You can't kill an idealism

The one thing I truly don't understand with this Iraq kerfuffle is why those in power think its possible to kill every single terrorist. Like a game of space invaders, they expect to sweep the whole country, taking them all out one at a time until they're all gone. Alright! You win. Time to go home.

The fact is, the taliban will never die. Idealisms are passed on, however many insurgents you can nuke and how fast isn't a factor. For every family man/women/child the troops take out, I would almost imagine they single handedly converted a whole bunch of other, maybe even previously peaceful Iraqis into fighting for the cause. It's a good enough fuckin' reason in my eyes.

It is an insane world we live in when the answer to every global conflict is kill, kill, kill. Every side is as bloodthirsty as eachother. I'm not gonna beat around the bush, like pretty much everyone on the planet, i'm unable to come up with a decent solution to the problem of terrorism. I think it is impossible at this stage. It doesn't hurt however, to point out that nuking an entire country in the hope of defeating a centuries old idealism through process of elimination of it's inhabitants, is, for lack of a better word, completely insane.

i think they are just trying to break their spirits not whip them out. . .Just like they did with every other country, or race for that matter. . .

Take a football game..........if you knock out key players it makes the other team weaker......keep knocking out enough men and they can't play.

What do ya do when a preditor like a wolf starts to esculate attacks on livestock? You reduce its numbers..........

Have a good one!:s4:

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Originally Posted by WildeStyle

Yes, but the fact of the matter is that this isn't a football game, and by killing them, you're only creating martyrs. It's a tricky situation, and I sure as hell don't have a solution...

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Watch Hamas Mickey one time........they'll create them whether we are there or not. Assclown population controll.............

No bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country.
George S. Patton

Have a good one!:s4:

"they'll create them whether we are there or not"

Lol, soooo your agreeing with me?

yeah and the longer the US stays in the middle-east the more terrorist(freedom fighters) we create...what did they say 100yr war well better get busy making babies--err nevermind thats what the mexicans are for

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Originally Posted by B.Basher

"they'll create them whether we are there or not"

Lol, soooo your agreeing with me?

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I totally agree that we can't stomp out this element completely but we sure can keep the numbers down. If your a farmer with a wolf problem you thin out the wolf pack reducing livestock kill.........same thing.

The news and "some" in here just LOVE to post up on the number of U.S. soldiers dead but how many of the insurgent/terrorists are visiting with Allah now?

Have a good one!:s4:

I posted this up before.......it doesn't matter if we are in the middle east or not.......these people have an agenda!
http://boards.cannabis.com/politics/...slam-rule.html

Have a good one!:s4:

"The news and "some" in here just LOVE to post up on the number of U.S. soldiers dead but how many of the insurgent/terrorists are visiting with Allah now?"

I nearly said those numbers are irellevant, that was the fool-arse liberal beeyatch coming out. Close call! :thumbsup:

The thing is, while trying my best to refrain from prioritising figures, the US toll is more of a factor than the Iraqi toll in such an argument. Of course your wasting a fuckload of them everyday, how could you not? That much is certain. In fact, your so ahead of yourself, your taking out the civilians too, good job there Uncle Sam :wtf:. It comes down to the lost cause of the strategy. Sure, you can kill 'em, kill hundreds every day, but your still so, so far away from making the difference your supposed to be making. It's not a video game, these people have values and virtues of their own, and they won't die with them. That's not how shit works, and never has. There is no supreme commander or dictator to take down, just loads of sweaty, hateful psychotics following an idealism that is HUGE and neverending. When it is clear that die hard, air-punching political sheep have their mind made up that the psychotic approach is most effective, the best you can do is show them the harm it does to your own side. There has been no development in Bush's cause since day one, what else is there to do but remind you that he is doing more harm than good to his own people, more than any filthy, penniless insurgent nutjob could.

"If your a farmer with a wolf problem you thin out the wolf pack reducing livestock kill.........same thing."

No, it's not the same thing. Jesus Christ. That is such an unrealistic approach to take.

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Originally Posted by eg420ne

yeah and the longer the US stays in the middle-east the more terrorists (freedom fighters) we create...

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as long as there are people living in poverty and desperation and fanatics willing to exploit that desperation to gain power, there will be terrorists in the middle east. the us did not create that desperation and poverty and it certainly can't be expected to alleviate it all on its own. this one sided view of the causes of terrorism is as foolish as the idea that if we're nice to them then they'll be nice to us. sometimes that crap just doesn't fly. i know it's easy to say that it's all the fault of those evil americans, but such simplicity is not a virtue.

I'm almost certain poverty has nothing to do with it. Are you trying to say they are pissed off for being poor so decide to attack America? Now that's some simple shit.

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Originally Posted by B.Basher

I nearly said those numbers are irellevant, that was the fool-arse liberal beeyatch coming out. Close call! :thumbsup:

I was waiting for that one.......DAMN, LMAO!:thumbsup:

The thing is, while trying my best to refrain from prioritising figures, the US toll is more of a factor than the Iraqi toll in such an argument. Of course your wasting a fuckload of them everyday, how could you not? That much is certain. In fact, your so ahead of yourself, your taking out the civilians too, good job there Uncle Sam :wtf:..

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Yeah, unforturnately civilians die in war zones. Like when a suicide bomber blows himself up in the middle of their market places killing sister Muslims and her children.

If civilian death toll would have been such a huge issue during WW2 we all would have been doing a goose step today. That's one of the problems with this war, we aren't able to fight it like it was a war.....gotta try to stay politically correct for the masses. IF we didn't, this would have been resolved a couple years ago.

Have a good one!:s4:

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Originally Posted by B.Basher

I'm almost certain poverty has nothing to do with it. Are you trying to say they are pissed off for being poor so decide to attack America? Now that's some simple shit.

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Watch the flicks I posted once.......it's about the world under Islamic rule with the Jews and Christians playing the part of pets being cared for. They long for the return of the Persian/Ottoman empire.

By "they", I mean the fanatics. I do believe that most Muslims would like peace, but in accordance with the Quran they aren't able to go up against a fellow Muslim; therefore we don't hear much from the moderates.

Have a good one!:s4:

"IF we didn't, this would have been resolved a couple years ago."

Lol, only because Iraq would be a smouldering crater. No people at all = no terrorists huh? If only it were that simple. I think it's clear this war is so far from the noble cause of WW2 it's unreal, thanks very much. That does usually happen when you try to compare a WORLD war with, what can only be called, an American war.

"By "they", I mean the fanatics. I do believe that most Muslims would like peace, but in accordance with the Quran they aren't able to go up against a fellow Muslim; therefore we don't hear much from the moderates."

Bingo. Political motivations aside, I definitely don't feel bad about saying that Islam is a most fucked up religion. Not racist, not prejudiced, I don't hate Muslims for it, but Islam is screwed in the head. Then again, so is America :D , in it's own lovable way.

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Originally Posted by B.Basher

I definitely don't feel bad about saying that Islam is a most fucked up religion. Not racist, not prejudiced, I don't hate Muslims for it, but Islam is screwed in the head. Then again, so is America :D , in it's own lovable way.

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Originally Posted by B.Basher

I think it's clear this war is so far from the noble cause of WW2 it's unreal, thanks very much. That does usually happen when you try to compare a WORLD war with, what can only be called, an American war.

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THIS is what really puzzles me. Even the left realize that radical Islam is a threat no matter how much their proverbial asses are kissed but yet they are reluctant to classify this as a world war. This "war" is taking place in the Phillipines, Russia, the Middle East, in Europe and in the U.S. ......how much more of the world needs to be covered?

Have a good one!:s4:

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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud

THIS is what really puzzles me. Even the left realize that radical Islam is a threat no matter how much their proverbial asses are kissed but yet they are reluctant to classify this as a world war. This "war" is taking place in the Phillipines, Russia, the Middle East, in Europe and in the U.S. ......how much more of the world needs to be covered?

Have a good one!:s4:

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How much more can we afford to cover? This world policeman shit is for the fucking birds!

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Originally Posted by B.Basher

I'm almost certain poverty has nothing to do with it. Are you trying to say they are pissed off for being poor so decide to attack America? Now that's some simple shit.

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desperate people are prone to desperate acts and when they are directed by the unscrupulous those acts can be turned in some rather perverse directions. yes, it is an oversimplification. if you'd like; i can go into religious fanaticism, rabid tribalism or simple psychotic behavior. however, sometimes the simplest reasons are the best and in this case it fits. though not everyone who is performing these acts fits within the confines of this narrow definition, a majority of those blowing themselves up for the sake of islam are those with little to lose and the promises of the afterlife seem a wonderful alternative to their life here. considering the drab life available under theocratic rule, even i would prefer the glory of ending my life as a martyr.

considering the drab life available under theocratic rule, even i would prefer the glory of ending my life as a martyr.
Get ready to die, If Bush has his way, this will be a theocratic Christian state. I hope the next president, no matter which party, is a secularist. If I was forced to go to church I might have to revolt, prayers, what, 5 times a day, those guys are fanatics. Bush and his messages from god scare me as much as Amajinadad. The world has had more deaths attributed to religion than most any one other cause, Greed plays a close second, and that is what is driving the wars in Iraq and Afganistan.

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Originally Posted by medicinal

Get ready to die, If Bush has his way, this will be a theocratic Christian state.

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you've gotta be a believer to be a martyr and all i really believe in is a well rolled joint:S5:and the divinity of janis.

we might not be going about this the correct way, but can we sit back and let those terrorists attack us and do nothing? i think not.

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Originally Posted by higher4hockey

we might not be going about this the correct way, but can we sit back and let those terrorists attack us and do nothing? i think not.

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We're on the offensive with Al-Queda........Israel with Hamas and Hezbollah....the Russians with the Chechen rebels.........and as far as China goes, if there is a suspect element in their country they just line them up and shoot em'. Oh yeah, India (being Hindu) have probs with the Muslim extremists in their country also.

One of the MAJOR problems is that we have 5 nuclear armed countries with no common platform on how to battle this. I REALLY find it Ironic that the Russians have aided Iran in their enrichment capabilities full well knowing that they back the Chechen rebels. UNREAL!

OOPS....make that 6; I forgot about Al-Queda elements in Algeria calling for attacks on France.

Have a good one!:s4:

Just out of interest, when was the last time it was big news in America that a terrorist attack has been foiled? It's happened maybe 3 or 4 times here since 9/11 (supposedly).

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Originally Posted by B.Basher

Just out of interest, when was the last time it was big news in America that a terrorist attack has been foiled? It's happened maybe 3 or 4 times here since 9/11 (supposedly).

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Your absolutely right! BUT it's also hard to make plans of that scale when your constantly on the move dodging bombing raids. That's where in this "game", a strong offense makes for a good defense.

Have a good one!:s4:

Lol, and a nationwide contempt towards Muslims might help also. I see very little danger of another attack happening in the United States, especially after everything that's happened. Our problem is our strong multicultural societal structure and tiny size as a country. We most definitely have an 'enemy within' to worry about. You guys are more a danger to yourselves.

Man, I felt like a terrorist just being at LA airport last year. I was security checked five times. Must be the beard.

As far as a national contempt.......there ARE alot of good folk that follow the faith of Islam....it's just the damn extremists.

I don't know about the beard thing.......we've been keeping an eye out on you dudes since 1776....LOL

Have a good one!:s4:

I think I'm on some list somewhere, because every time I fly I have to go through the high security line and through the sniffer. Must be all this posting against the Bush regime. The best part is, I usually get through the checkpoint way faster than the regular suspects, sometimes the regular line is around the block and the special line only has a few people in it. Plus, it just feels good to be special!

MED its all the heat your packing how many times do i have to tell you,, leave the machine gun at home.....