I'm a 22 year old virgin

Yes you read that right, I'm 22 freaking years old and have never had sex or anything close; in fact I've never even had a girlfriend. (My hilarious new movie "The 22 Year Old Virgin" will be out sometime next year:rolleyes: )

I guess there are a few reasons, albeit not complete, that I can think of:

1. I've been in chronic pain since I was 16, hence no job and no money since I can't work. Though I'm going to apply for a job at the bank tomorrow since it's all sitting.
Not to mention it really limits me from going out anywhere before I'm all like "AH! My fucking spine hurts!" and hurt too much to walk.

2. I've always been self conscious about my body since I've had barely any muscle. But I've been working out pretty hardcore and feeling better about that now that I'm seeing results. Plus (you'll laugh at me for this) I have really hairy nipples, and barely anything else on my chest, and I don't think I've EVER been in a shirtless social situation (like a hottub) without somebody pointing it out and everybody joining in teasing me. I'll get that lazered whenever I can afford it, but it's made me SO self-conscious that I'll never go shirtless in public anymore.

and maybe the biggest one

3. I don't have a clue how to pick up girls. I don't know the pickup lines, I hate the thought of picking up strangers, and I always feel really nervous about letting someone know I'm interested in them for fear of rejection. I know I know "the worst they can say is no", but I always picture some horrified/disgusted reaction (logically, there's really no reason for this).


Personality wise I don't think there's too many problems. I'm relatively intelligent, I'd NEVER hit a girl, I'm always nice to people even when they're assholes to me (which usually results in us being cool again) because I know they're just dealing with some stuff of their own. I'm responsible, respectful, and definately have a future planned out.


So would anybody have any advice for me on getting out of this? keeping in mind I would want it to be someone I know and have it mean something, not pick up some random chick in a bar. I feel like such a weirdo, I must be the only person on earth who's never had sex at this age.

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Originally Posted by mrdevious

Yes you read that right, I'm 22 freaking years old and have never had sex or anything close; in fact I've never even had a girlfriend. (My hilarious new movie "The 22 Year Old Virgin" will be out sometime next year:rolleyes: )

I guess there are a few reasons, albeit not complete, that I can think of:

1. I've been in chronic pain since I was 16, hence no job and no money since I can't work. Though I'm going to apply for a job at the bank tomorrow since it's all sitting.
Not to mention it really limits me from going out anywhere before I'm all like "AH! My fucking spine hurts!" and hurt too much to walk.

2. I've always been self conscious about my body since I've had barely any muscle. But I've been working out pretty hardcore and feeling better about that now that I'm seeing results. Plus (you'll laugh at me for this) I have really hairy nipples, and barely anything else on my chest, and I don't think I've EVER been in a shirtless social situation (like a hottub) without somebody pointing it out and everybody joining in teasing me. I'll get that lazered whenever I can afford it, but it's made me SO self-conscious that I'll never go shirtless in public anymore.

and maybe the biggest one

3. I don't have a clue how to pick up girls. I don't know the pickup lines, I hate the thought of picking up strangers, and I always feel really nervous about letting someone know I'm interested in them for fear of rejection. I know I know "the worst they can say is no", but I always picture some horrified/disgusted reaction (logically, there's really no reason for this).


Personality wise I don't think there's too many problems. I'm relatively intelligent, I'd NEVER hit a girl, I'm always nice to people even when they're assholes to me (which usually results in us being cool again) because I know they're just dealing with some stuff of their own. I'm responsible, respectful, and definately have a future planned out.


So would anybody have any advice for me on getting out of this? keeping in mind I would want it to be someone I know and have it mean something, not pick up some random chick in a bar. I feel like such a weirdo, I must be the only person on earth who's never had sex at this age.

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You sound like a nice guy. I can see no reason why you would have trouble getting laid...apart from your hideous hairy nipple issue (JOKE :stoned: ) Honestly, if you want to meet a nice girl then don't bother with all the crappy corny chat up lines.

Just be up front and be yourself and if you get on then ask her to come out for a coffee or lunch or something. Don't even have to call it a date, just get friendly and if it's gonna lead somewhere then it most likely will...

The time will come when it is right. All you can do is be yourself and one girl will fall in love with that. I would just carry on with life and when you find that girl that you like, just ask her for coffee or a study date.

my fiancee and I met as total strangers;
my buddy's car broke and I was giving him a ride for a week or so, and well, another employee at his work, she was going in the same direction. wondered if it was possible to get a ride to..
well, we all talked for a bit in the car, connected a lil bit. when on a date a few days later.
another date. another date. etc. etc.
and I am where I am.

if that makes any sense

damn dude that sucks but to get what u want u simply have too stop worrying IT WILL GET U NOWHERE just calm down and u have to think all she can say is no dont doubt urself girls can tell shyness a mile away thinking negative will only scare u away from confrontation with them

Samwhore is very correct my friend.

Treat women as if its totally possible that you COULD have sex, and as if your totally NOT interested in them at all, at the same time. (basically speak confident)

That is, above all, the attitude that you should wake up with every morning... the mojo that you should incorporate into every day.

Im not saying change yourself, just your attitude...

If your as cool as you say you are, you should have no problem getting a nice girl to appreciate you, because you are one of few my friend. As for that attitude, that is what'll eventually get you laid.

Good luck bro :hippy:

Why wait to get the hair lazered off? Just wax it ... it will hurt like hell ... but if it's something that you are that self concious about it then it would be worth it.
And before you can get a girl you have to be secure with your self. So work on being more confident ... even practice flirting with girls with ones you don't care about.

let me delve into my self consciouseness for a bit so i can relate..

..when i was in about 5th grade i was the chubbiest kid around. not necessarilly the fattest, but one of the chubbiest. i looked like a little cherry ball.

so pretty much from there on, ive been self conscious as hell. it could be anything and itd worry me...if i had a zit, id hide my face all day. if i had a bad hair day, id wear a hood all day until i got home to get a haircut. i was crazy.

i think after you get so tired of being so scared, you get over it and just go for it. thats how it was for me. i was tired of being afraid of rejection and scrutiny, so i just said forget it and started acting like i was a god. i just told myself 'theres nothing wrong with you, youre just as good as the next man. why shouldnt you be? hes the next man too, hes a nobody too..' if that makes any sense.

youre just as good as the next in line..maybe you dont have the money or the looks, but that doesnt make you any worse than he.

^^^^^

This man has great advice.

Take it from me. You could have all the looks, you have all the money, you could have a nice car, but without the attitude, all that shit is moot.

Positive thoughts, and not unemotional disenfranchised thoughts are needed in your life.
do the following for 60 days.
Tell yourself a few things like the following before bed each night:
everday is a new day.
i experience great things everyday.
Everday, I try to talk and/or interact with my beautiful surroundings,
including the women I see.
Talking to women comes naturally, and they love me.

Every Morning say the following:
Everyday is different and exciting in its own way.
I intend to make the most of my day and feel the bliss in all the interactions I make.
Everyday I am grateful for the special women I see, and when I see them, I will ask them out.

it works!

I know its hard but dont be self conscious and just be yourself dont worry about it

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Just be up front and be yourself and if you get on then ask her to come out for a coffee or lunch or something. Don't even have to call it a date, just get friendly and if it's gonna lead somewhere then it most likely will...

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You're absolutely right man, I've always wanted to do it in a way something like that. Now if only that girl will come along...

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damn dude that sucks but to get what u want u simply have too stop worrying IT WILL GET U NOWHERE just calm down and u have to think all she can say is no dont doubt urself girls can tell shyness a mile away thinking negative will only scare u away from confrontation with them

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Yeah, I get what you mean. As I understand it, women seem to be attracted to confidence. I think I may be more frightend of the prospect of her knowing I'm basically a cripple. Would anybody really want to be with a cripple? I don't know, I hope so.

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Samwhore is very correct my friend.

Treat women as if its totally possible that you COULD have sex, and as if your totally NOT interested in them at all, at the same time. (basically speak confident)

That is, above all, the attitude that you should wake up with every morning... the mojo that you should incorporate into every day.

Im not saying change yourself, just your attitude...

If your as cool as you say you are, you should have no problem getting a nice girl to appreciate you, because you are one of few my friend. As for that attitude, that is what'll eventually get you laid.

Good luck bro

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Ah yes, the old confidence issue again. You're all right about that, I need to emote confidence. At least I'm a lot more confident after trying E a couple weeks ago. The experience was not my cup of tea actually, but once I socialized with total comfort I definately learned how to relax. I'm not cured or anything, but I can at least talk to people now whereas before I would hide in a corner and avoid socialization at all costs. That drug really should only be used as a tool, not a high, in my opinion.

Honestly though I wouldn't/couldn't "act" confident, only work to make myself such. My whole life I've refused to put on a face for anybody, and I'm sticking to that. I think I'll meditate on confidence, and see what I can find.

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Positive thoughts, and not unemotional disenfranchised thoughts are needed in your life.
do the following for 60 days.
Tell yourself a few things like the following before bed each night:
everday is a new day.
i experience great things everyday.
Everday, I try to talk and/or interact with my beautiful surroundings,
including the women I see.
Talking to women comes naturally, and they love me.

Every Morning say the following:
Everyday is different and exciting in its own way.
I intend to make the most of my day and feel the bliss in all the interactions I make.
Everyday I am grateful for the special women I see, and when I see them, I will ask them out.

it works!

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You may have something there. I've actually managed to get myself out of pain by telling myself that I'm havin an endorphine rush over and over and over.... and it seems to happen, or at least my brain thinks it is. The mind is a remarkably powerful thing. I think I'll meditate on this as well, and reafirm certain messages like the one you mentioned. Thanks man.

And thanks everyone.

meet someone on line?

Dont worry about your age. Im 24 and still virgin. In my case its by my own choice, i only want have sex with a woman i want to spend all my life togheter. My ex-gf was one of those woman... but she left me before we did sex... :(
Anyways, my advice is much the same of the above ones. Last time i make out with a girl (and almost fucked her), we didnt knew each other, she was visiting my city and sleeping in my grandpa's house. So we talked a lot, and i noticed she was interested in me. As i wasnt interested in her, i could act very normally, completly cool, cause i didnt expected nothing to happen, so i had not why become anxious. But, as i kept noticing she seemed to really be interested, i started to act warmer and warmer towards her (easy when the mind is cool), and then we make out, then went to my granpa's home and i could have fucked her if i wished. She was really willing. I know many people will call me fool but i dont care. For me sex is more than just grinding and banging.
So, the important is to keep your head cool. Try to talk with a girl you dont find very attractive, so you can train your talking/flirting skills without anxiety. Doing it will improve also your self-confidence, and it helps a lot.
And good luck! It always helps! :thumbsup:

Dont start off by looking for a GF look for a freind and let the relationship build. She's get to understand your situation more and you'll feel more comfortable around her. Just take it slow and steady, thats what wins the race.

this thread made me laugh but i would probably be in your position if I didn't get lucky. :jointsmile: But like they said just don't think about it, it will happen just a matter of when. thats how i think about it anyway. Don't worry about it that much. There's a good line in the movie hostel that relates to "pussy" as in women but i can't quite remember it. sorry, just a high ramble

It's all about confidence. If I had the confidence in high school that I do now, I would have asked out every girl I saw.

^^ yeah, im a nice guy too and some girls love that, but most, not so much. If you want a real relationship, be yourself, if you want some poon, be as cocky as u can be and youll atract the girls....and mayb shave ur nips? oh and never ask a girl if shes ok or if somethings wrong. like u can ask that but not repeatedly over and over, that seems to turn them right the fuck off.

I dont know how open you are to this idea but you could always try an online dating site. A lot of people dont like them, but you can meet some nice girls that way. My brother is a nice guy with a good job but he just didnt have the confidence to pick up girls. He has a really nice girlfriend now and he met her off one of those sites. Even if you don't find the girl of your dreams this way, you could get the experience and confidence needed to ask out someone you may already know and be attracted to. Good luck.

doN,t want to hurt you but it's normal not to have any girlfriend when you don,t go outside a lot or have a normal activity like school or job... that's key, because after you have made you friends, you meet their friends and friends of their friends and blablabla... and there's always a girls for you in ths bunch of peps ;p

You need to acquire that 'fuck it' mentallity. If she turns you down, fuck it, who cares. If she says yes, fuck it. If life throws you a curveball and gives you hairy nipples, fuck it, you could have downsyndrome that'd be worse. I got laid a couple times when I was 16 from this chick who was friends with my buddys sister, and after that I didn't get laid again until I was 18 and that was with some chick I met at the bar. I get laid from time to time now, especially now that a girl who's been a friend of mine forever has begun to fool around with me, but I have never had a girlfriend, I don't think I have asked a girl out since I was 17. I am short 5'6, I am pretty built physically, but not toned. I am your average short built like a rock italian goombah. But I got rejected by the first four girls I ever liked enough to ask out and that has ruined me ever since. Sure sex is nice, but it comes in spurts, no meaningful relationship behind it, no love. It makes you feel hollow when you don't have someone to connect with. What sucks even more is when everyone your best friends with has a girl and when you all go out your the loser trying to pick up chicks. That is why I acquired the 'fuck it' attitude.

go meet someone you like not because of what they are but because how you like them doesnt matter what anyone else has to opinion. be yourself dont be kind or smart around her be stupid and weird. im stupid and weird and i make jokes every 3 seconds but i make people laugh but i do have a bad joke once in a while.. she should know you by the way you are and love that person if she doesnt then find another girl that will. its no problem the time will come..
nervous? yea we all get that.. i have this thing that when a girl touches my belly or a little lower i get goosebumps.. not dick but surrounding areas.. i dono i try to get over it everyone has something..

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go meet someone you like not because of what they are but because how you like them doesnt matter what anyone else has to opinion. be yourself dont be kind or smart around her be stupid and weird. im stupid and weird and i make jokes every 3 seconds but i make people laugh but i do have a bad joke once in a while.. she should know you by the way you are and love that person if she doesnt then find another girl that will. its no problem the time will come..
nervous? yea we all get that.. i have this thing that when a girl touches my belly or a little lower i get goosebumps.. not dick but surrounding areas.. i dono i try to get over it everyone has something..

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That's cool man, I actually have a pretty good sense of humor too. I can tell a joke off the fly based on the current situation and have everybody in stitches.

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Why wait to get the hair lazered off? Just wax it

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Great idea man, I'm gonna try that actually.

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You need to acquire that 'fuck it' mentallity.

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Right you are! I got some medication for just that.

lol at telling yourself you have an endorphin rush!

PERCEPTION is the most important thing in the physical world,
Get your mind thinking your a ladies man!

i'm 19 turning 20 soon and am in the same shoes. after about age 17 i started becoming really nervous and shy around everyone. i blame a bad xanax addiction for fucking up the chemicals in my brain but whateva...the damage is done. i see at least 1 cute girl every day when classes are in session but i still haven't talked to one. i try, but it's like my brain and mouth freeze up. i somehow forget to breath in the middle of all this and i'm pretty sure i look retarded as hell or something when i do that. this thread has a lot of great advice but it's nothing i haven't heard or read before. i dunno, i guess some of us are just hopeless. i know i'm a pretty good lookin guy but i lack confidence so badly. blah this is just bummin me out typing this.

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Originally Posted by reprisler

i'm 19 turning 20 soon and am in the same shoes. after about age 17 i started becoming really nervous and shy around everyone. i blame a bad xanax addiction for fucking up the chemicals in my brain but whateva...the damage is done. i see at least 1 cute girl every day when classes are in session but i still haven't talked to one. i try, but it's like my brain and mouth freeze up. i somehow forget to breath in the middle of all this and i'm pretty sure i look retarded as hell or something when i do that. this thread has a lot of great advice but it's nothing i haven't heard or read before. i dunno, i guess some of us are just hopeless. i know i'm a pretty good lookin guy but i lack confidence so badly. blah this is just bummin me out typing this.

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Hey man I'm kinda in the same shoes (I'm shy around women) I think that some people are outgoing enough to transfer there confidence to everyday things like picking up women. Hey I know what boat I'm in and so do you just let shit fall together but don't let time pass you buy. Peace and Good luck.

as far as picking up girls, go ahead and throw yourself into uncomfortable situations its not healthy to avoid them. Afterwords you always feel better, even if turned down. your stronger cause u tried.

Go to the bar drinka couple beers for that back than mack on some ladies. youd be suprised on how many are down to get freaky

You can read all the adivce you like but it wont get you any where. Get yourself in some situation where youre around girls on a daily basis, persay a job. The concept of working game is stupid, just interact with them.

Dont procrastinate on it and tell yourself it just isnt the right moment to approach a girl and find reasons to justify it. The grim truth is you aint getting any prettier and the longer you go without interacting with girls the more alien theyll seem to you. Dont wait for fate, do it

My advice: apple pie.





But seriously, the only thing I can think of (and thats kept me not so self conscious about myself... not that Im dirty or anything like that, I clean my teeth twice daily, wash my face twice a day, use some nice aftershaves now and then) is that a girl will always like you for their personality. If they dont like my body, then they can fuck off, cos theres gonna be a girl somewhere that will like YOU, for YOU.

Edit - use chatrooms to practice talking to girls, that way only your personality comes out and you can swap pictures after youve built a friendship up :)

You say you are going to work in a bank? There will most likely be lotsa girls there. Scope out the tellers the first few days, maybe someone will catch your eye. Try to be in the break room at the same time as her.

Are you funny? Us girls love a guy who is funny. You are bound to get more interaction w the ladies now that you'll be working.

Good Luck! It will happen, just gotta get yourself out there where you interact w girls on a regular basis and that will improve your girl skills and your chances of finding just the right one

i'm a 17 year old virgin.

I don't really have a problem with girls, I can talk to most of them with confidence, and I have had a girlfriend before. I don't think i'm that sexually desirable, but as said before, its all about confidence.

My nipples are hairier than Cousin It (see picture), but I just take a razor and shave it. Shave away from the nipple and be careful. In fact, I am hairy all over naturally but you would never be able to tell now. I am only 18 so I don't have the crazy chest hair (genes mostly, dad doesn't have chest hair), but I started growing pubic hair in 2nd grade, so I got a head start on most kids (by 4 years?).

Just buy a beard trimmer ($20 for a kit with different attachments) and trim EVERYTHING... I trim up once a week and it usually takes about 10 minutes total. Just lay down a towel, plug the beard trimmer in, put on the blade-height-guard-attachment-thing (I use the #2 attachment thing for most everywhere, might differ between brands), and make sure you get everything. I trim EVERYTHING, and I suggest all guys should too. My legs, too hairy naturally, trim those. My arms, well I have blond arm hair and it isn't over-abundant so I don't trim that.


I am planning on being a virgin until I fall in love, that could take a while but I don't mind. I think it is a bit like smoking pot, when you have never done it, you are curious but still skeptical, but once you have smoked, you know how great it is and you have a greater want to smoke again, more than before your first time.

Check out this Askmen.com link about body hair and your options.

So that is my 2 cents.

I'm also in the same shoes as you but I choose not to have sex due to my religion. Well, not really my religion but my relationship with god. I'm almost 21 but I'm just as normal as any other guy in this world and have been offered sex a couple of times but these girls mean nothing to me in that sense and I respect them all deeply, the same way I respect everyone I meet and everyone in the world. Maybe I recpest people alittle to much. But I'm not perfect, I get jealous of my friends when they tell me their sex stories. And sometimes, I just want to have sex with every girl I see LOL. But I have control of myself. But I'm still no better then everyone else in this world. The funny thing about it is that the girls that do open up them selves to me with sex have heard my little story about why I'm a virgin. the same stroy I'm tell you'll. For some reason, it make them more attacted to me, lus they say I'm handsom. The attention I get is very odd to me ut I use it in a respectable way. I just ant that girl that I will love forever because I believe love is the most important thing in life and I believe you guys and gals believe the same. Mr.D, things will change for you, but you have to change some of the things you do in your life for them to change. Maybe you are scared of someone else touching your body. Go get a massage or something, that will help you with others touching your body. Ten make more friends, just like one of the others said, a friend of a friend will be the girl that might get you want you want. The truth is, Life is short, the only one that can make a big impact in it is you. The choices you make now leads to a different future. Good Luck on your choice bro :thumbsup: ...

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I'm also in the same shoes as you but I choose not to have sex due to my religion. Well, not really my religion but my relationship with god. I'm almost 21 but I'm just as normal as any other guy in this world and have been offered sex a couple of times but these girls mean nothing to me in that sense and I respect them all deeply, the same way I respect everyone I meet and everyone in the world. Maybe I recpest people alittle to much. But I'm not perfect, I get jealous of my friends when they tell me their sex stories. And sometimes, I just want to have sex with every girl I see LOL. But I have control of myself. But I'm still no better then everyone else in this world. The funny thing about it is that the girls that do open up them selves to me with sex have heard my little story about why I'm a virgin. the same stroy I'm tell you'll. For some reason, it make them more attacted to me, lus they say I'm handsom. The attention I get is very odd to me ut I use it in a respectable way. I just ant that girl that I will love forever because I believe love is the most important thing in life and I believe you guys and gals believe the same. Mr.D, things will change for you, but you have to change some of the things you do in your life for them to change. Maybe you are scared of someone else touching your body. Go get a massage or something, that will help you with others touching your body. Ten make more friends, just like one of the others said, a friend of a friend will be the girl that might get you want you want. The truth is, Life is short, the only one that can make a big impact in it is you. The choices you make now leads to a different future. Good Luck on your choice bro :thumbsup: ...

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Actually, I've gone to a massage therapist a thousand times because of my back and neck pain. I also take massages from my friends whenever I can get them, because frankly I'll take ANYTHING that can make the pain stop, or even reduce it. So in that sense I managed to get used to it.

Still though, your advice is overal pretty good. Thanks man.

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My nipples are hairier than Cousin It (see picture), but I just take a razor and shave it. Shave away from the nipple and be careful. In fact, I am hairy all over naturally but you would never be able to tell now. I am only 18 so I don't have the crazy chest hair (genes mostly, dad doesn't have chest hair), but I started growing pubic hair in 2nd grade, so I got a head start on most kids (by 4 years?).

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lol, I don't know how you do it man, but I tried and tried to shave them and it left this obvious stubble that I couldn't get rid of no matter how much I went over it.

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You say you are going to work in a bank? There will most likely be lotsa girls there. Scope out the tellers the first few days, maybe someone will catch your eye. Try to be in the break room at the same time as her.

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Actually I have noticed that the tellers there are all female, and there's some VERY attractive ones about my age. So I'm applying tomorrow anyway, woot!:)

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Are you funny? Us girls love a guy who is funny. You are bound to get more interaction w the ladies now that you'll be working.

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Yep, my whole group of friends pretty much thinks I have the wittiest sense of humor. At least I have that going for me. :jointsmile:

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Good Luck! It will happen, just gotta get yourself out there where you interact w girls on a regular basis and that will improve your girl skills and your chances of finding just the right one

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Thanks :)

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as far as picking up girls, go ahead and throw yourself into uncomfortable situations its not healthy to avoid them. Afterwords you always feel better, even if turned down. your stronger cause u tried.

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That's some 100% truth right there pureevil. I've only recently learned to stop avoiding social situations, now it's time to push it to intimate situations too. I'll keep your advice in mind, thank you.

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Originally Posted by bucknuts1870

You need to acquire that 'fuck it' mentallity. If she turns you down, fuck it, who cares. If she says yes, fuck it. If life throws you a curveball and gives you hairy nipples, fuck it, you could have downsyndrome that'd be worse. I got laid a couple times when I was 16 from this chick who was friends with my buddys sister, and after that I didn't get laid again until I was 18 and that was with some chick I met at the bar. I get laid from time to time now, especially now that a girl who's been a friend of mine forever has begun to fool around with me, but I have never had a girlfriend, I don't think I have asked a girl out since I was 17. I am short 5'6, I am pretty built physically, but not toned. I am your average short built like a rock italian goombah. But I got rejected by the first four girls I ever liked enough to ask out and that has ruined me ever since. Sure sex is nice, but it comes in spurts, no meaningful relationship behind it, no love. It makes you feel hollow when you don't have someone to connect with. What sucks even more is when everyone your best friends with has a girl and when you all go out your the loser trying to pick up chicks. That is why I acquired the 'fuck it' attitude.

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very well put. In the grand scheme of things, sex really isn't that important.

yeah you can go with all these tricks and hobbies that attract girls. but personality really is the key. i have bad teeth, yet i have an amazing girlfriend. personality can make up for anything.

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yeah you can go with all these tricks and hobbies that attract girls. but personality really is the key. i have bad teeth, yet i have an amazing girlfriend. personality can make up for anything.

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Well dude bad teeth are understandable when you're like 900 years old! And where were you May 4th, international Star Wars day? ("May the 4th" be with you). Crushing empires I hope!

Where have you been Blaqlight, have a current grow going? I do and I am venturing into clong and keeping a mother plant to pull some clones off of her. I had bought some White Widow and Big Bud seeds from Gypsy and all I recieved was a empty envelope. So my seeds were taken. What a bummer. I have 2 females right now 1 Bubble/1 papaya and 2 unknown mids growing.

There's nothing wrong with being a virgin bro, no shame at all. It doesn't make you less of a man, so who cares.