Both sides of US gun debate back new law

THE US House of Representatives has passed the first significant change to gun laws in a decade, directing states to streamline the system for keeping track of criminals, mental patients and others barred from buying firearms.

The proposed change also provides $US250 million ($296 million) a year for the central database and grants to states to contribute to it.

The bill, which the House passed on Wednesday and which is expected to pass the Senate, was the product of rare co-operation between gun-control advocates and the National Rifle Association. It is aimed at tackling the problems highlighted by the mass shooting at Virginia Tech in April by a student with a history of mental health problems.

Carolyn McCarthy, a Democratic sponsor of the bill, said the state records system was so flawed "millions of criminal records are not accessible" by the national database that is supposed to notify gun dealers of disqualified buyers.
Both sides of US gun debate back new law - World - smh.com.au

With recent event I could see this coming..........

Have a good one!:s4:

More laws = more lawyers, not necessarily a good thing. Just another step in finalizing the police state. If a criminal or a nutcase wants to get a gun, they're available on the street. This law may stop 1 or 2 shootings but will make the feds a little closer to having complete control over the citizenry. If you ever have been busted with a joint or two, in you go you criminal you. no more chance for you to get a legal gun. I'm glad I've got mine, I might get a ticket and in I go, LOL, national registry.

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More laws = more lawyers, not necessarily a good thing. Just another step in finalizing the police state. If a criminal or a nutcase wants to get a gun, they're available on the street. This law may stop 1 or 2 shootings but will make the feds a little closer to having complete control over the citizenry. If you ever have been busted with a joint or two, in you go you criminal you. no more chance for you to get a legal gun. I'm glad I've got mine, I might get a ticket and in I go, LOL, national registry.

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I KNEW you'd love this one but really, after Virginia Tech you could see this one coming right?

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This isn't police state bullshit. All these criminal records are already in the system, all they're mandating is for gun-stores to be able to check them and not sell to mentally ill people. Oh the outrage, Mr. Bipolar who just got a divorce can't get a gun. I know they can get them on the street, but that doesn't mean anyone anywhere knows where to get one off the streets, it's mostly the people in gangs already on the streets that use this. People who generally go on mass shooting sprees aren't gansta's, they're usually disturbed middle-class folk.

So does this mean that confidential medical records are now available as a result of a background check? If someone has ADD, or dyslexia, or a history of depression, will this bar them from getting a gun? If someone acts a little strange, is that grounds for failing a background check?

Really, there are always going to be vengeful assholes in the world, and as much as we like to assign blame for every bad thing that ever happens, that's not realistic or healthy.

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So does this mean that confidential medical records are now available as a result of a background check? If someone has ADD, or dyslexia, or a history of depression, will this bar them from getting a gun? If someone acts a little strange, is that grounds for failing a background check?

Really, there are always going to be vengeful assholes in the world, and as much as we like to assign blame for every bad thing that ever happens, that's not realistic or healthy.

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Seung-Hui Cho, the Virginia Tech gunman, should have been barred from buying the two handguns because a court had ordered him to undergo outpatient mental health treatment.

"The Virginia Tech shootings tragically demonstrated the gaps in the system that allowed a dangerous person to be armed," said Paul Helmke, president of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence.
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I can't find the actual bill so I can't say for sure what the guidlelines are. From this article it kind of insinuates that a person would have to be court ordered to get treatment and deemed to be a dangerous. But who knows how deep it really goes.

Have a good one!:s4:

Wonder what's going to happen to our right to bear arms in the mere future

I say we establish a right to bear swords. Can't say if it will be for better worse, but I'd like to give it a shot:jointsmile:

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I say we establish a right to bear swords. Can't say if it will be for better worse, but I'd like to give it a shot:jointsmile:

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With the new avatar should come a new philosophy also. Picture Mahmoud Ahmadinejad as Morgoth and "The Precious" as democracy!:thumbsup:

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So does this mean that confidential medical records are now available as a result of a background check? If someone has ADD, or dyslexia, or a history of depression, will this bar them from getting a gun? If someone acts a little strange, is that grounds for failing a background check?

Really, there are always going to be vengeful assholes in the world, and as much as we like to assign blame for every bad thing that ever happens, that's not realistic or healthy.

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I don't think people should be barred from owning a gun unless they are very mentally ill. ADD and dyslexia don't count. If this were enacted sooner, a fatal shooting by a severely mentally ill man at the state capitol building in my hometown would not have occured a year or two back. However, anyone who is not mentally ill and who has no record of violent crime should not be hassled in my opinion.

They need to change it from barring "convicted felons" to "people convicted of violent crime". Think about it. Possessing over 10 grams of cannabis in my homestate is a felony.

I actually agree with the sword thing...Why are we allowed to carry a gun and not a sword? i mean seriously, think about it. I'd love to carry around one of my swords.
I understand a sword could hurt a person accidentally, but that is why they make scabbards


still i agree mental records should be used to determine if a person can buy one or not.

In the state of Wisconsin you can as long as it's visable and in a sheath. I bought one at pawn a few months back for my birthday. LOL....I was on the bike so I just strapped it to my back and up the highway I went. The dude at pawn loved it!:thumbsup:

Enough to bring a tear to Gandolfs eye........:D

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I dunno I don't like the idea of the mentally ill walking around with 12 gauges loaded with bear slugs but this just seems like a step in the direction of everyone being too unstable to have guns. How long before your insane? I'm not too worried cuase I already have my guns and if the law comes down on that They're going in the ground till I deem them to be a needed tool. Also if one student at Virginia tech would of had a gun the entire situation could of been stopped or at least scaled down in terms of cost of life.

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I dunno I don't like the idea of the mentally ill walking around with 12 gauges loaded with bear slugs but this just seems like a step in the direction of everyone being too unstable to have guns. How long before your insane? I'm not too worried cuase I already have my guns and if the law comes down on that They're going in the ground till I deem them to be a needed tool. Also if one student at Virginia tech would of had a gun the entire situation could of been stopped or at least scaled down in terms of cost of life.

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did you read that artical written by Ted Nugent about that?? ill try to find my link for it i wrote a whole paper about that shit. the question i got, is because i just got a possession charge, will i be able to get my .45?? i got all the fuckin rifles i need, i just want a pistol and a concealed weapon permit

Oh hell ya you'll still be able to carry as long as it still a misdemenor

I dunno, I dont like any gun control laws of any kind. They seem to only hurt the legal citizens and not the real criminals. I mean real criminals dont go through all the checks b/c they can buy guns on the streets. It may stop a few people but I think that when the second admendment said that the right to bear arms shall not be infringed they meant it 100 percent. I believe stuff like this is a slippery slope.

This is a complete waste of time and money. The NRA gave in too easily. The more gun control the less safe this country becomes. Like rebgirl said, this is just going to make it harder for law abiding citizens to get guns when the criminals will get them anyways. Kennesaw, Georgia passed a mandatory gun law and their crime rate has been falling ever since (http://http://www.tysknews.com/Depts...e_plummets.htm source) Another law just like it was passed in a town called virgin in Utah, same result. Don't tell me the criminals just suddenly saw the error in their ways