why do people like to be treated like shit?

myself included sometimes

have you noticed that when you are with someone
and you treat them good they treat you bad.

its fucked up but thats the way it is ,i guess

the woman who i do truly have strong feelings for
is a bitch.she gets me more angry than anyone else can
i literaly fantasize about choking her to death and at the same time
she can make me feel better tahn anyone can
im treat her good.other ladies notice and comment on how
they wish their man would do what i do
but my bitch plays headgames cause they work

when im hooking up with someone who i only want sex from
i am the asshole and they love me to death
girls tellme "i love you"
and i respond fuck love that shit gets people nowhere
i do what i want without consideration and it works
they treat me better than the girls im nice too

why is this

It all stems from childhood experiences :thumbsup:

We're goal-oriented. If something is easy to get, then we don't want it anymore. If something is hard to get, it makes us want it more. If someone is treating you shitty, you'll try as hard as you can to make them like you.

As much as I hate to admit it, it helps to be kind of a jerk to your girlfriend sometimes, at least at first, if you actually like her. Girls will try and control you, and if they're too successful, they'll lose respect for you. It's part of the default female head-game programming. :-\

Well, I've always been on your end..the giving end. And I've decided to change it around for once. In the many, many, many years I've been dating I'M the one treating him like shit. I have to say, I'm spiteful and bitter and those are my reasons. Plus, guys seem to give more love when you give less.

Games, Game, Games.

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Originally Posted by friendowl

myself included sometimes

have you noticed that when you are with someone
and you treat them good they treat you bad.

its fucked up but thats the way it is ,i guess

the woman who i do truly have strong feelings for
is a bitch.she gets me more angry than anyone else can
i literaly fantasize about choking her to death and at the same time
she can make me feel better tahn anyone can
im treat her good.other ladies notice and comment on how
they wish their man would do what i do
but my bitch plays headgames cause they work

when im hooking up with someone who i only want sex from
i am the asshole and they love me to death
girls tellme "i love you"
and i respond fuck love that shit gets people nowhere
i do what i want without consideration and it works
they treat me better than the girls im nice too

why is this

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WoW are we dating the same chick lol

i feel you pain. what you wrote almost word for word is what i feel sometimes. my Chick is a Bitch also and i know i am not just saying it because other people notice and say the same thing bout her. :(

Why do some chicks like to stand people up? I mean have a little courtesy and say "I'm not interested." I mean shit. Some chick did that to me, and I went off on her for her lack of courtesy. Thank god she stood me up, because I didn't realize what a stupid, cold-hearted bitch she was. I mean courtesy, a simple concept to grasp?

I know, its just the way things are its fucked up!

They get away with it in America because we spoil them. Although the French are messed up in a lot of other ways, they don't tolerate this kind of shit from females. They train them in the correct behavior toward the opposite sex, when they're young. We've got a nation of pussy-whipped yes-men. I dropped the ones that were ballbusters.

How about YOU?

Whoa there, buddy. Women are NOT to be trained. Do we look like ANIMALS to you?

Just because you have a dick doesn't mean you're in charged. You can bitch about your chick, but don't attempt to put down ALL women, just because we aren't "trained" to your liking.

Honey, it's not just American's that are pussy whipped. I hate to break it to you but women will always have the upper hand, you all think with your dicks way too much. You did it to yourselves.

Its probably the "you want them because you can't have them" kind of thing. I think I'm like that too, something really turns me on about wanting something that I can't have. =)

How much time have you spent in France, Bruekelen? Because I'm betting it's not a single day. Not even a moment. If you'd had exposure to their culture or others, you'd know that people of both genders tolerate crap from members of the opposite sex all over the world. It has to do with what some folks'll put up with--and whether they want a relationship that's about the extremes of love-hate chaos or one that's about respect and affection.

"Train them in the correct behavior toward the opposite sex"? Many of us here--male and female included--have long believed you're the one who needs to be trained in correct behavior toward both genders, frankly. I have not yet seen evidence that you respect anyone other than yourself, not males or females. And judging from the numerous behind-the-scenes comments that come in via emails, rep comments and PMs in response to your posts (this one ought to bring in a deluge), I would bet serious money that a whole lot more women actually dropped you.

HAHA you tell him.

There a few things I wont put up with, actually there are a lot of things I won't put up with and one of them is a conniving, manipulative woman who jeopardizes my pride and love with childish games.

I am not saying I am too proud to foil under a woman's superior scheme of love, respect, and passion. I would gladly play to her game if it meant our love would prosper because of it.

Aren't you still a teenager, Ganj? I was reading your other thread where you announced that you wanted life (along with cigarettes and joints) given to you for free and didn't really want to work or take any initiative to get what you want. You blamed your frustration and lack of motivation on a hurtful world.

It just made me think, after reading that other thread, that you probably don't have to worry about falling under the spell of any woman, manipulative or otherwise, at least not until that give-me-something-for-nothing attitude passes. For your sake, I hope it does!

Wow........"training"....."i literaly fantasize about choking her to death and at the same time". Glad to see you dudes have found that special someone. LOL

For you younger viewers.......this is NOT reality! If your dealing with someone that needs total control, or that you feel like killing it's time to move on down the road. When ya find someone that wants to give into the relationship as much as you ya got it made........AND HAPPY!

I guess some people are just magnets for bad relationships.....and they wonder why the divorce rates are so high.

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

Im really sorry to hear about that bro. And i hope you attend to your choking fantasy. Dude that's not cool. Anyway's good luck with everything.:thumbsup:

I am sure it probably stems from some childhood BS. People like games..and their favorite is cat and mouse...only really want something that you have to work for. The easy stuff..is just...well...easy.

It stems from alot of things, namely self-confidence and upbringing, but I think one of the main reasons is this:

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Originally Posted by khronik

We're goal-oriented. If something is easy to get, then we don't want it anymore. If something is hard to get, it makes us want it more. If someone is treating you shitty, you'll try as hard as you can to make them like you.

As much as I hate to admit it, it helps to be kind of a jerk to your girlfriend sometimes, at least at first, if you actually like her. Girls will try and control you, and if they're too successful, they'll lose respect for you. It's part of the default female head-game programming. :-\

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I cant wait until our species has evolved past this. Well... the REST of our species.

Sex games > mind games

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I cant wait until our species has evolved past this. Well... the REST of our species.

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You can jump start it by seeking out women that don't play mind games, and then impregnating them all. Or just one, many times. ;)

If you don't want a woman to lose respect for you, you don't necessarily have to be a jerk. Just show her that she doesn't have you wrapped around her finger. Even silly stuff can do it. I kind of enjoy messing around with my girlfriend now and then. Stuff like stealing her cookies when she's not looking and baking. :)

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Originally Posted by friendowl

myself included sometimes

have you noticed that when you are with someone
and you treat them good they treat you bad.

its fucked up but thats the way it is ,i guess

the woman who i do truly have strong feelings for
is a bitch.she gets me more angry than anyone else can
i literaly fantasize about choking her to death and at the same time
she can make me feel better tahn anyone can
im treat her good.other ladies notice and comment on how
they wish their man would do what i do
but my bitch plays headgames cause they work

when im hooking up with someone who i only want sex from
i am the asshole and they love me to death
girls tellme "i love you"
and i respond fuck love that shit gets people nowhere
i do what i want without consideration and it works
they treat me better than the girls im nice too

why is this

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Women don't want a pussy, if you act like a pussy they will walk all over you, if you are a dick most will love you to death. This is essentially what Leykis 101 is based on. I can't answer why it is this way, it just is.

Don't ever take crap from anyone, girlfriend or not. The minute anybody pisses you off or walks on you in any way, end it right there. What you should be asking yourself is why you are allowing some girl to walk all over you, you obviously don't really care about her if you are fantasizing about strangling her, that's borderline insane buddy, so stop pretending you care about her when really you just don't understand love itself. The simple solution to your problem is what I said, Don't take crap from anyone. If you live by that rule it won't happen, but if you make excuses because she is your girlfriend, then you are fooling yourself and you are to blame, not her.

I never deal with games or any of that shit, the minute a girl starts giving me problems or tries to play some game I avoid her. That fixes the problem right away. So in the words of Leykis himself, dump that bitch ;)

what do you think nailhead
that im some stupid ass sucker for love
hell no homie

real love only comes from your children and sometimes your parents
anything else is jsut sex and games

let me ask you this
do you got any kids
have you grown up without both parents

the only reason i put up with my bitch's attitude is for my daughter
my bitch will keep my baby girl away if i leave
she knows itll hurt my lil girl and she'll do it anyways
one day i know i wont be in this situation anymore
but i aint dumb.i aint going to mess up the wonderful relationship
i have and possibly fuck up my lil girls future cause daddy wasnt around

tom likus is cool and he got game
but he aint on my level
all he got to worry about his himself and his dick

i got kids who look up to me for guidance
if i were to leave id be a weak fool

I have no idea why girls like to be treated like shit, but this is why the only guys who get laid are the dickheads who don't deserve to ever get laid in their lives. This is the single greatest universal injustice out there. Well, that and laws against toking.

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Originally Posted by Nailhead

Women don't want a pussy, if you act like a pussy they will walk all over you, if you are a dick most will love you to death. This is essentially what Leykis 101 is based on. I can't answer why it is this way, it just is.

Don't ever take crap from anyone, girlfriend or not. The minute anybody pisses you off or walks on you in any way, end it right there. What you should be asking yourself is why you are allowing some girl to walk all over you, you obviously don't really care about her if you are fantasizing about strangling her, that's borderline insane buddy, so stop pretending you care about her when really you just don't understand love itself. The simple solution to your problem is what I said, Don't take crap from anyone. If you live by that rule it won't happen, but if you make excuses because she is your girlfriend, then you are fooling yourself and you are to blame, not her.

I never deal with games or any of that shit, the minute a girl starts giving me problems or tries to play some game I avoid her. That fixes the problem right away. So in the words of Leykis himself, dump that bitch ;)

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Nailhead, you hit the nail right on the head. :thumbsup:

Great thread BTW...I just got home and I am tired as fuck..but I want to comment..

I get what your saying Owl..kids need their fathers..period..and if she is like that, you gotta have some kind of plan in action..I know I would..never let anyone outsmart you..always think and plan ahead in everything..and gain as many outs as possible..cause I would hate that shit hanging over my head..

To Nailhead and BA.....you gotta be fuckin kidding me..
you think Tom Lykus is some kind of a fucking genius
that is some 50 year old fatass guy living
i hollywood..he has been married 4 times..he dont know shit..he is just going to die a lonely man emotionally..if you just wanna fuck chicks and move on, playing them the whole time..what do you get..sex and that is about it..
I have listened to him too many times sitting in rush hour in LA..
BA your married..Tom would tell you your a dumbass for being married..thats 1
2nd..he would say your woman is after your cash and probably tell you your pussy whipped..
and 3rd) he say why are you strapped down with one chick when you could be shagging numerous ones..
4) he would call you a loser..

(That is Tom Lykus) not me^

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Originally Posted by geonagual

Great thread BTW...I just got home and I am tired as fuck..but I want to comment..
I get what your saying Owl..kids need their fathers..period..and if she is like that, you gotta have some kind of plan in action..I know I would..never let anyone outsmart you..always think and plan ahead in everything..and gain as many outs as possible..cause I would hate that shit hanging over my head..
To Nailhead and BA.....you gotta be fuckin kidding me..
you think Tom Lykus is some kind of a fucking genius
that is some 50 year old fatass guy living
i hollywood..he has been married 4 times..he dont know shit..he is just going to die a lonely man emotionally..if you just wanna fuck chicks and move on, playing them the whole time..what do you get..sex and that is about it..
I have listened to him too many times sitting in rush hour in LA..
BA your married..Tom would tell you your a dumbass for being married..thats 1
2nd..he would say your woman is after your cash and probably tell you your pussy whipped..
and 3rd) he say why are you strapped down with one chick when you could be shagging numerous ones..
4) he would call you a loser..

(That is Tom Lykus) not me^

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I am not familiar with Tom Lykus at all. I was only responding to what Nailhead wrote in his own words.

We repeat our traumas.

You guys who think women only love guys who're dicks or who behave like dickheads must be going for some real loser-gals. Ladies who value and respect themselves will go for guys who treat them well, men who respect and value themselves, too, and won't be walked on by their ladies, either. Admittedly, there are a lot of women who don't have any respect for themselves and consequently almost magnetically attract that worst losers in the room. They do indeed go for the dickheads. But find a healhty, well-adjusted woman with confidence in herself, and she'll always go for a guy who treats her with respect and who has respect for himself in return.

Thank God most of y'all who believe in the dickhead-attraction factor don't have daughters. For those of you who think this way who have wives or girlfriends? Those ladies have my sincere condolences.

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Originally Posted by birdgirl73

You guys who think women only love guys who're dicks or who behave like dickheads must be going for some real loser-gals. Ladies who value and respect themselves will go for guys who treat them well, men who respect and value themselves, too, and won't be walked on by their ladies, either. Admittedly, there are a lot of women who don't have any respect for themselves and consequently almost magnetically attract that worst losers in the room. They do indeed go for the dickheads. But find a healhty, well-adjusted woman with confidence in herself, and she'll always go for a guy who treats her with respect and who has respect for himself in return.

Thank God most of y'all who believe in the dickhead-attraction factor don't have daughters. For those of you who think this way who have wives or girlfriends? Those ladies have my sincere condolences.

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I can almost feel the shit storm falling down on me already but I have to say I disagree with you birdgirl. I think "Well adjusted" is code for refined. In a "well adjusted" relationship I don't get drunk, kick in the door and start calling her a whore, etc. Instead it is the little, refined fights. Even as simple as "Your not wearing that are you?".

I think it is in men's genetic makeup to procreate with many women and we therefore feel some resentment against the institution of monogomy and we tend to take out our frustrations on our women.
Women are not without fault though. I think women need, at thier core, to feel they are in a secure relationship with a strong (Emotionaly, mentaly, physicaly) man and they tend to test it by being bithes sometimes. Weather it is the loud mouthed putdown in the supermarket or a refined "dig" durring a candle light dinner.
Human nature is human nature. We can bemoan it and we can try to change it but we ignore it at our own perril.

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There is the question of women who go for guys of questionable ethics, and principles. The guy can be a "dick" to everybody else, as long as he treats her nice. This type of thing is more common than the abusive husband problem, and frequently the "Type A" and other aggressive types of guys breed more, sometimes with a number of willing partners throughout their lives. They could be welfare cheats or corrupt CEOâ??s, depending on where they come from. This is not the same thing as being "strong".

I'd like to attempt to convey to the younger guys here not to cave-in and adapt to becoming the type of man that is the popular â??standardâ?� of positive feminine opinion. You have to be yourself. If they donâ??t accept this, then move on. Itâ??s going to be lonely and rough sometimes, but it beats the hell out of what a lot of guys become when theyâ??re stuck in the wrong relationship, or shacked up with someone thatâ??s impossible to get along with. Being alone is better. Eventually, if you play your cards right, you'll hook up with a good person.

BabyfacedAbortion has the answer... Guys give more love when women give less, and it works the same vice versa. But whenever a relationship is caught up in those kind of headgames... it's not a very healthy relationship at all.

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Originally Posted by Breukelen advocaat

They get away with it in America because we spoil them. Although the French are messed up in a lot of other ways, they don't tolerate this kind of shit from females. They train them in the correct behavior toward the opposite sex, when they're young. We've got a nation of pussy-whipped yes-men. I dropped the ones that were ballbusters.

How about YOU?

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Hahahahahahaha! Best post i've read all day, man. :thumbsup: Also, Friedrich Nietzsche is a genius.

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Originally Posted by slowlickitysplit

I can almost feel the shit storm falling down on me already but I have to say I disagree with you birdgirl. I think "Well adjusted" is code for refined. In a "well adjusted" relationship I don't get drunk, kick in the door and start calling her a whore, etc. Instead it is the little, refined fights. Even as simple as "Your not wearing that are you?".

I think it is in men's genetic makeup to procreate with many women and we therefore feel some resentment against the institution of monogomy and we tend to take out our frustrations on our women.
Women are not without fault though. I think women need, at thier core, to feel they are in a secure relationship with a strong (Emotionaly, mentaly, physicaly) man and they tend to test it by being bithes sometimes. Weather it is the loud mouthed putdown in the supermarket or a refined "dig" durring a candle light dinner.
Human nature is human nature. We can bemoan it and we can try to change it but we ignore it at our own perril.

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I think you must be reading through a filter from your own experiences, Slow. Which is fine. But by well-adjusted, I simply mean emotionally healthy, balanced, and with self-esteem enough to be attracted to someone who'll treat her decently. Refinement and/or civility is something else entirely.

I agree that women like to feel they're in a secure relationship with a strong man. But I believe that women who like themselves and truly like and respect their partners don't make little underhanded, passive-aggressive "digs," even under a "refined" guise. I know such behavior can occur because I've seen it myself. We have some friends, Jim and Joyce, who have a negative way of interacting. He openly puts her down at home (and often other places, too), and so she takes every opportunity to make not-so-hidden digs when they're in social situations with groups of friends. They're not direct enough with each other about whatever's bothering them to be able to work it out between the two of themselves in private, yet they're constantly angry at each other. And so that underhanded, dysfunctional dance goes on. Emotionally healthy, or well-adjusted, couples don't feel the need to behave either openly or passively aggressive with one another. The more I see of the marriages around me, the more I realize that the healthy ones are the exceptions. I thank goodness for my parents and my husband's parents, whom I think both had healthy, balanced relationships. We were lucky to have had that modeled for us.

I agree, by the way, that men are genetically and evolutionarily designed to want to procreate with more than one partner. Monogamy is not a natural state for guys, despite the fact that it's what's expected as the social norm. Although women are genetically/evolutionarily more suited for monogamy because it serves our child-rearing and security purposes better, I maintain that it's not an easy thing for us, either. Difficult or not, that doesn't mean I intend to cheat on my husband nor for him to cheat on me, either. But I do agree that that monogamy is challenging.

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I think you must be reading through a filter from your own experiences, Slow. Which is fine. But by well-adjusted, I simply mean emotionally healthy, balanced, and with self-esteem enough to be attracted to someone who'll treat her decently. Refinement and/or civility is something else entirely.

I agree that women like to feel they're in a secure relationship with a strong man. But I believe that women who like themselves and truly like and respect their partners don't make little underhanded, passive-aggressive "digs," even under a "refined" guise. I know such behavior can occur because I've seen it myself. We have some friends, Jim and Joyce, who have a negative way of interacting. He openly puts her down at home (and often other places, too), and so she takes every opportunity to make not-so-hidden digs when they're in social situations with groups of friends. They're not direct enough with each other about whatever's bothering them to be able to work it out between the two of themselves in private, yet they're constantly angry at each other. And so that underhanded, dysfunctional dance goes on. Emotionally healthy, or well-adjusted, couples don't feel the need to behave either openly or passively aggressive with one another. The more I see of the marriages around me, the more I realize that the healthy ones are the exceptions. I thank goodness for my parents and my husband's parents, whom I think both had healthy, balanced relationships. We were lucky to have had that modeled for us.

I agree, by the way, that men are genetically and evolutionarily designed to want to procreate with more than one partner. Monogamy is not a natural state for guys, despite the fact that it's what's expected as the social norm. Although women are genetically/evolutionarily more suited for monogamy because it serves our child-rearing and security purposes better, I maintain that it's not an easy thing for us, either. Difficult or not, that doesn't mean I intend to cheat on my husband nor for him to cheat on me, either. But I do agree that that monogamy is challenging.

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You may be right birdgirl, I may never have seen a healthy relationship as you describe it. I actually doubt it exists. Someone has to lead or you go nowhere. Most of what is in this thread regards controll issues. I think we should agree to disagree on this one as I suspect it is like the argument, can guys and girls be just friends. As you say, we are all shaped by our experiences.

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I said it before and I'll probably have to say it again...
You get what you settle for.
Respect yourself and you'll be charismatic.

Healthy relationships exist. But they're rare as hen's teeth. Doesn't sound like y'all disagreed at all above, Slowlickity, despite what you said in your most recent post.

What's this about men and women not being able to be friends? You aren't friends with women you work with and know socially? That's a shame. It can be done and happens all the time in my crowd. I have women colleagues that I consider some of my most trusted personal friends, and they're both single and married. I even have a couple of women golfing buddies.

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Healthy relationships exist. But they're rare as hen's teeth. Doesn't sound like y'all disagreed at all above, Slowlickity, despite what you said in your most recent post.

What's this about men and women not being able to be friends? You aren't friends with women you work with and know socially? That's a shame. It can be done and happens all the time in my crowd. I have women colleagues that I consider some of my most trusted personal friends, and they're both single and married. I even have a couple of women golfing buddies.

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Dave, I'll get back to the men/women friends thing as soon as I finish deciding the chicken vs. egg question.

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