Woman sues US prison over son's 86-minute execution

WASHINGTON (AFP) - The mother of a US man whose 2006 execution took 86 minutes and involved sticking needles into him 19 times has sued the prison team which oversaw the execution for civil rights violations.

On Monday Irma Clark filed suit in the Cincinnati, Ohio, district court, alleging her son Joseph Clark was exposed to "excessive suffering" violating the US constitution when he was put to death on May 2, 2006, at a state prison in Lucasville, Ohio, according to court documents.

The suit claims that two prison administrators and 12 members of the execution team ignored the fact that Clark, who had been sentenced to death for a 1984 murder, had long been an intravenous drug user making it difficult to carry out the execution by lethal injection.
Woman sues US prison over son's 86-minute execution - Yahoo! News

Clark, 47, of West Providence Township, was charged in April 2005 in connection with the disappearance and death of Notestine. She was last seen on April 30, 2000, as she was dragged into a car by a man allegedly fitting Clarkâ??s description.

The only witness to the kidnapping was Notestineâ??s son, Logan, who was 4 years old at the time.

There was no trace of the woman until spring 2004, when her skeletal remains were found by a logger in a remote area of West Providence Township. The site was about five miles from the Monroe Township mobile home Notestine shared with Ronald Grubb and their two children.
The Tribune Democrat, Johnstown, PA - Murder-case prosecution dealt setback

It only took 86 minutes? That 4 year old has a lifetime to remember his mother being drug off to her death.

My ass bleeds buttermilk for scum like this!

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

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It only took 86 minutes? That 4 year old has a lifetime to remember his mother being drug off to her death.

My ass bleeds buttermilk for scum like this!

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Evil does not justify evil. And death is a price too great for anything else.

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Evil does not justify evil. And death is a price too great for anything else.

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no, u kill some1, u deserve to die, u steal somthin u deserve somthin stolen from u...

Eye for an Eye

cruel and unusual punishment

Yeah I wont shed a damn tear. She complains that THIS was inhumane? What about his freaking victim!? That was 1,000 times worse. The needle wasnt inhumane enough if you ask me

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Murderers and pedophiles do not deserve your words.
And death happends all the time. Some people deserve it.

as for the lady bringing justice to court. that's ridiculous. but everyone sues for everything..

but the only witness was a 4 year old? how did they even know it was him? America is such a funny country, a bullet to the head would do the trick no need for the torture!

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no, u kill some1, u deserve to die, u steal somthin u deserve somthin stolen from u...
Eye for an Eye

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Then, the members of the execution team should be killed too, because they killed someone, even if this someone was a criminal. And, who executed the members of the execution team should be killed too, and so and so... does anybody would be left in the end?

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Murderers and pedophiles do not deserve your words.
And death happends all the time. Some people deserve it.

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" 'He deserves death.'
'Deserves it! I daresay he does. Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement. For even the very wise cannot see all ends. ' "

they have permision to do it, so they dont get killed... simple as that

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they have permision to do it, so they dont get killed... simple as that

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Yes... they have permission, but they still are killing someone, regardless any permissions. The permissions doesnt make a murder become less than a murder. My point is that killing someone is ALWAYS wrong, no matter who is killing or who is killed.

Fuck the death penalty for one simple reason, death is a simple escape.

I would much rather be killed by lethal injection stabbed into me 19 times then die rotting in a jail cell while constantly having to look over my shoulder to see if bubba wants some midnight loving.

^ yeah but prison isnt like it used to be. Nowadays its a hell of alot better.

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they have permision to do it, so they dont get killed... simple as that

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I guess that is bound to start a discussion on the Nuremburg trials. I'll just leave that to the rest of you guys cuz im tired.

I'll leave you a very popular quote though

"An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind" - Gandhi

One of my favorites.

Also, people need to be ore sypathetic towards people. Rent the woodsman and see what these people go through. Having to think about what youve done for years in prison is punsihment enough for most people and it doesnt have to lead to death.

And no, i am not a pedophile.

And come on. You cant convict someone based soley on the testimony of a four year old. Thats just rediculous. You wouldnt take testimony from a retarted adult so why take it form a four year old?

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^ yeah but prison isnt like it used to be. Nowadays its a hell of alot better.

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I disagree. Prisons are way over-filled in the US nowadays--there's a lot more gang violence than there used to be.

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they have permision to do it, so they dont get killed... simple as that

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Nazi soldiers also had 'permission' to kill millions of Jews. Did that make it right?

I agree with coelho and onequestion... an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.

We have plenty of room in our prisons for criminals to be reformed (or else contained where they can't do any more harm), or at least, we would have enough room, if not for all the people in prison over marijuana and other non-violent drug-related charges.

I think it's time our justice system rethinks its priorities.

psh the reforming everyone speaks so damn highly about is failing horribly. Obviously you havent been locked up. 99 percent of those losers should be shot on site and save the tax payers a shit load of money. Every one of the people I was locked up with when I was 15 are now knocked up, on welfare, doing hard ass drugs like heroin and meth. Reform? Shit, most of these people dont want help, and you cant help those who cant even admit they have a problem.

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psh the reforming everyone speaks so damn highly about is failing horribly. Obviously you havent been locked up. 99 percent of those losers should be shot on site and save the tax payers a shit load of money. Every one of the people I was locked up with when I was 15 are now knocked up, on welfare, doing hard ass drugs like heroin and meth. Reform? Shit, most of these people dont want help, and you cant help those who cant even admit they have a problem.

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99% of what losers? The prison population?
Even though it's over-crowded, and there is quite a bit of gang violence in prison (at least maximum security prisons), there are potheads and harmless people, too. Should they be shot too?

However, I do agree that prison does not help very many people reform. The people who are usually reformed are the people sentenced to life without the possibility of parole.

But haven't we all gone off-topic? ;)

No that was my point. The percent of people there for shit like pot offenses and people who want to change (like I did) are the only people there that are decent. All the other people are freaking crazy and hopeless! They get out of the prisons to reoffend or to go on welfare or whatever. Those are the people who should be taken out. All they are is a cancer on society.

Your right prison is not like it use to be. However they still house some Non Violent offeneders, in Higher level Security Prisons. Due to the Overcrowding issues all accross the U.S. I know from experience. And it most definately sucks I promise you that. As far as the death penalty, Well I have mixed feelings toward's that. What i dont agree with is that, Prisons have become big business Both inside and out. Even private Industries are now going in and getting contracts with the State. In turn they use Inmate Labor at Min wage. Which the state takes half of their pay, It's slave labor. And We the Public dont hear about these programs. I will remind you that these are not work release programs that im referring to either. These Corporations that are taking on these contracts, Have literally hit. (Gold Mines.)They are also taking jobs from Civilians that would normally receive $15.00 to $25.00 per hour for the position's. But they will pay the Inmate $5.15 per hour and work them 60 plus hours a week. Just bitching sorry. Been screwed over by the State before. I know how crooked they really are.:thumbsup:

Any reform in prison, Has to be initiated by the Individual's in question. All their programs are Bullshit. And the only people who get out and stay out are the ones who. Actually chose to do their time and not let their time do them. I did a long stretch and the Recidivism Rate was just amazing. It was like a revolving door for a lot of Dudes. It suck's but Everyone has a choice, and behind every Choice is a Consequence. Be it good or Bad.

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Your right prison is not like it use to be. However they still house some Non Violent offeneders, in Higher level Security Prisons. Due to the Overcrowding issues all accross the U.S. I know from experience. And it most definately sucks I promise you that. As far as the death penalty, Well I have mixed feelings toward's that. What i dont agree with is that, Prisons have become big business Both inside and out. Even private Industries are now going in and getting contracts with the State. In turn they use Inmate Labor at Min wage. Which the state takes half of their pay, It's slave labor. And We the Public dont hear about these programs. I will remind you that these are not work release programs that im referring to either. These Corporations that are taking on these contracts, Have literally hit. (Gold Mines.)They are also taking jobs from Civilians that would normally receive $15.00 to $25.00 per hour for the position's. But they will pay the Inmate $5.15 per hour and work them 60 plus hours a week. Just bitching sorry. Been screwed over by the State before. I know how crooked they really are.:thumbsup:

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Inmates earning $5.15 an hour, working 60 hours a week, earn over $300 a week. It doesn't sound like much, but if you adjust for room and board, medical costs, no transportation expenses, etc., it's probably equivalent to several times that much - unless, of course, the inmates have to pay these expenses out of their salaries, which I believe is done in some jails.

I feel bad for his mother, no one should have to bear the grief of losing a child and knowing they took someone elses life, has to make it that much harder. That is awful. But people make choices and have to accept the consequences, so fuck him and fuck reformation, I have no sympathy for him, his 'inhumane' death was still better than his victim got.

I am glad we have the death penalty, if you can't control yourself enough not to kill anyone then I dont want you around, you are a danger to everyone else around you and no reformation would make me feel safe enough to have you in the same world as my daughter.

It sounds all nice and forgiving to not believe in the dp, but if you ever have the misfortune (and i hope you never do) of having people you love taken away from you by some selfish asshole for no reason you might change your opinion.


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Having to think about what youve done for years in prison is punsihment enough for most people and it doesnt have to lead to death.

I understand what you mean. but I disagree. As someone who misses someone very much,there is no punishment good enough, but it made me feel a tiny bit better when a jury decided that scumbag deserved the worst punishment we can dole out. I would have been ok if he got life, but something about knowing that he didn't fool any of them, and got death, gets to sit and rot in a cell all alone for 23 hrs a day til he gets his easy death makes me feel better for a second every now and then. And my feeling better for even a second is worth more than his whole sorry stupid life, imo.

he fucked up that kids life and killed a lady but imagine knowing you're about to die for that long! it would have to be the worst feeling ever and to last that long is just terrible, even if he fucked up in the past dont u think he wished he could go back and not fuck up? one of those times, are u sorry u did it or are u sorry u got caught? he could have felt bad about it ever since he did it then like 20 years later he gets to sit there knowing hes gonna die for over an hour

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Having to think about what youve done for years in prison is punsihment enough for most people and it doesnt have to lead to death.

I understand what you mean. but I disagree. As someone who misses someone very much,there is no punishment good enough, but it made me feel a tiny bit better when a jury decided that scumbag deserved the worst punishment we can dole out. I would have been ok if he got life, but something about knowing that he didn't fool any of them, and got death, gets to sit and rot in a cell all alone for 23 hrs a day til he gets his easy death makes me feel better for a second every now and then. And my feeling better for even a second is worth more than his whole sorry stupid life, imo.

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That is just twisted logic. Your whole pint is basically "The person who killed my loved one should recieve the death penalty because it will make me feel better." That makes you just as much a killer as he was. And i would like to point out that reform is always possible. Yes, some people are just psychopaths and will always wanna kill someone just for fun but some people have resolvable issues. People also get to think about their lives while in prison and turn them around. Just look at immortal technique. He used his time in prison to study history and came out a diferent person. Sure many of his views are wrong but now he's a god person. Also look into some movies such as a clockwork orange and the woodsman to see a bit deeper into the nature of reform. You can also read the book version of a clockwork orange but its a little different.

but that is true, how can somebody loose that much control, to drag somebody off and kill her and ya maybe he shoulda been executed but not for 86 mins shit id prolly rather get a guillotine then sit there dying that long

Vernon God Little would also be a good book to read on the subject. Mostly for the later part of the book.

Well... i will ask one question for the people that are favourable to death sentences:
If, instead of some unknown person, were your son, or husband, or father that had commited that crime. Would you still wish with the same ardent conviction that the death sentence were applied? Or you would ask for mercy?
Think about it... because every question have two sides...

I don't believe in the death penalty for the simple reason that people can make mistakes. And I'm not talking about offenders, I'm talking about people who convict alleged offenders. I'd hate to lose someone to the death penalty because of a corrupt system.

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I think that saying it makes me no better than the killer kind of talk is bullshit. I did not make a choice to take 3 innocent lives, he did. He made a choice knowing full well what the punishment could be.

My daughter knows the rules around here and she knows what the consequences are for breaking them. She is never surprised when she gets grounded for something. Why do killers act all surprised when their stupid asses get caught and society expects them to pay for their crimes?

Coelho-- It would break my heart forever if a child or other relative of mine killed somebody. And of course i wouldnt want them to die for it. But I would also understand that they made a choice and consequences have to happen.

Now Im only a bitch like this about killers and pedophiles. Cause that shit is heinous and unforgivable to me. I have no problem with most of the folks who go to prison, see the error of their ways and reform. Nothing but respect for people strong enough to turn their lives around like that.

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I don't believe in the death penalty for the simple reason that people can make mistakes. And I'm not talking about offenders, I'm talking about people who convict alleged offenders. I'd hate to lose someone to the death penalty because of a corrupt system.

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I've never found one single case of a person that was killed with the death penalty, and later proven innocent. This is NOT the same as somebody being released from Death Row - I'm only talking actual executions.

As for a "corrupt" system, I'd say that there are a lot more people getting away with violent crimes than innocent people getting convicted of crimes they didn't commit.

With the number of people being 'released' from Death Row seen as a percent of the population, and the number of executions over the years, there can be little doubt that innocents have been executed.

I had always been in favor of the death penalty, but with these 'mistakes' coming to light and the great comparative cost of a death penalty vs life sentence (due to endless appeals), I find it difficult to justify anymore.

Note: I have no problem executing the truly guilty (viscious murderers, serial rapists, child molesters, etc), I would even flip the switch (or whatever). BUT, if we are to do it we need to do it right, quickly and cleanly. This botched effort here cannot be repeated, and to that end I hope she wins her suit.

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Well... i will ask one question for the people that are favourable to death sentences:
If, instead of some unknown person, were your son, or husband, or father that had commited that crime. Would you still wish with the same ardent conviction that the death sentence were applied? Or you would ask for mercy?
Think about it... because every question have two sides...

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Ummmm....I'm confused. I am obviously against the death penalty so why are you asking me this? You might have been high when you wrote this so i wont count it against you. This is after all a cannabis board.

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I think that saying it makes me no better than the killer kind of talk is bullshit. I did not make a choice to take 3 innocent lives, he did. He made a choice knowing full well what the punishment could be.

My daughter knows the rules around here and she knows what the consequences are for breaking them. She is never surprised when she gets grounded for something. Why do killers act all surprised when their stupid asses get caught and society expects them to pay for their crimes?

Coelho-- It would break my heart forever if a child or other relative of mine killed somebody. And of course i wouldnt want them to die for it. But I would also understand that they made a choice and consequences have to happen.

Now Im only a bitch like this about killers and pedophiles. Cause that shit is heinous and unforgivable to me. I have no problem with most of the folks who go to prison, see the error of their ways and reform. Nothing but respect for people strong enough to turn their lives around like that.

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Wow, you should be ashamed to use that sort of twisted logic on a cannabis board. People who smoke weed know full well that it can land them in jail, but we still choose to do it. Now when one of us gets a sent to prison for a couple of years, does that make it right? No, it doesnt. Same thing with the death penalty. Think aboout it. I think youare letting your emotions get in the way of reason. I'm sure you wouldn't support the death penalty if some twisted fuck didnt kill people you knew.

I would also like to add that sometimes people just dont think about what theyre doing and the people that their crimes affect. Being in the court room with the victim's crying friends and family can often put things into perspective and ensure that what they did would never happen again.

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Ummmm....I'm confused. I am obviously against the death penalty so why are you asking me this? You might have been high when you wrote this so i wont count it against you. This is after all a cannabis board.

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Well... i will ask one question for the people that are favourable to death sentences:
If, instead of some unknown person, were your son, or husband, or father that had commited that crime. Would you still wish with the same ardent conviction that the death sentence were applied? Or you would ask for mercy?
Think about it... because every question have two sides...

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I don't think the (one) question that he asked was directed at you, onequestion. ;) Note the space between 'one' and 'question' But that's an easy mistake to make, especially if you're high. :jointsmile:

Maybe I do let my emotions get in the way a little bit, but I was in favor of the dp before, too.

Smokin weed and murder are two very different things, I don't see why you are even goin there, really.

We think weed should be legal. We are right. And none of us should be punished.

(almost) No one thinks murder should be legal.

you said:I would also like to add that sometimes people just dont think about what theyre doing and the people that their crimes affect. Being in the court room with the victim's crying friends and family can often put things into perspective and ensure that what they did would never happen again.

And if that person was there because of stealing - fine. give him another chance. If he steals again, big deal, its just money. but ya cant take chances with peoples lives like that if he was a murderer.

I dont think my logic is twisted but wtf, I dont know anything bout anything anymore so i will think about it and see if i feel the same tomorrow. which i probably will.
night :)

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I've never found one single case of a person that was killed with the death penalty, and later proven innocent. This is NOT the same as somebody being released from Death Row - I'm only talking actual executions.

As for a "corrupt" system, I'd say that there are a lot more people getting away with violent crimes than innocent people getting convicted of crimes they didn't commit.

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I think there shouldn't be a death row in the first place, but sometimes, a life sentence should be a REAL life sentence.

Your point was that since the killer knew that the death penalty existed, it is justified. I dont know how that is different than saying being punished for weed is justifiable since we know it is punishable. It is not nearly as different as you think. Also, i looked back at my post and notice that I said you were as bad as the killer who you wished to be put to death. I was insensitive but i'm sure you understood my point.

And i feel pretty stupid about thinking that question was directed towards me. I just thought that the guy was a little confused lol.

Watch Lock-Up on MSNBC sometime.......most of these poor people doing life really don't give a rats if they shank someone in prison. What's another life sentence to them? In the meantime some poor bastard in there for a non-violent crime has to live with that scum for the duration of their sentence.

Imagine this.....your "loved one" gets 5 years for some type of robbery and you receive word that he's been killed behind bars by somebody doing double life for a multiple murders. I'd be VERY pissed off that they didn't fry that dude in the first place.

Have a good one!:jointsmile: