Narrow minded music "fans"

I can't stand people that are narrow minded when it comes to music. It's fair enough to have your niche, people that say they like everything seem to think they've heard everything, but I draw the line at people so isolated as to label other music talentless.

Take this barmaid at my local the other day. Pretty safe, even gave me and my chums free drinks. I ask her what kinda music she's into. Kinda went like this:

Her: I love heavy metal. It's my favourite.
Me: That's cool.
Her: Yeah, I can't stand talentless music, I hate it. I hate talentless music.
Me: Umm, ok. Like what?
Her: You know, blues and stuff.
Me: You think blues is talentless.
Her: Yeah, it's awful. Jazz too.
Me: Jazz too, ok. You understand that you'd have no heavy metal if it wasn't for blues?
Her: I don't care, it's rubbish. I hate hiphop too. All computer music is talentless.
Me: I see, you understand that all music production involves computers.
Her: But there's no talent in sitting at your computer like a nerd, thats not music.
Me: But that's exactly how all music is made, even metal.
Her: I don't think so.
Me: I know so.
Her: Well then your just not a fan of heavy metal.
Me: ....

She then went on to say the beatles are the worst band in history and all jazz is nothing but random notes. If she hadn't provided me and my friends with free booze and had a pretty safe goth image going on, I think I would have beaten her to death with a chair.

It's all about eclectic taste and respect for all forms. No matter how much they might grind you the wrong way, there was always an inspired musical mind that came up with it. Least you can do is respect it, or write something that will please everybody, and we all know thats not possible.

Rant over :D

I can normally appreciate all types of music, but country is just no good. At all. I don't get how people can listen to it.

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Originally Posted by Matt the Funk

I can normally appreciate all types of music, but country is just no good. At all. I don't get how people can listen to it.

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lol me neither. im not calling it talentless, im just saying i hate it.

and that bartender is highly ignorant. jazz consists of more than just 'random' notes. it requires odd note patterns and scales, and modes, and shit she couldnt even begin to comprehend.

i typically dont like heavy metal. like i do like metallica, and some bands will have a few songs i like, but overall i dont like the genre. the guitar players are sick and highly technical, but what they play i just typically dont like the sound of.

man I used to think kind of similarly bout 2-3 years ago, I thought shit like techno and drum and bass was talentless cause it involved computers, as I began to learn more and smoke I saw that the music I thought was talentless actually took fucking talent to make it you know, e.g. aphex twin, pendulum shit like that. Ahh the irony

My music taste has always been random as hell...since ive become a stoner its been even more random. I used to say I dont mind any music....except country or except classical...But now I really like Johnny Cash, some classic instrumental stuff is really powerful to trip out to....music keeps me ticking over.

She sounds like a fuckin' wuss...

There are some bands I consider talentless, but whole styles of music? No way! Thats insane.


Also, about country. I suggest listening to pre-1970 country. The new country age has butchered the music, and brought in too many song writers and allowed image to affect the artist too greatly. There are some artists like Shooter Jennings are still putting out country with grit and spirit, but that could be attributed to his father being one of the founding fathers of true country. Okay I'm baked and going off on a tangent, haha, sorry.

katy, since u seem to be a big country lover, I suggest you listen to Neko Case. One of the artists that defy this "new country age." She's one of the guitarists/singers from the indie band The New Pornographers, but she does excellent solo country stuff. Well, it's progressive country :P

Awesome stuff tho, check the album Blacklisted.

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Originally Posted by thcbongman

katy, since u seem to be a big country lover, I suggest you listen to Neko Case. One of the artists that defy this "new country age." She's one of the guitarists/singers from the indie band The New Pornographers, but she does excellent solo country stuff. Well, it's progressive country :P

Awesome stuff tho, check the album Blacklisted.

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I love both Neko and The New Pornographers. Music has always been a huge part of my life, and alt-country is what I'm REALLY into right now. It's not exactly country, but you should check out Billy Bragg & Wilco- Mermaid Avenue. The late father of american folk music, Woody Guthrie, left journals full of lyrics he never put to music after his death. His widow gave them to Billy Bragg to put to music, and he got help from Wilco, and the resulting album (and Mermaid Avenue vol.2) is fucking amazing. It's got a feeling you just never get anymore, and a beauty in the lyrics that only Woody Guthrie could give.

Oh I definitely have to check it out, being a fan of Wilco and all! I'll also get some Woody Guthrie to catch up with the times!

Its fucked up, i bet that chick never even listened to jazz or the blues. I can also assure you she never heard anything like Boards of Canada or Shpongle (and everything inbetween), yet she can put down all forms of electronic music. But whatever, shes just being the dumb one and limiting herself to one genre, its a shame she wont ever hear something worthwhile

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Originally Posted by Metaphor

Its fucked up, i bet that chick never even listened to jazz or the blues. I can also assure you she never heard anything like Boards of Canada or Shpongle (and everything inbetween), yet she can put down all forms of electronic music. But whatever, shes just being the dumb one and limiting herself to one genre, its a shame she wont ever hear something worthwhile

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It's funny you mention Boards of Canada. Whenever I come here, I always call it Boards of Cannabis in my head, after them.

Dont mess with a chick whos that stupid number one. Even music you hate 90 percent of the time has some sort of talent. You have to be able to respect other music too. Like I dislike rap but as someone who plays an instrument I can say that a good number of those rappers have put alot of work into their music.

I let it get me down too much. By the way reb, I feel the need to clarify that your Paris Hilton quote is definitely not a supportive tribute.

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Originally Posted by yoda

lol me neither. im not calling it talentless, im just saying i hate it.

and that bartender is highly ignorant. jazz consists of more than just 'random' notes. it requires odd note patterns and scales, and modes, and shit she couldnt even begin to comprehend.

i typically dont like heavy metal. like i do like metallica, and some bands will have a few songs i like, but overall i dont like the genre. the guitar players are sick and highly technical, but what they play i just typically dont like the sound of.

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I'm sure someone has already told you or you have already heard but give a listen to tool. Alt. Metal / Progessive Metal that reminds me of a modern age floyd, and if you already have than hats off to YA! :rastasmoke:

Onto the subject of dibwitted, un-knowledgeable people who know nothing of music...

Of course every music takes talent except modern country! :D EH, ok maybe a little, but it still BLOWS.

If the musician plays their own instruments they have obvious talent.

I must admit though, it's not hard to make a beat on a computer and stick words in with it.

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Originally Posted by WildeStyle

That's true...

However, some fucking awesome music has been made with them... look at Aphex Twin, Squarepusher, etc...

Hell, Thom Yorke's solo album's pretty good.

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You are indeed right.

I think when we're talking about talantlessness, it has to be on a band by band basis - i mean, no one can say a whole genre is talantless because that's just not true.

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Originally Posted by WildeStyle

Yeah, definately.

What annoys me more than people insulting entire genres of music, is people that listen only to one or two bands, or from a very select bunch of artists. I dunno why, it just irritates me when there's so much good stuff out there.

Although, I think we can safely agree that My Chemical Romance suck. My younger brother has recently got into them, and the Kaiser Chiefs. :(

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Oh my god i agree 100%. I was having a conversation about them with my old bass tech [from the days i was in a band]

Supposidly they're meant to be headlining download this year - well, that's one festival i'm definatly not going to.

Gonna agree with My Chemical Romance and Kaiser. Perfect example of style over substance. The worst part is these bands are hyped as prodigys, wrapped in a glossy bow and people suck it all in. The next Hendrix will never be found because the industry wants flavours of the month, not talent.

"I must admit though, it's not hard to make a beat on a computer and stick words in with it."

It's like drawing dude. Easy to do, but hard to do well.

Music goes with the mood of the moment for me. There is certain types I like to toke to, make love, drink, other things that can't be mentioned here.

I see alot of slamming on country music but I'll tell ya, you get into a little bar pounding down some brews and there is no better music. The people seem to come alive and strangers act like best friends. Don't know why, just an observation.

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

I'll tell ya, the country music station on GTA: San Andreas got me into country. I'm yet to downlo... I mean, buy any on CD but I love that stuff. It's just so calm and composed, really helps evaporate the malicious, viral, warmongering image of America us foreigners are used to and focus on the warm and positive, traditional laid-back, value preachin' good ol', knockin'-a-brew-back, super safe America.

I don't see what the big outrage is with country? It's not particularly hard on the ears, I would have thought most peeps that dig their blues would be able to relate.

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Originally Posted by B.Basher

I'll tell ya, the country music station on GTA: San Andreas got me into country. I'm yet to downlo... I mean, buy any on CD but I love that stuff. It's just so calm and composed, really helps evaporate the malicious, viral, warmongering image of America us foreigners are used to and focus on the warm and positive, traditional laid-back, value preachin' good ol', knockin'-a-brew-back, super safe America.

I don't see what the big outrage is with country? It's not particularly hard on the ears, I would have thought most peeps that dig their blues would be able to relate.

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You know that's funny. I got into a few of those songs from SA. I havnt got any on cd or downloads, but i dont mind listening to it as im driving about shooting up "da hood" lol.

This is why they call them dead head metal fans.

Kaiser Chiefs. I liked the first album a lot, but the new one is shit for some reason, I suspect because in fact you are all right, they ARE shit.

Country music. I like some, especially blue grass!

"Aaaall my exes live in Texas, that's whyyyy i'm here in Tennessee!"

Yeeeeehaaaaaaw!

Yeah man, jingley jangley fiddledy diddley dunkety too, muhuh.

YouTube - Steve Earle and the Del McCoury Band @ Farm Aid

Caught these guys on Jools Holland a few years ago, they were totally amazing, a rare treat these days to find a band as talented as these guys. Shame I can't find a clip of that. The Mavericks came on after them to play there crappy new song, and Holland walked over with the mic "So what d'you think of that then?" LOL... oh yeah its got like balls a thousand times sweatier than what we are about to play haha...

I don't mind folk music, but if I never hear another song about a tractor again it would be too soon.

YouTube - Combine Harvester ooh arrrrr

I would like someone to look me in the eye, and tell me lynyrd skynyrd

sucks, I would say to them they have no heart no soul, mabey there not

your fav. band, but you have to admeit they make good music. myself

I hate rap music, but I have heard a few rap songs that I like, so we cant

throw the baby out with the bath water. we need to respect other peoples

music, its there artistic expresion, love and peace

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jdmarcus59 we need to respect other peoples music

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Unless, of course, that music happens to be easy listening jazz. Talk about a basterdazation of a great genre. You take jazz, water it down and make it "safe" for fearful whites. Or some such thing:rastasmoke:

easy listing music? yea its good when your in the docters office lol

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Originally Posted by LIP

If the musician plays their own instruments they have obvious talent.

I must admit though, it's not hard to make a beat on a computer and stick words in with it.

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yeah lip but its hard to make a good beat on a computer and stick good words innnit

Jazz improvisation is an art, and most people do not even understand it, much less appreciate it.

The Country music genre is very big. There's the "old-timey" folk styles, bluegrass, the Bakersfield sound (Haggard, Owens, etc.), Nashville, dozens of regional folk styles (e.g. Bayou), and more that we classify as "country" music. Most of the recent recordings of popular country music, from the past fifteen or twenty years, sound more like rock to me. I prefer the older styles of country, and some people continue to make this music - in spite of the major record companies' refusal to release it.

The music industry, as defined by many of today's record companies, is pretty bad - . mainly due to greed.

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Originally Posted by Nocturnal Stoner

yeah lip but its hard to make a good beat on a computer and stick good words innnit

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It is hard to make synthetic music sound good, but when it does it sounds amazing. Techno music is my number one styley I always tune into divbyzero.de they usually have some nice progressive shaman-trance going down there. Shame you never hear much from Aphex Twin these days.

I'm one of the few people on my course that isn't that much into Aphex Twin.

I appreciate the effort and innovative weirdness, but a lot of the time I find his stuff quite inaccessible. I love his ambient and soundtrack works (he did an AMAZING track for the Dead Man's Shoes OST) but I find most of his other work void of any real identity. A lot of it just comes off as shameless experimentation. Naturally, this is what we call experimental music, but a lot of the time, its hard to fit AT into any real context or purpose (in my opinion obviously).

Still a fan, I just prefer Squarepusher. :D

Have you heard Classics (1995)?

He released a new album last year apparently
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"Even his work gets a little weird sometimes..."

He's fucking amazing. I had no idea how he made his music until a mate told me about it. He has a MIDI pickup on his bass and basically goes off on insane improvised jazz fusion style riffs that trigger all the immense samples and effects. Would love to see a life show.

Computer? There are SOOO many unique sounds that just can not be made using live instrumentation. You need a computer for at least some part of most music anyway.

That shit is not easy though. Not just anybody can make a beat using a computer (I mean a usable beat). You need some knowledge, creativity, experience, love/knowledge of music...talking about notes, bars, different parts of the song, choruses, first/second/third 16, intro, outro, bridges...snares, hi-hats, bassline, melody, piano roll, you gotta mix it, smooth it out, put everything in place...shit without a computer these days, there wouldn't be the quality of music that we see these days.

On the topic of country there are some good songs Take les say Jason Boland-Them Boys from Oklahoma, Johny Cash and Bob Dylan-One To Many Mornings, Old Crow Medicine Show-Wagon Wheel, James McMurtry-Choctaw Bingo.

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Originally Posted by B.Basher

I can't stand people that are narrow minded when it comes to music. It's fair enough to have your niche, people that say they like everything seem to think they've heard everything, but I draw the line at people so isolated as to label other music talentless.

Take this barmaid at my local the other day. Pretty safe, even gave me and my chums free drinks. I ask her what kinda music she's into. Kinda went like this:

Her: I love heavy metal. It's my favourite.
Me: That's cool.
Her: Yeah, I can't stand talentless music, I hate it. I hate talentless music.
Me: Umm, ok. Like what?
Her: You know, blues and stuff.
Me: You think blues is talentless.
Her: Yeah, it's awful. Jazz too.
Me: Jazz too, ok. You understand that you'd have no heavy metal if it wasn't for blues?
Her: I don't care, it's rubbish. I hate hiphop too. All computer music is talentless.
Me: I see, you understand that all music production involves computers.
Her: But there's no talent in sitting at your computer like a nerd, thats not music.
Me: But that's exactly how all music is made, even metal.
Her: I don't think so.
Me: I know so.
Her: Well then your just not a fan of heavy metal.
Me: ....

She then went on to say the beatles are the worst band in history and all jazz is nothing but random notes. If she hadn't provided me and my friends with free booze and had a pretty safe goth image going on, I think I would have beaten her to death with a chair.

It's all about eclectic taste and respect for all forms. No matter how much they might grind you the wrong way, there was always an inspired musical mind that came up with it. Least you can do is respect it, or write something that will please everybody, and we all know thats not possible.

Rant over :D

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beetles aren't the worse band in history, ther eare far worse, but they are by far overated...

more so, i think people just don't use correct terms... talentless = it's not my style, worst band in history = exact opposite of my style...

lol... i say shit like that too, but i still don't think i could play music or sing better then anyone i talk shit about.... it's just an over-exageration whichi s pretty much, now a huge part of the english language... just think about how many over exagerations are used day in day out, instead of just empasizing on opinion and feeling...

i tend to be close minded too, cuz i HAVE heard aLOT of what other genre's offer, and i don' tlike it.... i don't waste my time listening to every thing by every band/singer when i can pretty much confirm i don'tlike it...

BUT, if i should hear a song and like it.. i'm not past adding it to my playlist... even if it's in the groub i've labled 'unworthy of further exploration'

also tho if you ask me.... i do find alot of modern music (even music in my comfort genre) to be utterly tallentless.... any idiot with five minutes can write lyrics, any body that has 6 months experience with acomputer and a copule months with a program like acid or w/e can produce beats, and any idiot can make music with an instrument.. that doesn't mean what they're donig is talent... it just means they've had minimal practice...