Secular Fundamentalism in America

Secular Fundamentalism In America (Communism Parading As Liberty)
Christian Underground ^ | Jan. 8, 2005 | Gary Schneider


The Christian Underground http://www.christian-underground.com --- Secular Fundamentalism in America by Gary Schneider Jan 6, 2005

Have you forgotten already? Has the anger, angst and concern you felt just a few short weeks ago dissipated as you recall the opprobrious attempts by secularists to suppress your First Amendment rights, and oppress people of faith that were highlighted over this holiday season? I haven't forgotten. Indeed, I commence this new year with a renewed vigor to aggressively challenge the oppressive efforts of the radical Secular Fundamentalist element in America.

Here are just a few quick reminders:

- A California School district forbids teacher from providing handouts that reference significant documents in U.S. history because they mention God.

- In schools throughout the country students were forbidden to say Merry Christmas, hand out Christmas cards, or sing Christmas carols with religious references contained in them.

- The right to display the Ten Commandments on public grounds has been lost or is being challenged in Alabama, Ohio, Kentucky and Texas to name a few.

- The tax exempt status of churches is being actively challenged by extremist groups such Americans United for Separation of Church and State and their ilk using the argument that they receive benefits such as roads, sewers, police and fire protection!

- The honorable Boy Scouts of America is facing legal attacks of unparalleled proportions from these same organizations due to their recognition of God.

- School Choice is being aggressively opposed for fear it represents a "Trojan Horse" that will (oh dread) expose children to God. This despite considerable support for school choice among a key liberal constituencyâ?¦minorities.

- In Pennsylvania, Christians face up to 47 years in prison for reading the Bible in public during a homosexual event. And many more egregious examples of attempts by such fundamentalists to restrict the freedom of religion, expression and individual liberty, from sea to shining sea, are ongoing.

Freedom and liberty, according to the American tradition, have been commensurate to a value â?¦ a sacred unalienable right endowed to us by our creator. Yet, on the hierarchy of sacred rights, freedom and liberty are being pushed aside by capricious and contrived new world axioms imploring that "though shalt not offend" (note: this axiom largely only applies to Conservatives and Christians). In this left wing, politically correct netherworld, unabridged "freedom" should only be afforded to those who will not engage in activities that challenge the perceived inerrancy of liberal doctrine or their sanctified special interestsâ?¦or so is the illiberal world of the Secular Fundamentalist.

In nearly all aspects, barring the existence of a supernatural being, Secularism has established itself as a religion. Secularists maintain a strict set of beliefs, values and ideals to which they pursue with an unyielding zeal and devotion that nearly parallels that of their Islamo-Fascist comrades; the core of which is the belief that considerations of (primarily the Judeo-Christian) God should be strictly excluded from civil affairs or public education. And they actively support, maintain and proselytize these beliefs via highly organized means and institutions that are well funded by their donations. The question remains though: What other tenets do they hold as gospel? And from where are they derived?

The reality is, when one scratches just slightly below the already transparent surface of the secular left, you find a Liberal or Socialist using secularism as a means to an endâ?¦for if you remove God as the grantor of the unalienable rights of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, you relegate the sole authority to grant and maintain these rights to the state. This is a Socialists' utopia and mankind's (historically proven) nightmare. In furtherance of their statist faith, these fundamentalists seek to subjugate the will of those who embrace belief systems that threaten their own. That is, the supremacy of rights endowed to man by a creator, over those architected by man and implemented via the state, threaten their very doctrinal foundation. Clearly, pluralism is no longer trait that the left can claim, for they recognize that vetted truth, derived from free, fair and open discourse, will spell their continued dissolution.

In a now broadly distributed quote, It was the ACLU's founder, Roger Baldwin, who said: "We are for socialism, disarmament, and ... We seek the social ownership of property, the abolition of the propertied class, and the sole control of those who produce wealth. Communism is the goal." Folks, simply connect the dots.

And as with all faith systems, Secularism has its zealots and radicals to what is already an extremist doctrine at its base. These secular fundamentalists and their organizations such as moveon.org, the ACLU, American's Coming Together, Americans United for Separation of Church and State, etc., represent in my opinion, the proverbial "enemy from within" for those of us who embrace the American vision framed by our Founding Fathers.

Surprisingly, many in the Democratic Party, it appears, also deem these secular left wing-nuts as the enemy within and are progressing efforts to purge, or at least marginalize, this element from their ranks by promoting the "New Democrat". This movement, spearheaded by The Democratic Leadership Council (www.ndol.org), apparently seeks to reestablish a more moderate party platform ... or at least tone. According to their website: "New Democrats are the modernizers of the progressive tradition in American politics. We believe in the traditional values that have always propelled the Democratic Party and we believe that the best way to further those values in a new era is to modernize our policies and programs to keep up with the changing times."

The very probable risk here, of course, is that the Democrats will be successful at modifying there liberal "new speak" to a tone that is more palatable to the American mainstream while not truly modifying their policies, or breaking away from the extremist forces within their party to which they have become so beholdenâ?¦Stay closely tuned.

Irrespective of Democratic Party platform changes or potential moderation in tone, this Cultural-Political war for the soul of America is very much in play. Understand that what is now coined as the "culture war" comes down to one faith (secularism) seeking to suppress another; and cloaking secular oppression in the language of American liberty does nothing to mitigate this fact.

A controversial ad released by Americans United for Separation of Church and State (AU) stated that "maybe we should just let religious fundamentalists (read Christians) take over the United States (after all, it's worked so well in Iran.)" Ironically, if mainstream Americans do not stand up against organizations such as AU, the ACLU, etc., then ceding control of America to radical fundamentalists is exactly what we will be doing.

Gary Schneider is the President and founder of TheRealityCheck.Org, Inc. TheRealityCheck.org, Inc. is a conservative issue advocacy and information group established to promote and defend conservative social, political and economic principles nationally. They are located in Fairfield County, CT. [email protected] http://www.christian-underground.com...ad.php?sid=234 Posted to the CU: 2005-01-07 02:15:47 CST ======================================== We will Pray WHEN we want School - WHERE we want Work - The Street - The Mall - Persecute Us At Your Own Peril! The Christian Underground http://www.christian-underground.com ========================================

A secular America--is a doomed nation..like a snowball..headed for Hell.

What say you ?

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Originally Posted by Torog

A secular America--is a doomed nation..like a snowball..headed for Hell.

What say you ?

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Originally Posted by Torog

- The right to display the Ten Commandments on public grounds has been lost or is being challenged in Alabama, Ohio, Kentucky and Texas to name a few.

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the abilty to put them in court houses, which are suppose to be blind to race and religion is challenged, and rightfully so. also why the fuck does anyone need a 2 ton monument of the ten commandments anyway, but if you do put it on your front lawn no problem there, not where my tax dollars go.

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Originally Posted by Torog

- A California School district forbids teacher from providing handouts that reference significant documents in U.S. history because they mention God.

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no thats not true if you know the facts from the case, not the religious rights version. The teacher was handing out documents which he edited to give a skewed view of history by overplaying christianitys role in the founding of the nation.

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Originally Posted by Torog

In Pennsylvania, Christians face up to 47 years in prison for reading the Bible in public during a homosexual event. And many more egregious examples of attempts by such fundamentalists to restrict the freedom of religion, expression and individual liberty, from sea to shining sea, are ongoing.

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once again you have the facts wrong, first off there was more than one guy involved it was an entire church group, they didnt just reading the bible they were screaming at the gays about how their abominations and going to hell(hate speech), they were also charged with inciting a riot, and the 47years is the maximum punishment for all the church members, which figures to be about a year each, and anyway the district attorney showed little interest as did the gay group whose parade it was, in inforcing the max. punishment, a few may get probation but not 47 fuckn years.

some of the points you make are legitimate like the boy scouts being banned from state parks, and how its no longer christmas vacation in school but rather winter. But the bulk of your argument about how theres a conspiracy against christianity is bullshit. no ones stopping you from going to church or putting the ten commandments or a nativity scene on your property. i just dont want the goverment which i pay taxes to, to waste my money on religious displays and shove religion in my face when i go to city hall or a court. You guys play the victim so fucking much its sickening, i thought in the bible theres a saying 'give unto ceaser what is ceasers and unto god what is gods' that means the goverment isnt suppose to prop religion up, and to deal with it when god isnt in the goverment. Also i guess you believe im going to hell so why not let me have a good time on earth being a atheist, youll have enough religion if theres a heaven and you get to go to it.

Torog, you're a cool guy, but sometimes you really spout a lot of bullshit... I don't have the energy nor the will to debate these things, because I feel in the end it's useless. Let's agree to disagree and smoke a fat joint together :D

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Originally Posted by F L E S H

Torog, you're a cool guy, but sometimes you really spout a lot of bullshit... I don't have the energy nor the will to debate these things, because I feel in the end it's useless. Let's agree to disagree and smoke a fat joint together :D

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Howdy FLESH,

Thanx for them kind words,and I see no reason why we shouldn't be able to agree to disagree..I'm always ready to toke a big doobie !

I reckon that I could spin my wheels debatin juggalo,but it's really point-less to argue with a youngun who doesn't have enough life experience to deal with the truth,and gits bogged down in liberalisms and polictical correctness.

Have a good one...Torog

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Originally Posted by F L E S H

I don't have the energy nor the will to debate these things, because I feel in the end it's useless.

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me neither. I totally disagree with Torog on this one - Church and State should be seperate on all acounts. If not, then its just another form of predujice. But, for once, I digress :) (and i dont want torog to call me a "youngun who doesn't have enough life experience to deal with the truth,and gits bogged down in liberalisms and polictical correctness" lol)

Why would christian church groups get to operate for free?

Pay the tax assholes!

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Originally Posted by GHoSToKeR

me neither. I totally disagree with Torog on this one - Church and State should be seperate on all acounts. If not, then its just another form of predujice. But, for once, I digress :) (and i dont want torog to call me a "youngun who doesn't have enough life experience to deal with the truth,and gits bogged down in liberalisms and polictical correctness" lol)

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Howdy GhostToker,

I agree with y'all,that church and state,should be seperate,acknowledging that our inalienable rights are derived from our Creator-and not Man,is not an establishment of religion...it's an expression of American values and ideals.

Banning all manner of religious expression in the public square-is an extreme,secular prejudice..don't ya think ?

Btw,you may not be a 'youngun'...but have you checked to see lately,whether you are bogged down in pc'ism and liberalism ? LoL

Have a good one...Torog :D

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Originally Posted by Torog

Banning all manner of religious expression in the public square-is an extreme,secular prejudice..don't ya think ?

Btw,you may not be a 'youngun'...but have you checked to see lately,whether you are bogged down in pc'ism and liberalism ? LoL

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lol

Firstly, I do think that people take it too far. Im not religious, and i dont think any religion should be forced upon anyone.. but i think religious people should be allowed to express their religion however they want..

i dont like political correctness either, torog. lol I try not to offend anybodies race, religion, sex, sexual preference, or anything, but i dont think we should be forced to respect eachother either.. if somebody wants to be prejudice, then its their right to do so, as much as i disagree with it.. thats why i dont like all this political correctness crap (and also, the PC Brigade (lol) are trying to get all types of religious jokes banned from TV.. which means most of my favourite TV shows will be banned lol :p)

i dont really know if i can be called liberal.. i believe what i believe, not because those beliefs come under any category.. if my beliefs can be defined as liberal, then so be it, but im not TRYING to be anything except me :)

if you look at secular societies in comparison to religious societies secular societies will consistently have less crime, unemployment, corruption and more freedom, share of wealth and a higher standard of living.
almost EVERY single advancement towards "morality" (ceasing native genocide, freeing the slaves and womenâ??s suffrage) was OPPOSED by the church.

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almost EVERY single advancement towards "morality" was OPPOSED by the church.

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if you look at secular societies in comparison to religious societies secular societies will consistently have less crime, unemployment, corruption and more freedom, share of wealth and a higher standard of living.
almost EVERY single advancement towards "morality" (ceasing native genocide, freeing the slaves and womenâ??s suffrage) was OPPOSED by the church.

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Howdy Euphoric,

Iraq,was a secular society,it had more crime,more unemployment,more corruption and less freedom,less sharing of wealth(socialism) and a lower standard of living,than most any religious society on Earth.

Church policy was dictated by a hand-full of bad people,and was a result of their desire for power and control-it does not represent the teachings of Christ-nor diminishes the Gospel as practiced by most Christians today.

Islam,is the true danger,as it calls for the deaths of all who refuse to convert-or as in the case of Jews,to murder them irregardless. Christianity isn't the enemy-it's Islam.

yea islam is thhe wo..*pukes* oh no my new clothes :(

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Islam,is the true danger,as it calls for the deaths of all who refuse to convert-or as in the case of Jews,to murder them irregardless. Christianity isn't the enemy-it's Islam.

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Christianity has murdered inumerable amounts of people who werent willing to convert, falsely labelling them pagans. One good thing about not being religious, is that neither Christianity, Islam, Judaism, or any religion is my enemy

heres some fun things about islam. islam is definately one of the easiest religons to expose i think its sick...

http://www.truthbeknown.com/islamquotes.htm
http://unicorn.phoenixrising-web.net/shelp/muhammad.htm

i mean look at this freak..

"A man can have sex with animals such as sheeps, cows, camels and so on. However, he should kill the animal after he has his orgasm. He should not sell the meat to the people in his own village; however, selling the meat to the next door village should be fine."

Ayatollah Khomeini
(Quotes above are from Khomeini's book, Tahrirolvasyleh, vol. 4, Darol Elm, Gom, Iran, 1990, Source: Homa)

its all fucking propaganda... propaganda is never unbiased... especially when it comes to religion

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Originally Posted by GHoSToKeR

its all fucking propaganda... propaganda is never unbiased... especially when it comes to religion

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i guess you're right...unless that post was biased anti-propaganda propaganda! :eek:

lol

Christmas is a hijacked festival anyway , nothing to do with christianity and everything to do with the winter solstice.
Didn't know you were a pagan torog.

http://de.essortment.com/christmaspagan_rece.htm

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Christmas is a hijacked festival anyway , nothing to do with christianity and everything to do with the winter solstice.
Didn't know you were a pagan torog.

http://de.essortment.com/christmaspagan_rece.htm

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Also

Easter
The Christian holiday of Easter commemorates the crucifixion of Christ, and his rise from the dead into heaven. Then where do all the symbolism of bunnies, and eggs come from? It's more than coincedence that the early Pagans had a holiday to mark the Spring Equinox, called Ostara, usually celebrated around March 21st. With the return of spring, came the birthing of the farm animals for the year. Which is why we see bunnies, chicks, eggs and little lambs as symbols for this holiday. Part of the Ostara mythology involved the return of various deities from the underworld (symbolic of the end of winter). So it's not surprising that this holiday got enmeshed with the Christian story of the ressurection of Christ.

Hallowe'en
Ok, everyone knows that Hallowe'en is a Pagan holiday, but there are many misconceptions surrounding what the holiday really means. Pagans call the day Samhain (SOW-en or sow-EEN). The old God dies on this day, and the Goddess mourns him until his rebirth at Yule. We use this day to honour and remember our loved ones who have passed on. In an effort to diffuse the interest in this heathen holiday, the Church created All Saint's Day (November 1) as a holy day to recognize all the Catholic saints. But it wasn't a powerful enough idea to wipe out the traditional Hallowe'en celebrattions. Ironically, many Christians do not approve of the celebration of Hallowe'en because of its Pagan origins, not realizing that almost all of the holidays they observe had Pagan beginnings.

Why are major Christian holidays layered on older Pagan festivals? The central reason is that as Christianity was struggling for acceptance in Europe, the country-folk would not give up their age-old traditions. By blending the old with the new, it was easier for the Church to convert the locals.

http://paganwiccan.about.com/library...03holidays.htm

some people jus dont want ure religion forced on them

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I reckon that I could spin my wheels debatin juggalo,but it's really point-less to argue with a youngun who doesn't have enough life experience to deal with the truth,and gits bogged down in liberalisms and polictical correctness.

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So basically what you're saying is "Oh I could debate but instead i'll just call him a bastard kiddie liberal who must not know a damn thing about politics or life even though all I know about him is that he posted comments contradicting my own on a message board and hopefully nobody will realize that I was actually just ignoring his input completely so as not to have to face that perhaps I am wrong because I could say nothing more on the subject."

Is that it?

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Why are major Christian holidays layered on older Pagan festivals? The central reason is that as Christianity was struggling for acceptance in Europe, the country-folk would not give up their age-old traditions. By blending the old with the new, it was easier for the Church to convert the locals.

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Lulu, you're right, but it goes even further than that. There are some who would argue, and successfully I might add, that the entire set of festivals and rituals that are the basis for Christianity are all of pagan origin.

There once was man who was born of a virgin mother, and on his birth day a star appeared in the sky, which led many nobles to him. They presented him with rich gifts and predicted that he would be a great leader. When he was around 12 years old, he went to the local tremple and argued with the elders on key theological points. the rest of his life until he was around 30 is virtually unknown to us. At that point, he went to big cities and gathered a group of 12 disciples and taught them his ways, and told them to spread his message across the world. One night, he even went to the top of a little hill and prayed, and was transfigured in front of all his followers.

Familiar story, isn't it? That's pretty much the life of Buddha, and his religion grew out of Hindusim, just as Christianity grew out of Judaeism. People like Horus and Osiris in Ancient Egypt, Romulus in Ancient Rome, Herakles, Adonis and Orpheus in Ancient Greece, along with Thor, son of Odin, Mithras, Tammuz and scores of others (all the objects of old cults) have all lead an almost identical life. What can we make of that?

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Originally Posted by Lulu

Why are major Christian holidays layered on older Pagan festivals? The central reason is that as Christianity was struggling for acceptance in Europe, the country-folk would not give up their age-old traditions. By blending the old with the new, it was easier for the Church to convert the locals.

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The Christian church, up until recently, had never tried to 'blend old with the new', they just murdered anybody who would not convert; they labelled these religions as pagan and evil; they changed their religion and their beliefs so they could say these religions were evil - Christianity probably has the most blood-filled history than any religion. Try reading up on the history of Christianity, from an unbiased source (I dont mean asking a priest, reading the Bible, or whatever.. go to a library and look through history books) and you'll be surprised - its sickening

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Originally Posted by F L E S H

Lulu, you're right, but it goes even further than that. There are some who would argue, and successfully I might add, that the entire set of festivals and rituals that are the basis for Christianity are all of pagan origin.

There once was man who was born of a virgin mother, and on his birth day a star appeared in the sky, which led many nobles to him. They presented him with rich gifts and predicted that he would be a great leader. When he was around 12 years old, he went to the local tremple and argued with the elders on key theological points. the rest of his life until he was around 30 is virtually unknown to us. At that point, he went to big cities and gathered a group of 12 disciples and taught them his ways, and told them to spread his message across the world. One night, he even went to the top of a little hill and prayed, and was transfigured in front of all his followers.

Familiar story, isn't it? That's pretty much the life of Buddha, and his religion grew out of Hindusim, just as Christianity grew out of Judaeism. People like Horus and Osiris in Ancient Egypt, Romulus in Ancient Rome, Herakles, Adonis and Orpheus in Ancient Greece, along with Thor, son of Odin, Mithras, Tammuz and scores of others (all the objects of old cults) have all lead an almost identical life. What can we make of that?

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It makes a good story. George Lucas used a mythological template when he wrote Star Wars. Stories like these appeal to very primitive impulses in people. Perhaps this is the reason for Star Wars massive popularity?

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I reckon that I could spin my wheels debatin juggalo,but it's really point-less to argue with a youngun who doesn't have enough life experience to deal with the truth,and gits bogged down in liberalisms and polictical correctness.

Have a good one...Torog[/QUOTE]


The Torog answer to everything when he gets beat in a debate, call the person a liberal. Make vague reference to secular humanism. Hope it goes away.
Those idiots in PA were holding up signs that said god hates gays, but the cops were like fine you can hold those signs up, you just cant block the vendors booths, because they paid to have it there. I saw the video, they had lots of chances to back down and stop harrsing gay people. Go to the million man march and hold up a sign saying gods hates blacks, see how long you last.
I dont want religions forced on me, thats what happens in 3rd world nations. I dont want to goto court to pay a ticket, and on top it have to see the commandments, which i find offensive

"Secularists maintain a strict set of beliefs, values and ideals to which they pursue with an unyielding zeal and devotion that nearly parallels that of their Islamo-Fascist comrades;"


Really? I would have thought that he jesusfascists were more like that. Islamofascism is racist term btw. The texas taliban must be stopped. Kind of funny though, the way they pretend to be shocked that we dont want our kids being told evolution is lie or that the world is flat, or that there is long bearded man (not a woman!) in the sky. I cant believe in the 21st century there are people who want fairy tales taught as fact in public schools