance, for any inconvenience this may cause you."

That statement is so arrogant and obviously directed towards american morons, such as torog. Countries are INVITING democrats, and NEGLECTING republicans, becuase the world KNOWS republicans are nothing but stupid, ignorant, brainwashed bastards that have no intelligence whatsoever. Torog, are you retarded, seriously, dont you know that America produces 25% of ALL global warming emissions, yet only makes up 4% of the worlds population. America produces more global warming emissions than China, India and Japan COMBINED, which is roughly 4 BILLION people, and you have the nerve and stupidity to say "sorry" for the people that are trying to save the planet from people like you! George W was given the chance to join the 'Kyoto Protocol' which would lower emissions for the world, but of course Georgy is out for himself and declined, because he knows thats less cars on the streets, thus less oil, thus less money for himself and his administration. Yet, his only excuse was that the lowering of emissions would "endanger the economy", which is already in a $+500 BILLION deficit because of Georgys stupidity and arrogance. I have a couple questions for you torog, how can you call yourself Christian and hate the people who are trying to preserve and better the WORLDS environment? What do u care about more, the worlds environment or money? And how can you put that BS attachment there when EVERYBODY else in the WORLD KNOWS that republicans are pieces of shit? Finally, dont u have any common sense bro, cause if you did, im sure youd be a hella of a lot smarter. You are too blinded by all the bullshit propaganda that the churches and republicans feed you, and if you made some cross references for all your BS, im sure youd find that your full of shit. Studies have already showed that the states with higher IQ's vote democrat, and obviously the christian populated states, the dumb ones, vote republican. Now with that said, im sure youll come back with some lame shit which will make no sense, and ill have to prove you wrong once again! America is going to hell and taking the world with them, why cant americans, for once, stop thinking about themselves and do something that would benefit the WORLD.

Howdy Nullific,

You lament:"Elitists? How the f*ck are liberals elitists? You spew intolerance, Torog, judging by what i've read about your views on same sex marriage, abortion, church and state and that you seem to think everybody needs to be christian or else we're the worlds going to hell I can safely say that if anybody here is an elitist it would be you. I've asked before about your signature which says Quote:
God Bless Those Who Choose To Protect Our Freedom !
and would really like an answer. If you're so for freedom why do you attempt to make those whose lifestyles and beliefs you disagree with look as if they should be smited by god or thrown out of the country? You call this a Christian nation and you think that Christians should be treated specially, it is as if you think the bill of rights should be replaced with the ten commandments.
When anybody questions your views you don't bother defending them. The best you seem to be able to do is point and shout "DIE LIBERAL!!", just like Hitler yelling "DIE JEWS", the KKK yelling "DIE NIGGERS", the Puritans yelling "DIE WITCHES"...you label us all liberals and for seemingly no reason hold this ideaology that LIBERAL=BASTARD HIPPIE TREE HUGGER ELITIST SON OF A BITCH. It is just a stereotype, a delusion.
In Ann Coulters book, How to talk to a liberal (if you must) the bitch claims that you can't argu with liberals "because they wont argu, they refuse to". Could somebody else tell me who is refusing to argu here? Is it me and the rest of the radical "liberals" or our stoned neo-conservative Torog?"

I label liberals as elitists,because that is how they percieve themselves,they all feel superior to folks of Faith and anyone on the Right. What's so bad about that is-is that by percieving themselves superior to their fellow man,they also delude themselves into thinking that Man has all the answers..when clearly Man does not.

I've never called for the death of any liberal.

Does it upset you that I ask God to protect those who choose to put their life on the line for their fellow man ? Are you ashamed that you have not yet served your country ? Anyone who chooses to be so selfless as to risk their lives for others to be free,deserves God's Blessings.

As for argument and debate-I ain't hardly had the time lately-I've had company for the last week,and they just left yesterday. Now I should have more time to argue and debate.

Btw,my girfriend is Jewish and liberal,and we git along great,even though she doesn't want to believe that Jesus Christ came and died for our salvation,I still love her,cherish her and I don't try to change her beliefs.

So..bring it on,Nullific-if ya want to argue or debate..I'm up for it.

Have a good one....Torog

Religion is elitism.

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Again, how do 'they' percieve themselves as superior? I don't believe I myself done that. I've also never said that man has all the answers, but im not about to jump to religion to make up for what cannot be explained.

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Does it upset you that I ask God to protect those who choose to put their life on the line for their fellow man ? Are you ashamed that you have not yet served your country ? Anyone who chooses to be so selfless as to risk their lives for others to be free,deserves God's Blessings.

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No, I never said you couldnt asked god to protect anyone. I asked why you claim to be concerned with freedom while all you want to do here at home is take it away. I'll never join the army because they arn't concerned with protecting freedom either. Iraq didn't attack us and I do remember seeing on the news last night that it has been two years and no weapons of mass destruction have been found. Funny how they bring this up again after the election. Diplomacy is hard, war is easy.
Guess who else never "served our country"...Bush.

And if you'd like to debate than why do you seem to be ignoring the posts befoe the single one of mine you quoted?

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THe fact that American soldiers are going to prison for humiliating prisoners of war and killing wounded insurgents who might be playing dead makes me wonder. Why should George Bush not be prosecuted? Look at all of the innocent Iraqis he has killed. The latest incident is dropping a bomb on the wrong house. I know George did not do it but under his orders it was done. For all the innocent people he has helped murder he should go to prison immediately and be euthanized. I am a proud American who believes in justice. Prosecute George W.

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I think after duly found guilty. He should be hung, drawn, and quartered.

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Howdy ithoughtiknewitall,

In this instance,you clearly don't know much..and I seriously doubt,that you even know how to be a true American,especially if you were schooled by liberal teachers who despise America.

Justice ? What about justice for those who were murdered on 09/11/01 ?

They were innocent victims too..they were murdered by muslims and we are now at war ,with the terrorists and Islam too..as far as I'm concerned.

If you want someone to die for the deaths of innocents,start with the terrorists,the countries that support them and export terror,iranian mullahs,the Syrian president..etc,they are the ones that want to murder you-not President Bush.

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Wow you are fucking stupid. What liberal anything have to do with shit? You are stupid and ignorant, whats your excuse, you are from texas?
Iraq had nothing to do with 9-11, but america deserved 9-11 anyway, so boo fucking hoo

"Countries are INVITING democrats, and NEGLECTING republicans, becuase the world KNOWS republicans are nothing but stupid, ignorant, brainwashed bastards that have no intelligence whatsoever."

So following that thought process, over half of Americans are 'stupid, ignorant, brainwashed bastards'. Any thoughts on that?

[Check out 911truth.org if you want to know more. For a great laugh check out bushorchimps.com

[B]It blew me away

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Again, how do 'they' percieve themselves as superior? I don't believe I myself done that. I've also never said that man has all the answers, but im not about to jump to religion to make up for what cannot be explained.

" Liberals feel they are superior,because they believe that they have all the answers to Man-kind's ills,they feel superior,because they don't have a strict moral code,their minds are 'open',whereas folks of Faith,are considered to be close-minded,unable to think for themselves and locked into a moral code based on black and white terms..liberals feel superior to all of that. Liberal,metrosexual,city-slickers,have always considered themselves superior to country folks,believing them to be un-educated and stupid. There are multitudes of ways,that liberals consider themselves to be superior to their fellow man. "

No, I never said you couldnt asked god to protect anyone. I asked why you claim to be concerned with freedom while all you want to do here at home is take it away. I'll never join the army because they arn't concerned with protecting freedom either. Iraq didn't attack us and I do remember seeing on the news last night that it has been two years and no weapons of mass destruction have been found. Funny how they bring this up again after the election. Diplomacy is hard, war is easy.
Guess who else never "served our country"...Bush.

" Bush served his country,he learned how to fly a fighter jet-just because he didn't pull combat duty-doesn't mean that he didn't serve his country. As for the wmd's,they were all moved out,just prior to combat operations,to Syria,Iran and elsewhere..probably aided by the russians and french. "

And if you'd like to debate than why do you seem to be ignoring the posts befoe the single one of mine you quoted?

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Some posts are not worthy of debate , open-minded liberals,sometimes have their minds firmly closed to debate,truth or facts..I ain't got enough time to do battle with all the hate-filled liberals. I can only sit at the computer for a couple hours,before I have to lay down on my side and relieve the pain in my back.

Have a good one...Torog

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"Countries are INVITING democrats, and NEGLECTING republicans, becuase the world KNOWS republicans are nothing but stupid, ignorant, brainwashed bastards that have no intelligence whatsoever."

So following that thought process, over half of Americans are 'stupid, ignorant, brainwashed bastards'. Any thoughts on that?

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That's precisely what it means. Luckily the rest of us can rely on the other half for reassurance. Much respect to every American on this thread that speaks out against Bush.

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Wow you are fucking stupid. What liberal anything have to do with shit? You are stupid and ignorant, whats your excuse, you are from texas?
Iraq had nothing to do with 9-11, but america deserved 9-11 anyway, so boo fucking hoo

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sometimes i wished i would follow my own advice and ignore people but curiousity has you read a thread and you see some shit that makes ya want to just beat some idiot over the head like a caveman,become uncivilized in a blink of the eye when you meet a barbarian ya better be a bad ass is my take on it.


man your name says it all for you"braindead'
"but america deserved 9-11 anyway"
wtf is that to say ?
man your so low i cant even put a name on it but i'm sure no one gives a fuck what you have to say anyway

in that logic
you deserve to be the first person to contract the newest desease to plague mankind,
hope your gonads swell up the size of ya empty head,
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now back to my jiont

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Some posts are not worthy of debate , open-minded liberals,sometimes have their minds firmly closed to debate,truth or facts..I ain't got enough time to do battle with all the hate-filled liberals.

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How can you say that "open-minded liberals have their minds firmly closed to debate" when a previous post stated "if ya want to argue or debate..I'm up for it."?
How can you ignore others opinions and instead of give your own constructive criticism simply say that they are bastard liberals and not worth it?

Again who is refusing to argu here, the stereotypical conservative, or the stereotypical liberal?

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How can you say that "open-minded liberals have their minds firmly closed to debate" when a previous post stated "if ya want to argue or debate..I'm up for it."?
How can you ignore others opinions and instead of give your own constructive criticism simply say that they are bastard liberals and not worth it?

Again who is refusing to argu here, the stereotypical conservative, or the stereotypical liberal?

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Howdy Nullific,

I suppose that I should have said that I don't have the time to debate with young,hate-filled liberals,who don't really want to debate-but instead,hurl insults and profanity..just for the thrill of seeing it on the screen. At least you can spell good enough to understand you and you seem to have more than a couple brain cells,to rub together..also,young liberals,have little life experience and tend to follow and spout,whatever the current liberal mantra is,without question.

Groups like ANSWER and MOVEON,are filled with proffessional socialist and communist propagandists,and young liberals don't stand a chance,against that level of indoctrination.

What say you ?

Have a good one...Torog

All I can say is that Bush got over 51% of the vote. Do you know how long it has been since a President had done that? What about Clinto should he be killed too? He was the in more wars than Bush. That doesn't matter though does it? And by they way I hate to be the one to infrom some of you that wmds were found. I don't see how you can say they were not. You could say stock piles were not found that would be true. He did have enuf time to move them befor being invaded. So if your going to say that Bush should be killed than so should Clinton and about every other President. The liberal press did not dring all of his wars to your attention though, so it must not matter. Cause its to hard to do research. It is to bad that a cold fact of war is innocent death, but it is. Just one last note you dont need to attack someone personally just because they differ from your opion, and name calling come on grow up. Be a little more open minded and bigger than that.

[QUOTE=psychocat]Religion is elitism.[/QUote
Hows that???????????

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I suppose that I should have said that I don't have the time to debate with young,hate-filled liberals,who don't really want to debate-but instead,hurl insults and profanity..just for the thrill of seeing it on the screen. At least you can spell good enough to understand you and you seem to have more than a couple brain cells,to rub together..also,young liberals,have little life experience and tend to follow and spout,whatever the current liberal mantra is,without question.

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You can't just label everybody that disagrees with you a liberal and then say that all liberals do is hurl insults. What 'insults' have been 'hurled' by the 'young liberals' on this thread? Of course you'll get some pricks from both sides of the argument who only know how to defend their point of view with namecalling. You have no idea what the political views/age/religion/sexual preference anybody else on this board has and cannot very well call them all young bastard liberals.

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All I can say is that Bush got over 51% of the vote. Do you know how long it has been since a President had done that? What about Clinto should he be killed too? He was the in more wars than Bush. That doesn't matter though does it? And by they way I hate to be the one to infrom some of you that wmds were found. I don't see how you can say they were not. You could say stock piles were not found that would be true. He did have enuf time to move them befor being invaded. So if your going to say that Bush should be killed than so should Clinton and about every other President. The liberal press did not dring all of his wars to your attention though, so it must not matter. Cause its to hard to do research. It is to bad that a cold fact of war is innocent death, but it is. Just one last note you dont need to attack someone personally just because they differ from your opion, and name calling come on grow up. Be a little more open minded and bigger than that.

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You make some interesting claims. First i'll say that neither the rebuplicans or democrats are very good at running the country, the way I see it they're both corrupt and a democracy where people vote between only two parties is complete bullshit.
You say they found weapons of mass destruction: do you have any sources to back this up?
I have been able to find plenty stating otherwise.
Lack of weapons of mass destruction comes back to haunt Bush
No WMDs in Iraq

Election was rigged and stolen

Liberal media?
The US has a liberal media
It's the media, stupid!
The myth of the liberal media

Religion could be considered elitism, because, if you havn't noticed religious people often tend to think that their beliefs are correct and above those of others. Christian have also made the claim that they're religion and god was one and true, and being the majority in a free country such as america they think that acknowledgement of their god should be seen in school, court houses, inauguration prayers etc.

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Simple really
They all profess to being THE path to follow and any other way is inferior or evil.
Heirachy exists even within religion.

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You can't just label everybody that disagrees with you a liberal and then say that all liberals do is hurl insults. What 'insults' have been 'hurled' by the 'young liberals' on this thread? Of course you'll get some pricks from both sides of the argument who only know how to defend their point of view with namecalling. You have no idea what the political views/age/religion/sexual preference anybody else on this board has and cannot very well call them all young bastard liberals.

You make some interesting claims. First i'll say that neither the rebuplicans or democrats are very good at running the country, the way I see it they're both corrupt and a democracy where people vote between only two parties is complete bullshit.
You say they found weapons of mass destruction: do you have any sources to back this up?
I have been able to find plenty stating otherwise.
Lack of weapons of mass destruction comes back to haunt Bush
No WMDs in Iraq

Election was rigged and stolen

Liberal media?
The US has a liberal media
It's the media, stupid!
The myth of the liberal media

Religion could be considered elitism, because, if you havn't noticed religious people often tend to think that their beliefs are correct and above those of others. Christian have also made the claim that they're religion and god was one and true, and being the majority in a free country such as america they think that acknowledgement of their god should be seen in school, court houses, inauguration prayers etc.

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Any thing could be considered elitism. Some one can't just say a religon it elitist just becuse they don't belive in it. Evey group has their assholes. There are even some on this site. The 2 party system does suck though can't argue there at all. I'm just wondering where all the anger comes from for Bush & doesn't include Clinton. He was the 3rd most warring Pres. in our history (I'll have to look that up to make sure I got the number right). It was even on the national news for about 2 secs that they found WMDs. But then they forgot all about it because we do have a bias liberal madia. A good book to check out is Bias. I can't rember the author right now, but if ya want I can get it for you. So how many sourses do you want. Here is what I got in about 1 min off google.

http://wwhttp://www.greatestjenerati...TICLE_ID=40754
www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,120137,00.html
www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,120268,00.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story...120720,00.html
www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4997808/
www.phrusa.org/research/ chemical_weapons/chemiraqgas2.html
http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/meast/9806/....nerve.gas.02/

I would just like to make one last point. Name calling is for the immature. Insults have been hurrled by both sides and that does no one any good. pcychocat is really good at that. Just cause you dissagree with someone doesn't make them inferer to you. Also the discussiones get no where. I guess petty people online crack me up because most are scared in real, who would never insult someone like that to their face, & if they do then they have no respect.

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also,young liberals,have little life experience and tend to follow and spout,whatever the current liberal mantra is,without question.

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Yeah, that definitely seems to be the case. I don't know about the states but in the UK, folk like that are sometimes called 'trendy lefties'. People such as Lenny Henry, Tony Robinson, Mick Hucknall et al.
It seems to be some sort of 'rebellion' by the young against the conservative forces. I also agree with you about liberal's complete inability to string a coherent argument together.

As P.J. O' Rourke said, "The principle feature of American liberalism is sanctimoniousness. By loudly denouncing all bad things -- war and hunger and date rape -- liberals testify to their own terrific goodness. More important, they promote themselves to membership in a self-selecting elite of those who care deeply about such things. It's a kind of natural aristocracy, and the wonderful thing about this aristocracy is that you don't have to be brave, smart, strong or even lucky to join it, you just have to be liberal."
(From http://en.thinkexist.com/quotation/t...is/325638.html)

What is it with this obsession for "liberals" ????
I would in no way describe myself in that way , my political standpoint is more right wing than anything else.
Yet I do not for one minute believe the US has anyone but their own interests at heart .
Bush and his military intelligence (oxymoron if ever there was one) got it wrong and started a war on a "percieved" threat , does that mean that if I think someone wants to harm me I can kill them??
I don't consider myself better than anyone but then nor do I ever feel inferior.

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What is it with this obsession for "liberals" ????
I would in no way describe myself in that way , my political standpoint is more right wing than anything else.
Yet I do not for one minute believe the US has anyone but their own interests at heart .
Bush and his military intelligence (oxymoron if ever there was one) got it wrong and started a war on a "percieved" threat , does that mean that if I think someone wants to harm me I can kill them??
I don't consider myself better than anyone but then nor do I ever feel inferior.

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Howdy psychocat,

I'm not obsessed with liberals, I'm just aware of the damage that they are trying to do to family values,their exploitation of children and their desire for a socialist country,I'm aware of their opposition to religion-Christianity,in particular,their loathing of America and the military,their consorting with the enemies of the Free World,etc.

As for President Bush,it is his sworn oath,to protect the interests and safety of America and Americans,as it is,for all presidents. If he believed that Iraq,or someone or something in Iraq,was a threat,then he acted accordingly..with unanimous approval,from all 15 members of the UN Security Council. Bush would have acted without approval-if he didn't have time for their approval-because that is his job to do so.

You think that the president shouldn't act on percieved threat..that he should gamble with American lives..if you thought that a hundred thousand Americans were going to die,if you were wrong and the percieved threat became a reality,would you tell Americans,that before you will act to protect them-that the enemy must strike the first blow ?

We cannot afford to give the enemy the benefit of the doubt-because they have said that they will use wmd's against ourr population..they've laid their cards on the table..and now it's time to play out the hand..and we will win-with or without ,the support of liberal Americans.

Have a good one...Torog

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Howdy psychocat,

I'm not obsessed with liberals, I'm just aware of the damage that they are trying to do to family values,their exploitation of children and their desire for a socialist country,I'm aware of their opposition to religion-Christianity,in particular,their loathing of America and the military,their consorting with the enemies of the Free World,etc.

As for President Bush,it is his sworn oath,to protect the interests and safety of America and Americans,as it is,for all presidents. If he believed that Iraq,or someone or something in Iraq,was a threat,then he acted accordingly..with unanimous approval,from all 15 members of the UN Security Council. Bush would have acted without approval-if he didn't have time for their approval-because that is his job to do so.

You think that the president shouldn't act on percieved threat..that he should gamble with American lives..if you thought that a hundred thousand Americans were going to die,if you were wrong and the percieved threat became a reality,would you tell Americans,that before you will act to protect them-that the enemy must strike the first blow ?

We cannot afford to give the enemy the benefit of the doubt-because they have said that they will use wmd's against ourr population..they've laid their cards on the table..and now it's time to play out the hand..and we will win-with or without ,the support of liberal Americans.

Have a good one...Torog

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The problem is that others have died for a percieved threat that turned out to be non-existant.

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I'm not obsessed with liberals, I'm just aware of the damage that they are trying to do to family values,their exploitation of children and their desire for a socialist country,I'm aware of their opposition to religion-Christianity,in particular,their loathing of America and the military,their consorting with the enemies of the Free World,etc.

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*yes my plan is to fuck with you and your family, ill do that by letting gays marry and providing abortions on demand.
*expoitation of children, how? dont rich republican ceo's own sweat shops in south-east asia.
*i also consult with americas sworn enemies , such as the dreaded french, we play a game of poker and talk about how we can further our goal of pissing off redneck americans.
*your on the ball today torog, i definitly want to destroy our military, you know i and other liberals take pleasure in seeing our troops die in iraq.
*and you also know about the socialist revolutions that lay in wait, ALL HAIL MARX.

Torog, buddy, you need to lay off what ever your on (coke/bible) your paranoid. Live and let live, no liberal is trying to hurt you or your family, how are people getting abortions effect you? how would gays marrying harm you?
heres a deal you keep your bible, 2 ton monument of the ten commandments, and belief in god, and liberals willl leave you the fuck alone. but in return you have to deal with the fact your neighbors will be gay, non-white, jesus hating, communist, atheists.

Is there any likelihood that these weapons (mustard gas) were left over from the 80s. You know, the ones we gave to Iraq to use against Iran?
http://www.belleville.com/mld/newsdemocrat/5674107.htm
Im still not too sure about this "liberal media"...for example I live in a blue state and recently on the local Fox news they were doing a story about how a school in my state wants to start random drug testing on students. They let all the concerned soccer moms have their say, and then let the ACLU have its say...however, the representative of the ACLU could only get in a couple words before they got cut off.

Hey look Torog, I HAVE PICTURES NOW TOO! :D

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"I'm so sick of arming the world, then sending troops over to destroy the fucking arms, you know what I mean? We keep arming these little countries, then we go and blow the shit out of them. We're like the bullies of the world, y'know. We're like Jack Palance in the movie Shane, throwing the pistol at the sheepherder's feet.

"Pick it up."

"I don't wanna pick it up, Mister, you'll shoot me."

"Pick up the gun."

"Mister, I don't want no trouble. I just came downtown here to get some hard rock candy for my kids, some gingham for my wife. I don't even know what gingham is, but she goes through about ten rolls a week of that stuff. I ain't looking for no trouble, Mister."

"Pick up the gun."

(He picks it up. Three shots ring out.)

"You all saw him - he had a gun." - Bill Hicks

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So guys now you know , if someone so much as looks at you strangely you can shoot them dead because they could be a threat , it must be okay because the american president does it.