I'm sorry to announce but I found out today that Jesus is indeed against the use of cannabis..oh well.. :stoned::rasta::rastasmoke:
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I'm sorry to announce but I found out today that Jesus is indeed against the use of cannabis..oh well.. :stoned::rasta::rastasmoke:
Heretic!
Well you can't just walk in here and state it, give us a link! Or is this one of those "channelings" again...:wtf:
i doubt he was against cannabis. some evangelical christian or some other radical christian or catholic probably just came up with that to slander weed. just like the government propaganda ads against marijuana most of what the say isnt true.
It's pure blasphemy. The bible clearly says that every green herb was given to us by god, and that god wants us to use them.
Jesus loves the herb.
Pure Evil, does it mean you will stop smoking?
As a healer, I think it more likely that He was accustomed to it's use as medicine (especially there on the edge of Persia), and would only be against it if it ruled your life.
your name says it all , pure evil
Any thing that controls your life in a negative way is sin. For some 1 beer is to many. For those to drink is a sin. Some people cannot control their lust, and thus it rules their life and is a sin. Some people's lives are ruled solely by $$, and thus greed is a sin. That does not mean for any one to drink a few beers, enjoy sex, and want to save a few bucks is a sin. I believe that any thing in excess can be sinful. Seek moderation and follow the ten commandments, which by the way are good thinmgs to do anyway.
STIMPY1
damn, better roll another one up because of that
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Originally Posted by STIMPY21
I find it disturbing that people are so pumped to follow the ten commandments in Exodus 20 but then ignore the concept of selling your daughter into slavery in Exodus 21... :wtf:
Indeed. Right after the Ten Commandments God gives a whole slew of rules on how to properly conduct the ownership of slaves, and all throughout Exodus are rules on how to properly conduct animal sacrifices whose scents are "pleasing to the Lord". Why, out of all these commandments, are only those Ten considered sacred? Nowhere is there a verse that says "Just kidding" or "You can start ignoring this one in a few thousand years once you develop more sophisticated moral and legal philosophies".Quote:
Originally Posted by couch-potato
Anyhow, back to the original topic, there is nothing in the New Testament about weed. Believe me, I've read it.
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And Jesus entered the temple, where the disciples were smoking ganj. "Why tokest thou of this herb? Dost thou not know that mine Father hath forbidden its usage, for it is but a tool of Satan?" And the disciples did extinguish the flame and start a D.A.R.E. group."
Why do most Christians keep talking about the Ten Commandments? I read the New Testament, and the Two Commandments replaced the Ten, according to Jesus.
1. Love God with all your heart, might, mind, and soul.
. . . and the second is like unto the first . . .
2. Love Thy Neighbor as Thyself.
That's it, those Two include the Ten and any other thing you can think of, interpreted broadly.
The Mosaic law was done away with by the Christ, it was a lesser law than the Two given above. The Israelites were not ready for these broad law's, and so were given specifics (see Deuteronomy) on everything. After all, they were worshipping a golden calf when Moses came down the mountain, that's got to tell you something about their state of development.
Just a pet peeve of mine, when they ignore their own scriptures (I am a Christian, but 'they' are the unbendable ones).
Speaking of Christians ignoring parts of their holy book, what's up with them not reading Matthew 5:17-19? These are supposed to be the words from Jesus' own mouth, right in the middle of the freaking Sermon on the Mount.Quote:
Originally Posted by MajMike
That means Mosaic law is still in effect, and I deserve to be stoned because I just got done breaking the commandment against working on the Sabbath.Quote:
Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
I agree that He came not to destroy the law, but He did come to redefine the law and give us a deeper understanding of what it meant. The Two encompass the Ten and virtually everything else one can think of, it was a broadening of perspective not possible with the Israelites in the time of Moses.
It's the difference between a crush and being in love, each is true but one is deeper and truer. With the New Testament and Christ's teachings we are given a higher law, one that requires more of us that ever before.
I seek not to convince you, just to further explain my position.
Would the Jesus of history say it is bad...or the Jesus of religion? There is a difference.
Know ye not that the 4 canonical Gospels were edited years after they were written? Paul's letters predate the Gospels, so how could Paul have know what Jesus really said?
I think the Jesus of religion would because Christianity has always been a dogmatic religion before the Edict of Milan in 313 AD.
Just look at Irenaeus' "Against Heresies" which he wrote demonizing the Gnostics in the second century AD.
But the Jesus of religion is also quoted as saying in Matthew 15:11 "It is not what enters into the mouth that defiles the man, but what proceeds out of the mouth, this defiles the man."
I believe cannabis is a master plant..connected to higher spirit realms. I don't smoke to get "fucked up". I use it to relax my mind and body and concentrate on certain things and get better insights.
Jesus' main teachings were about unconditional love and acceptance of others...mostly to those whom were called sinners and outcasts.
wow, really got flamed to hell on that one..not gonna stop smoking it but it was from the book walking with the master by elizabeth clare
Okay, so please explain to me your position on how Jesus gives us a "deeper understanding" of the meaning of the following commandments from the Lord:Quote:
Originally Posted by MajMike
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Originally Posted by Leviticus 20:13
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Originally Posted by Exodus 21:7
I really don't see how Jesus' "love thy neighbor" philosophy meshes with selling people into slavery or stoning gay men and rape victims. These were barbaric laws and certainly not divinely inspired. There is no deeper truth to a passage that directly commands you to kill gay men. What's the deeper truth to that? That God is a bigot?Quote:
Originally Posted by Deuteronomy 22:23-24
Either Jesus was lying when he said he would not destroy one jot or tittle of the law (these are some pretty significant jots and tittles, you must admit), or Jesus does indeed advocate slavery and execution of gays and rape victims.
Yea, "it" was "from" a "channeling" "."Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf_The_Grey
Then why are there references to cannabis in the bible ? The healing Tree cmon it's obvious.Quote:
Originally Posted by PureEvil760
The bible is outdated, its funny I have a friend that puts all of his faith into the bible, then thinks the shit that I read isnt real. I mean if you believe in the bible at all you have to believe in spiritual power, because it was just about a man who was a fully enabled human that displayed incredible spiritual power. Any of you can have all the abilities Jesus had, why not?
No, it's not that obvious. Not if you actually study the context the story was written in and the history of the book. The ancient Jews most likely did not know of the intoxicating properties of the cannabis plant. After all, they lived in the frickin desert, where there aren't that many weed plants.
Next you're going to try to tell me that the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil was weed too, and the fruit that Adam and Eve ate was really just a fruity nug that they smoked.
Really? Could you teach me how to walk on water? I bet the Coast Guard would pay me a lot of money to find out how...Quote:
Originally Posted by PureEvil760
I'm afraid you're channeling the Incubush.Quote:
Originally Posted by PureEvil760
First, you need a shitload of Jell-o...Quote:
Originally Posted by Oneironaut
The best way I can explain this is trying to fully understand the concept of duality and understanding early Christianity.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oneironaut
Lets start from the beginning. The Bible has both an Old and a New Testament. The Old is the old law..and the New is the new law. We'll consider the OT "Dark" because of its draconian laws....and the NT "Light" for its love and acceptance of sinners.
Then this man Y'shua of Nazareth comes along in the mid 20s-30s AD preaching love and acceptance. He went AGAINST the established religious order.
My research and beliefs have led me to believe that Jesus came to fully explain the purpose of religion...that it is basically a test and it is not really needed...as love is the way to God...not rules and regulations as the OT concerned itself with. He displayed the balance of "rules and love". Yes rules are put in place...put you learn why they are broken.
Jesus was than crucified as a criminal. In the Synoptic Gospels (Matt-Mark-Luke), Jesus is crucified because he cleanses the Temple. In John..which is really a Gnostic influenced Gospel which was almost ousted from the Bible, Jesus is crucified for raising Lazarus. Understand the differences too between the Gospels as there are contradictions to them.
Jesus was a rebel, plain and simple. He forgave others, where the law said to condemn. HE SHOWED COMPASSION!!!! That is integration of both light/dark. Jesus' god was not the God of destruction or the dead...but of life.
No pain...no gain. We need evil and bad stuff in this world so we can realize that it is the struggle which makes us grow spiritually. Jesus discovered this and taught it. As much as I don't like it in my current mindset here on Earth..I accept it.
Jesus is against Cannabis prohibition.
Those Old Testament (OT) laws are beyond my ability to reconcile with the concept of a loving God, maybe a Rabbi could explain it but not me.
When you talk about doing away with the law, there is a difference between the law as represented in the OT and the laws as God intended. It is the latter which are not done away with, the former are of men (obviously I don't take them literally, though I know many do).
I readily admit I do not have all the answers, and I don't know anyone who does. What I do know is that "Love Thy Neighbor" includes everyone, and I believe those three words are the crux of the entire New Testament.
I think they should re-write the bible, into modern terms. For example
{Leviticus 20:13}Quote:
If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
would become
or (Deuteronomy 22:23-24)Quote:
If two dudes bang, kill 'em
would beQuote:
If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her; Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city; and the man, because he hath humbled his neighbour's wife: so thou shalt put away evil from among you.
this is an epic idea... if only I had the time to translate the ENTIRE bible from bible-babble to modern-day terms... I think a lot more people would read the bible if it were in words they could understand (since people don't like to think too hard, nowadays)Quote:
If you fuck a married chick, throw rocks at both of them, so he doesn't fuck your's
Not at this point in my development, it is somthing that must be self taught, but it is also somthing you already have full knowlage of. Newborn babies are fully enabled like Jesus, but that experience is forgotten as they grow up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oneironaut
I'm not saying that Jesus hates people that smoke because there is never judgment involved with the way God works. Jesus has suggested though, that smoking is not a great thing for spiritual change, which is all he cares about..humanity rising spiritually and freedom from the dominance of self.
I am quitting now so that I can get a job which requires a drug test before training and random testing during employment. Its a little Ironinc..today Im gonna smoke the rest of what I got cause training will start the first monday of august..got a few hours to smoke an eighth
huh? where the hell are you getting all this crap? i was enabled like jesus as a baby??? god doesn't make judgments??? "religious" people are funny.Quote:
Originally Posted by PureEvil760
I am not "religious" I follow no guidelines as to how to guide my spirituality. I am getting this crap (you can call truth crap, its still not going to change just for you) from sincerly studying spiritual text only that I believe to be true.Quote:
Originally Posted by cacayjunasian
Judgement is a human ideal, God does not judge, God will love you completely and equally no matter what you do in this life. There is no judgement.
he 'was' against cannabis...
let me guess, you're one of the "i'm not RELIGIOUS, but i am very SPIRITUAL", people? and since you're following your own spiritual guidelines, your own rules, your own bible, it must be the truth.Quote:
Originally Posted by PureEvil760
lmao...are you serious? god does not judge??? well, let's see...god did pass judgment on the entire human race when adam and eve decided to eat some fruit, and then there was that minor flood because god didn't like our evil ways, and there was that little city called sodom that he destroyed, and then there were those plagues on egypt-frogs, flies, disease, death-that was especially touching.Quote:
Originally Posted by PureEvil760
the list goes on and on. since when did god become too good to judge? even "religious" people have coined it DIVINE JUDGMENT. like god's too good for just regular old judgment. :rolleyes: fear is a huge part of religion and how do you produce fear if god doesn't pass judgment?
Well if Jesus is against cannabis then he most be pissed at his Holy Father because look what he has done...the seed has been spread throughout the very Earth he created--basically everywhere. But yeah, there's no doubt that God is a fan of that Mary Jane.
I truly believe GOD put herb on earth for us......
It's the abuse, money and greed that comes from weed that is contolled by evil.
Just like GOD created Adam & Eve, but despite his warning, they still bit the apple.
No, it is his belief.Quote:
Originally Posted by reaper666
A truth is not subjective, it does not depend on the person who is stating it, a truth is a truth is a truth no matter where it comes from, who says it, or when it was said.
a verified or indisputable fact, proposition, principle, or the like;
ideal or fundamental reality apart from and transcending perceived experience
who cares if some bloke whos been dead for 1000's of years was for or against weed fuck him lol get with the times
While I agree with your sentiments about living in the present, by definition Jesus is relevant in this discussion because this thread is a question about Him.
All: I reiterate my belief that He probably used cannabis as a Healer (on patients), as most healers did in those times. The only way He would be against it would be if one allowed it to control their lives, and He would be against any other controlling proclivity as well. Alcohol, sex, drugs, power, and anything else which dominates your life so that it clouds your purpose here are what He opposes.
Life is vastly bigger than any of these things, and (again, imho) He wants us to realize that and see all that this existence offers.
Peace.