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I'm by no means a supporter of Hillary, but I'm not adamently against her either. In fact, I honestly just don't know much about her! But really, I'm constantly hearing people going off about her with such hatred, and nobody ever gives a single reason. I usually get something vauge like "she's a controlling bitch."
So what is it that irks people so much that I'm missing? Is it her policy? Her religious beliefs? Her past remarks? What?
I don't exactly like Hillarious Clinton, But will vote for her if she becomes the nominee. The upside to her is the fact that Bill will be residing in the white house again and I'm pretty sure she listens to his counsel. I realize she has a mind of her own, but on huge policy decisions, I wouldn't count out some whispering in her ear by Billy boy. Bill Clinton made some mistakes, (NAFTA) comes to mind, and I'm sure there was many more, although he ultimately got impeached by lying about a blowjob, something any married man would do, the opposition could find no wrong doing in Whitewater, the original charges brought against him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Billionfold
Well shes a democrat and I don't really like her health care views, im sure she's for gun control too and high taxes, and shes against the war, oh and the fact that she moved to NY just to become a senator.
Geeze Pleeze change the color of your fonts, they make my eyes bleed.Quote:
Originally Posted by rebgirl420
Nope but green isnt my fave color either;)
I actually wish everyone would use standard font cause almost every other color hurts my eyes to some degree...ESPECIALLY YELLOW. thank god no one uses it...anyways people hate people for stupid reasons, sometimes no reason except to have an opinion/fit in.Quote:
Originally Posted by medicinal
Im sure shes not a bad person in real life but i dunno, I couldnt vote for her
I have now made the stupidest post in the history of cannabis.com. But I at least made it in standard font.
damn mexicans they took our whitehouse really hilldabeast wouldnt be any better then JR, they both serve the same master
All that plus Whitewater.Quote:
Originally Posted by rebgirl420
Women don't like the fact that she buckled to her ol' mans affairs in order to stay in the "power" struggle in Washington. SELL OUT!
I just don't care for her at all.......don't know why but she has ALWAYS just tweeked a nerve. Hell, I'd vote for Bill again before her.
Have a good one!:s4:
Have any of you ever noticed the gender inequality in our language? Men are "husky" or "portly". Women are just "fat". A man is "authoritative", while a woman is a "controlling bit*h". A man "sows his wild oats" or is a "stud" (or whatever the latest term is). A woman who does exactly the same thing is a "slut". I could go on, but it gets kind of repetitious! Our society is simply misogynist in nature.
Why do some folks hate Hillary?
Simple! She doesn't have a penis!
- Granny:hippy:
ps. Women STILL earn only about 77% of what men earn- and then they come home to the housework and kids! Most below-poverty-level families are headed by women.
A. Because she doesn't have a penis
B. Because she has a brain. A lot of people find intelligent women very threatening.
C. Because she's educated. See reason B above and substitute the word "educated" for intelligent. Seriously, though. It's true. There is a large faction of people out there who prefer someone who's not all that smart, and especially who prefer a woman who isn't. Intelligent, educated women are uppity troublemakers who don't roll over as easily.
D. Because she comes with baggage in the shape of Bill.
The women and men I know personally admire Hillary a lot. And nearly all of us admire the fact that she stuck with Bill even after the Lewinsky scandal. We don't see it as her having stayed in there for the political ride, either. More than half the country would have backed her in a big way if she'd packed her bags and left, and she's smart and well-known enough that she could have still had her own political life separate from his. As a married woman, I have to think that the one thing that kept her hanging in there through that awful episode was the fact that she loved the guy and had a long history with him, which is admirable. I think love is the one make-or-break factor that keeps women hanging in with marriages when infidelity occurs.
How true! Ya just got some good rep on that one....:thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Storm Crow
I believe there is a day coming when we WILL see a woman as President but I just can't see Hillary being the one. How about Condi???:D
Have a good one!:s4:
Never say never Billionfold........lol
Have a good one!:s4:
^^^ That picture of Condi cracks me up!!! ^^^ I think it's because she's such a guarded, careful diplomat who chooses her words so carefully and seems so uptight. To see her in a helmet like she's about to race in a car or fly a fighter jet just tickles my funny bone to no end!!! I have this sneaking suspicion that she'd be a wicked lot of fun with a couple of drinks and maybe a few tokes in her!
I think she'd be a hell of alot of fun myself.......hehehe
Have a good one!:s4:
Now that's just wicked!! I love it.
Sadly Condi is built in the bust about like me. Yet another reason to admire her! She hasn't had any surgical enhancements. But I like to think she'd be rolling on the floor if she could see that picture!
Hillary's alright in my book. But I woudn't want her mad at me and am not sure I'd want to be married to her. Looks like she could be fierce.
Id vote for Ms.Rice. And its not the fact that shes a chick or if the person is black. I don't give a crap about that. If I could find a woman who had the same views as me i'd vote her in in a second!
the hatred comes from her not doing shit to deserve being high up in government, her only experience is watching her duschebag husband cheat on her in office and appologise to the enemy. if she gets elected i think il move to australia. and i agree with rebgirl id vote for rice in a second
Condi rice being president would be the worst thing to happen to America,ok the second worst thing bush being the first.
So..... 23 posts and still not a single concrete answer. I'm really starting to suspect people are just going with the flow.
Here's a link to here campaign site (issues):
HillaryClinton.com - Issues
Not as much as one word about Iran, Hezbollah, Hamas........terrorism in general but she is a "Champion for Women".
What don't I like about her.....avoidance of the hard issues may just be one reason.
Have a good one!:s4:
The reason I don't really like her is like P4B says, the issues. She will go with the flow like the "politician" she is. I think she watches poles and embraces the most popular position. She still hasn't admitted voting for the War with the cheezy info they had was wrong. I just think she is sleazy, but as opposed to anything the repubes could field at this point, I'd vote for her if she was the dems candidate, better a dead democrat than a live repube. Maybe if Ron Paul would run as an independent on the demo platform with a dem for vice, I could consider him, Maybe.
and do we really want another clinton on the whitehouse...we need new people in control of the whitehouse that are for americans ONLY
There are a number of reasons, universal health care, gun control, possibly higher taxes, etc.
Personally I think our country would be worse under hillary than bush, and i despise bush/cheney. Besides, if she does get elected, that means for at least 24 years (unless she got impeached somehow) only 2 families will have been in control of the country. I want some fresh faces. We already had a clinton, we don't need another one. Bill was ok. Hillary is just a power hungry control freak like Nancy Pelosi. They think they are such hot shit cause they are women in power. They both have overinflated egos. I hope to God i never see either of them in power. I think someday we will have a woman president. And i think that would be pretty cool. But Hillary is NOT the right woman to be president!
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There are a number of reasons
That's hardly a bad thing IMO. Nobody should be denied care because of their ability to pay. But I would definately preferre something like some of the European systems, where there's one that's free and one for those who can pay. They seem to have the best results.Quote:
universal health care
What does this mean though? Guns should have some control. Gun control can range from waiting periods, to limitations on certain prospective buyers, to limited numbers, to bans on automatics, to bans on semi-automatics, bans on handguns, or outright bans of all guns.Quote:
gun control
Maybe, maybe not. Taxation isn't so simple as Less = Good, More = Bad. Who, how, when, and how much, these are all factors to consider.Quote:
possibly higher taxes
My god! :DQuote:
etc.
Yeah I definately agree there, the clintons didn't impress me much more than the Bush's. In fact Bill did a lot of shit just as bad as George, only difference was that he could do it quietly and with a smile followed by a saxaphone solo.Quote:
Personally I think our country would be worse under hillary than bush, and i despise bush/cheney. Besides, if she does get elected, that means for at least 24 years (unless she got impeached somehow) only 2 families will have been in control of the country. I want some fresh faces. We already had a clinton, we don't need another one. Bill was ok. Hillary is just a power hungry control freak like Nancy Pelosi. They think they are such hot shit cause they are women in power. They both have overinflated egos. I hope to God i never see either of them in power. I think someday we will have a woman president. And i think that would be pretty cool. But Hillary is NOT the right woman to be president!
I checked her "issues" section a while ago actually, and yeah there was so little information I didn't really have much to go off of. Thing is though, pretty much all the parties (including the Canadian parties here) have a sad dirth of information on their websites. Doesn't mean they don't have opinions though, they just tend to voice them in media and parliamentary/congressional debates.Quote:
Here's a link to here campaign site (issues):
HillaryClinton.com - Issues
Not as much as one word about Iran, Hezbollah, Hamas........terrorism in general but she is a "Champion for Women".
What don't I like about her.....avoidance of the hard issues may just be one reason.
But which voice to the media is it? Is it the one that talks tough about terrorist states or is it the one that sucks up to the parties voters? Both her and her hubby were condemning Saddam UNTIL just recent.......when the popular vote for invasion left the dems agenda EVERYTHING that they said pre-war should be forgotten? Shows REAL leadership.Quote:
Originally Posted by mrdevious
I also checked out a few other sites.......republicans McCain and Romney; they address the middle east and the issues in alot more detail.
Have a good one!:s4:
There we go, solid information!:D That's definately really disappointing when a politician supports the war that much for that long then just changes with the flow. One could argue that in a democratic society leadership opinions should reflect public opinion, including when it changes, but outright bashing the administration for something they previously supported themselves is just downright hypocritical. And I agree with you 100%, wishy washy politicians can't be trusted when their opinion is so flexible as to change on the fly without taking accountability for an initial stance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud
I would also like to say though, that terror is not the only issue someone should be focused on. I know that's a no-brainer, but some of the guys (particularily republicans) can't seem to talk about anything but terror 90% of the time. When did improving quality of life for your own citizens take second place as an important issue?
ONE thing I'll say about Shrillary Rotten Clit,if she wins the whitehouse and Bill somehow replaces the new U.N. Secretary General,you can kiss this country GOODBYE!
Lets say you own a beautiful home and you have one of two choices. You either spend money to plant new shrubs and trees to further beautify your home or you fix the roof that is starting to leak a bit. The logical thing to do is to fix the roof. From the outside it doesn't really look any different to the neighbors or to yourself but you know that you made improvements in the best interests of your family.Quote:
Originally Posted by mrdevious
Just like the home owner the top priority is to keep the infrastructure in tact.
Have a good one!:s4:
Lets say you have a country. wouldn't it make sense to fix the fences to keep out undesirables, Kind of like fixing your front door on your house to keep out burglars. wouldn't it make sense to not go 12,000 miles away and try and fix someone elses house. This grand lie of the Bush regime that they'll follow us home is pure bullshit, get over it, really six idiots trying to buy automatic weapons to attack an army base, pure bullshit. Fix our house and take care of our citizens. Why are the Repubes so concerned with the Iraqi citizens, they certainly aren't concerned with us. Oh. my God, we need to build schools in Iraq, while our own education system is going to the dogs, pathetic fucking pathetic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud
I'm with ya on fixing the fence completely.......they should have the Great Wall going from California threw Texas. Put up outposts every mile with shoot to kill orders for anyone or anything that goes over the top. They got sensors that could detect tunnels.....Git R Done!:thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by medicinal
As for the education.........if we weren't paying out millions/yr. teaching illegal children in the U.S. that would free up alot of funds for children of actual U.S. citizens. DAMN....maybe I should run for Prez.....LMAO!
As for over there, well....we just don't see eye to eye on that one but your welcome to the darkside anytime my brother!:thumbsup:
Have a good one!
Forgive the snark, but I believe Hillary's problems stem from several root causes:
A) She didn't find Jesus at the bottom of a bag of coke
B) She hasn't mishandled damn near every responsibility ever placed in front of her, from an oil company down the tubes to hiding while a U.S. city was almost wiped off the face of the earth to getting US caught in the biggest Grecko Roman Cluster Fuck in recent memory.
C) God doesn't speak to her personally*
BBC - Press Office - George Bush on Elusive Peace
D) Even with interns on their knees, the Clinton's favor work over lazines. People don't like work, they like vacations. Thats why Shrub's constent vacations back to Texas helps fight Terror. By 2005, 20% of The Decider's presidency had been spent on Vacation. Vacationing Bush Poised to Set a Record I seem to remember this being a major problem in the lead up to 9/11
More to come...