If god was real?

I was thinkin about this abit back an think about it now an then...

Ok well im athiest, straight up hate wat religion has done to the world..

but if god WAS real, id be goin to hell.. but wouldnt god understand the fact that its way to hard to believe that stuff, i had no proof of him bein real, so i cant believe it. an theres sooo many diffrent gods.. how do i know which is the right god.. Like if god was real that would be pretty cool shit but, idk

I WOULD JUST NEED SOME EVIDENCE!! You cant send some1 to jail with out evidence right? if theres no evidence means he didnt do it...

Theres no evidence in god.. so hes not real... So shout out to god if ur there Give me some evidence then ill stop sayin f**k god...

Hello.

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Originally Posted by Oil_Man

I was thinkin about this abit back an think about it now an then...

Ok well im athiest, straight up hate wat religion has done to the world..

but if god WAS real, id be goin to hell.. but wouldnt god understand the fact that its way to hard to believe that stuff, i had no proof of him bein real, so i cant believe it. an theres sooo many diffrent gods.. how do i know which is the right god.. Like if god was real that would be pretty cool shit but, idk

I WOULD JUST NEED SOME EVIDENCE!! You cant send some1 to jail with out evidence right? if theres no evidence means he didnt do it...

Theres no evidence in god.. so hes not real... So shout out to god if ur there Give me some evidence then ill stop sayin f**k god...

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when science finally "proves" that nothing can exist without a mind to sustain it, come find me.

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Originally Posted by Stoner Shadow Wolf

when science finally "proves" that nothing can exist without a mind to sustain it, come find me.

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ugh, people are taking What The Bleep way too far.

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Originally Posted by Gandalf_The_Grey

ugh, people are taking What The Bleep way too far.

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yeah, especially people, like me, who have never seen it.



i know it's about quantum physics....


isnt it?



and why is that taking it too far?

especially if it proves true...

why do you care either how far i take an idea or concept?

islamics blow themselves up on our troops because our government is capitalist.

and IM taking this too far?

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Originally Posted by Oil_Man

I was thinkin about this abit back an think about it now an then...

Ok well im athiest, straight up hate wat religion has done to the world..

but if god WAS real, id be goin to hell.. but wouldnt god understand the fact that its way to hard to believe that stuff, i had no proof of him bein real, so i cant believe it. an theres sooo many diffrent gods.. how do i know which is the right god.. Like if god was real that would be pretty cool shit but, idk

I WOULD JUST NEED SOME EVIDENCE!! You cant send some1 to jail with out evidence right? if theres no evidence means he didnt do it...

Theres no evidence in god.. so hes not real... So shout out to god if ur there Give me some evidence then ill stop sayin f**k god...

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If you are real, then God is real too. How did you get here?
If science can't even prove the beginning of man how can it prove the beginning of God?
If you don't see proof, look around. If you still don't see it, that's all you're gonna get.
And if you keep screaming F God, it will be the oil man getting F'd in the end.

I do believe in a god but i dont really fit in with any religion except maybe christianity.But I think the bible is just a bunch of bullshit and all religions are just fucking up the world.Everyone should just never talk about religion.

if philosophy were never organized (religion) would we blame philosophy instead?



i ponder what the world would be like without religion, but a philosophical institution of free thinking... organizing will still occur, but what if it didnt occur to spirituality?

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Originally Posted by Stoner Shadow Wolf

yeah, especially people, like me, who have never seen it.

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Ah, so you've never seen WTBDWK, good for you! I'm not militantly against it or anything, but it's become an annoyance the way so many people think it's the ultimate truth when in fact it barely scratches the surface.

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and why is that taking it too far?

especially if it proves true...

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I wouldn't say it prooves true, but it's a theory. I just don't buy into this view that everything is the result of our perception/mental creation. We discover new planets we'd never seen before, did we just imagine them into existence? What about all the geological evidence that shows billions of years of developement, before anybody was there to percieve it, and therefor form it? Or did you you have something else in mind?

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why do you care either how far i take an idea or concept?

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Why do you care how far you take a concept? Why do any of us? It's just discussion.

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islamics blow themselves up on our troops because our government is capitalist.

and IM taking this too far?

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This is relevant? You can't prove the validity of you own stance by finding one that's worse. Not that I'm saying your stance is wrong, I think a huge amount of your ideas hold much merit, I'm just talking about logical debate.

Enjoy your day.

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Originally Posted by Stoner Shadow Wolf

if philosophy were never organized (religion) would we blame philosophy instead?



i ponder what the world would be like without religion, but a philosophical institution of free thinking... organizing will still occur, but what if it didnt occur to spirituality?

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What if, that is, we didn't take philosophy to dogmatic institutions that declared it ultimate unquestionable truth? That's the kind of world I'd love to live in personally.

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Originally Posted by Gandalf_The_Grey

Ah, so you've never seen WTBDWK, good for you! I'm not militantly against it or anything, but it's become an annoyance the way so many people think it's the ultimate truth when in fact it barely scratches the surface.












I wouldn't say it prooves true, but it's a theory. I just don't buy into this view that everything is the result of our perception/mental creation. We discover new planets we'd never seen before, did we just imagine them into existence? What about all the geological evidence that shows billions of years of developement, before anybody was there to percieve it, and therefor form it? Or did you you have something else in mind?




Why do you care how far you take a concept? Why do any of us? It's just discussion.



This is relevant? You can't prove the validity of you own stance by finding one that's worse. Not that I'm saying your stance is wrong, I think a huge amount of your ideas hold much merit, I'm just talking about logical debate.

Enjoy your day.

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OUR mind doesnt create reality objectively! objectively, reality IS a mind.

our individual minds create our subjective reality, our perceptions.


THE mind, not our individual perceptions, is the source.


alright, so i said IF it proves true. if it doesnt then i am just fantasizing, but if it does, it means i have already reached that said conclusion, proof pending.
nothing is the result of our perceptions, except the way we perceive them.i did, in fact, have something else in mind.

the mind of a rock.

a rock has a mind, but no brain. more acutely, the body of a rock has a mind, then the rock itself has a mind.



ok let's try something more easily conceivable: humans have minds.

the human body also has a mind, the autonomous physics of our bodies are not mindless, they are intelligent interactions between cells and molecules and atoms and protons.

interactions cannot exist without at LEAST an autonomous mind to govern them.


the body is governed by an autonomous mind, but organic bodies are gifted a personal mind, a mind with which to guide the autonomy of the body, to make choices.


the mind of a rock is limited to observation, they cannot move their bodies, for their bodies are not designed for movement, they can only observe the world around them through whatever senses a rock might have.

the benefit is they have nothing to distract their minds and can focus on psychic influences, the loss is that they gain little to no respect from other bodies, and are ignored as a form of life.



the whole point is all that exists is life, has life, and is alive mentally and physically.

inanimate life is still life.

the very interactions between atoms requires mind, and mind is akin to life.




i dont care how far i take an idea or anyone else for that matter until it becomes destructive to other people.


leading to the Islamic comparisons, the relevance of that statement is a question implied:
what is too far, and why or how was i taking something (which i had no reference of mind you) too far?

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Originally Posted by Inferius

Hello.

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lol hey

Think about it, if you only believe what you can see..all you have seen is ego, the ego of others, which has given you all your perceptions of this reality. So..maybe if the masses were displaying the power of God you would not believe in ego?

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Originally Posted by Gandalf_The_Grey

I just don't buy into this view that everything is the result of our perception/mental creation. We discover new planets we'd never seen before, did we just imagine them into existence? What about all the geological evidence that shows billions of years of developement, before anybody was there to percieve it, and therefor form it? Or did you you have something else in mind?

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I do... we humans have not any direct contact with the "outside world". Our contacts with it are mediated by our perception, our senses. Our minds feel, for example, certain electric impulses, and interpret them as being an image, or a sound, or whatever. And we cannot escape from this. All our thoughts, all our perceptions, are just electric impulses into our brains. Nothing can guarantee that this perceptions really are from an outside world. The Matrix is the best example of what i mean. All this "geological evidence" is also only perceptions, as (un)real as what we call "reality", or "outside world", so it cant be used to justify the existence of this same "outside world".
Thats why its said that our minds create the reality. Because the only reality we can percieve is the reality that exist into our minds. This "inner" reality can be based upon the "outside" reality (or at least its what we like to believe), but even if is so, the "inner" reality still is a product of the mind over the "outside" reality, being therefore a mind's creation.

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Originally Posted by PureEvil760

Think about it, if you only believe what you can see..all you have seen is ego, the ego of others, which has given you all your perceptions of this reality. So..maybe if the masses were displaying the power of God you would not believe in ego?

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Indeed... since birth we are immersed in a world ruled by the ego, so we learn to only percieve the world in terms of the ego, of the self-reflexion. And this is a so deeply-rooted way of percieving, that is very hard to free itself from it.

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If you are real, then God is real too. How did you get here?

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well you see a sperm meets an egg.. and it creates a zygote, and eventually that becomes an embreyo, and eventually it becomes a person. that's how you got here....

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Originally Posted by slipknotpsycho

well you see a sperm meets an egg.. and it creates a zygote, and eventually that becomes an embreyo, and eventually it becomes a person. that's how you got here....

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You need to back up a little bit. Don't you need a person to produce the sperm? What came first, the person or the sperm? :stoned:

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Originally Posted by Pass That Shit

You need to back up a little bit. Don't you need a person to produce the sperm? What came first, the person or the sperm? :stoned:

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where did the first sperm come from?

where did the first person come from?

I see folks say here that they don't believe in God, or 'hate' God, or Jesus, or religion in general, and that certainly is their right. But I wonder whose God or what religion they are talking about, because what they are really angry at is what men have done in God's name and how they use religion to divide mankind rather than unite them.

There are those of all faiths (and none), who speak and act as if they alone have Truth. Bombasts and fanatics from all sides shout at those of us in the middle trying to make some sense of it all, as each wo/man must eventually do for themselves.

Holiness, or spirituality, is in right action. Any man who cherishes peace, brotherhood, and charity is my friend, no matter his beliefs.

n_n the point being where did everything evolve from?

the big bang?


and that was triggered by something, of course? or it's a cycle...? and is this a finite cycle? what started the cycle? what happens when the cycle ends? does it end? etc.?

Well for people to say the big bang theory is stupid.. compared to the people sayin god created it all.. its not stupid at all.. like if god started all this.. who created god?

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Originally Posted by MajMike

I see folks say here that they don't believe in God, or 'hate' God, or Jesus, or religion in general, and that certainly is their right. But I wonder whose God or what religion they are talking about, because what they are really angry at is what men have done in God's name and how they use religion to divide mankind rather than unite them.

There are those of all faiths (and none), who speak and act as if they alone have Truth. Bombasts and fanatics from all sides shout at those of us in the middle trying to make some sense of it all, as each wo/man must eventually do for themselves.

Holiness, or spirituality, is in right action. Any man who cherishes peace, brotherhood, and charity is my friend, no matter his beliefs.

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first, i don't base anything off man... every, EVERY religion claims to have a loving wise god...

my thoughts come directly FROM the thought of a loving god.... how could any loving god let such travest and tragedy happen day in and day out? .... it's really a question no believer ever cares to answer.... instead they push it off with something else... as an example "it's god's will" or "god's plan"...

which of course only furthers in my mind you have no idea what the hell your worshiping and are only doing so out of many many many many many generations of 'habbit'

i'd love for any religious person to explain it to me, but simply, it CANNOT be done... the only two explinations are A. there is a god, but he doesn't give as much of as everyone makes it out to be, or B. there is no god... and human's just NEED something to explain why they're here instead of just a chance occurance...

it's as simple as that... i can't prove anything... but i do believe my cases for 'no god' are a hell of alot stronger then any believers case for 'there is a god' are, have ever been, or ever will be... which is where i derive my faith from...

do i believe in a 'high power'? yeah... do i believe in any god that any religion has explained? not really... the closest thing to describe my beleif is a cosmic force of right and wrong, and equalization...

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Originally Posted by Pass That Shit

If you are real, then God is real too. How did you get here?
If science can't even prove the beginning of man how can it prove the beginning of God?
If you don't see proof, look around. If you still don't see it, that's all you're gonna get.
And if you keep screaming F God, it will be the oil man getting F'd in the end.

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If you are real, then the Tooth Fairy is real too. How did you get here ?
If science can't even prove the beginning of man, how can it prove the beginning of the Tooth Fairy ?
If you don't see proof, look around. If you still don't see it, that's all you're gonna get.
And if you keep screaming FUCK the Tooth Fairy, it will be you getting FUCKED in the end.

I understand your position, and I agree there is no way to prove the existence of a God to you or anyone else.

The human perception of 'God' is subject to the same limitations we are, so whenever one speaks of 'God' they are talking about something so beyond their comprehension as to be ridiculous. And what understanding we do have is so diluted and corrupted by man as to be almost useless, and we must get it from a variety of middlemen of all stripes.

I believe in God, but accept that I will never in this lifetime completely understand Him. I am a Christian, but I believe in the Jesus from the Sermon on the Mount, the loving and merciful Healer, not the one who will send to hell all who do not accept Him here on this Earth.

Those who worship from habit, and cannot even express their beliefs are the false ones, and they have soured me towards organized religion all my life. They don't even know what they really believe, but are more than willing to tell me what to believe. I understand your disgust, and share it too.

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Originally Posted by darth stoner

If you are real, then the Tooth Fairy is real too. How did you get here ?
If science can't even prove the beginning of man, how can it prove the beginning of the Tooth Fairy ?
If you don't see proof, look around. If you still don't see it, that's all you're gonna get.
And if you keep screaming FUCK the Tooth Fairy, it will be you getting FUCKED in the end.

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lmfao... despite our 'diffrences' dude you crack me up...

This shit has been beaten to death..

We dont know if there is or is not a god..

just LIVE and then find out once you die..

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Originally Posted by MajMike

I understand your position, and I agree there is no way to prove the existence of a God to you or anyone else.

The human perception of 'God' is subject to the same limitations we are, so whenever one speaks of 'God' they are talking about something so beyond their comprehension as to be ridiculous. And what understanding we do have is so diluted and corrupted by man as to be almost useless, and we must get it from a variety of middlemen of all stripes.

I believe in God, but accept that I will never in this lifetime completely understand Him. I am a Christian, but I believe in the Jesus from the Sermon on the Mount, the loving and merciful Healer, not the one who will send to hell all who do not accept Him here on this Earth.

Those who worship from habit, and cannot even express their beliefs are the false ones, and they have soured me towards organized religion all my life. They don't even know what they really believe, but are more than willing to tell me what to believe. I understand your disgust, and share it too.

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not cuz you 'agree' with me, but i can respect you... i respect anyoen like you... imo, to believe in a god as christianity (or any modern religion) has described, is just kinda ignorant... there's just way too many inconsistancies...

if you were to label me it would have to be athiest... but even the slightest diffrence in anything could of mean there would of never been earth, much less life.... and how we got here here in the first place...

maybe it's the human need to explain the unexplainable... i don't believe in 'god' but i do believe there i somthing out there, far higher and more complicated then the human mind could even begin to grasp... it honestly just doesn't make sense to think otherwise...

but i accept i'll never be able to explain it, i accept humankind will probably never even advance enough to begin to comprehend it, and i accept even thousands worth of the research could never really explain any of it...

i do what is right, and i let morals guide me, not a book written by man, and not living in fear of a magical man in the sky (as christianity has taught for thousands of years... you know, B.C./A.D. was only a refrence of time, i see alot of atheists talking about how jesus created christianity... when in reality it'd been around much longer before him..

but that's also how you can tell those who've read the bible (actually gave it all a chance) and those who have never bothered... i mean even in the begining it talks about people living 5-700+ years... alhtough not direct, that adds nearly another milenia alone... so it's been around for awhile...

anyways... i even admit i COULD be wrong, there COULD be a god up there just as all is explained, i just don't think it's likely, and i'm ready to face the consequences for eternal damnation..

i think alot of atheists do too... like i said, if god were real, it would be far beyond our comprehension level... so there's no way we could even know what would happen...

i honestly believe hell is to keep people in check (and tha'ts why it was brought up) and heaven is to help greiving families... maybe our said 'creator' doesn't even care either way, maybe it doesn't even have power over anything other then starting it all...

again, this is some ultimate being.. if it were to be true as detailed and explained, we'd be far off from even being able to contemplate it.. shit, there are things humans can do that even take computers years to calculate.. and computers are supperior when it comes to calculations... (hardware folding for instance, google it)

how does anyone think we'd have the brain power to even begin to contemplate it? and that's what's always turned me off it.. people talking like they know, when they couldn't even begin to posssibly GUESS...

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Originally Posted by darth stoner

If you are real, then the Tooth Fairy is real too. How did you get here ?
If science can't even prove the beginning of man, how can it prove the beginning of the Tooth Fairy ?
If you don't see proof, look around. If you still don't see it, that's all you're gonna get.
And if you keep screaming FUCK the Tooth Fairy, it will be you getting FUCKED in the end.

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LOL!!!

FUCK the tooth fairy, and I hope she FUCKS me back in the end!!!:D

From memory so far, you believe in Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy. Is that your version of the trinity? :D

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Originally Posted by geonagual

This shit has been beaten to death..

We dont know if there is or is not a god..

just LIVE and then find out once you die..

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but we no theres no god........

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Originally Posted by Pass That Shit

LOL!!!

FUCK the tooth fairy, and I hope she FUCKS me back in the end!!!:D

From memory so far, you believe in Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy. Is that your version of the trinity? :D

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shit, you found out :(

Will you think from now on I'm insane for believing in santa, the bunny and the fairy ?

Now you know how I feel about religious people!

I'll get back to praying to the Holy Bunny now :rastasmoke:

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Originally Posted by Oil_Man

but we no theres no god........

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You dont know anything...at least for sure

. . that . .

fairies wear boots, and you gotta believe me.


Yes, I am high right now, long live Ozzy!

i personally think that i know god isnt real, i know some guy randomly made him up to rule his people.. but this was over 2000 years ago i thought we would have relized by now he was just jokin around.. an im sure he had a good laugh about it

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Originally Posted by Oil_Man

but we no theres no god........

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Reasearched that one well..well one thing I do know, is theres a K and a W in that word.

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Originally Posted by reaper666

The reason I don't is because I believe evolution can explain the origins of life and doesn't need a God.

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Well... then, what explains the evolution?

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Originally Posted by darth stoner

If you are real, then the Tooth Fairy is real too. How did you get here ?
If science can't even prove the beginning of man, how can it prove the beginning of the Tooth Fairy ?
If you don't see proof, look around. If you still don't see it, that's all you're gonna get.
And if you keep screaming FUCK the Tooth Fairy, it will be you getting FUCKED in the end.

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the tooth fairy????????????????????????? lol

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Originally Posted by Justum17

If there was no God, then where did the energy come from to even have a "big bang,"

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We have no idea. We have not even observed the entire universe yet. To say a entity looking out for us who exhibits human emotions did it has no logical basis.

The Bible was written by man, and now there are several 'versions' out these, KJV, NAS, etc. Which is these is correct, excuse me, most correct?

Evangelicals and some other Christians believe in the doctrine of Sola Scriptura (by the Scriptures alone), and that the Bible and ONLY the Bible can be considered the inspired Word of God (their version of course).

In Prima Scriptura (primarily by Scripture), other writings by Church authorities, the Saints, etc, and personal revelation are also valid sources of Truth.

I think the Scriptures are important, but it is the individual's relationship with God that matters, and I say whatever means gets you closer to what He would have you be is good and true. That could even be a conversation here that could inspire someone, you never know.

"Everything we do, everything we are, rests on our personal power. If we have enough of it, one word uttered to us might be sufficient to change the course of our lives. But if we don't have enough personal power, the most magnificent piece of wisdom can be revealed to us and that revelation won't make a damn bit of difference." Don Juan Matus - Tales of Power

I stole that from another member here or at icmag.com, but I like it and is suits this discussion nicely.