Afghanistan/Iraq the same war

Four years ago the U.S. and Britain unleashed war on Iraq, a nearly defenseless Third World country barely half the size of Saskatchewan.

For twelve years prior to the invasion and occupation Iraq had endured almost weekly U.S. and British bombing raids and the toughest sanctions in history, the "primary victims" of which, according to the UN Secretary General, were "women and children, the poor and the infirm." According to UNICEF, half a million children died from sanctions related starvation and disease.

Then, in March 2003, the U.S. and Britain --possessors of more weapons of mass destruction than the rest of the world combined --attacked Iraq on a host of fraudulent pretexts, with cruise missiles, napalm, white phosphorous, cluster and bunker buster bombs and depleted uranium (DU) munitions.

The British Medical Journal The Lancet published a study last year estimating Iraqi war deaths since 2003 at 655,000, a mind-boggling figure dismissed all-too readily by the British and American governments despite widespread scientific approval for its methodology (including the British government's own chief scientific adviser).
On April 11, 2007, the Red Cross issued a report entitled "Civilians without Protection: the ever-worsening humanitarian crisis in Iraq." Citing "immense suffering," it calls "urgently" for " respect for international humanitarian law." Andrew White, Anglican Vicar of Baghdad added, "What we see on our television screens does not demonstrate even one per cent of the reality of the atrocity of Iraq"

The UN estimates two million Iraqis have been "internally displaced," while another two million have fled --largely to neighbouring Syria and Jordan, overwhelming local infrastructure.

An attack such as that on Iraq, neither in self-defence nor authorized by the United Nations Security Council is, in the words of the Nuremberg Tribunal that condemned the Nazis, "the supreme international crime." According to the Tribunal's chief prosecutor, US Supreme Court Justice Robert Jackson, such a war is simply mass murder.

Most Canadians are proud that Canada refused to invade Iraq. But when it comes to Afghanistan, we hear the same jingoistic bluster we heard about Iraq four years ago. As if Iraq and Afghanistan were two separate wars, and Afghanistan is the good war, the legal and just war.

In reality, Iraq and Afghanistan are the same war.

That's how the Bush administration has seen Afghanistan from the start; not as a defensive response to 9/11, but the opening for regime change in Iraq (as documented in Richard A. Clarke's Against all Enemies).That's why the Security Council resolutions of September 2001 never mention Afghanistan, much less authorize an attack on it. That's why the attack on Afghanistan was also a supreme international crime, which killed at least 20,000 innocent civilians in its first six months. The Bush administration used 9/11 as a pretext to launch an open-ended so-called "War on Terror" --in reality a war of terror because it kills hundreds of times more civilians than the other terrorists do.

That the Karzai regime was subsequently set up under UN auspices doesn't absolve the participants in America's war, and that includes Canada. Nor should the fact that Canada now operates under the UN authorized International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) mislead anyone. From the start, ISAF put itself at the service of the American operation, declaring "the United States Central Command will have authority over the International Security Assistance Force" (UNSC Document S/2001/1217). When NATO took charge of ISAF that didn't change anything. NATO forces are always ultimately under US command. The "Supreme Commander" is always an American general, who answers to the American president, not the Afghan one.
Canadian troops in Afghanistan not only take orders from the Americans, they help free up more American forces to continue their bloody occupation of Iraq.

When the U.S. devastated Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia (1961-1975), leaving behind six million dead or maimed, Canada refused to participate. But today Canada has become part of a U.S. war being waged not only in Iraq and Afghanistan, but also in a network of disclosed and undisclosed centres of physical and mental torture, like Guantanamo Bay in --let's not forget --illegally occupied Cuban territory. And what we know about what the U.S. government calls terrorism is that it is largely a response to foreign occupation, and what we know about American occupation is that it is a way the rich world forces the rest to surrender their resources.

General Rick Hillier bragged that Canada was going to root out the "scumbags" in Afghanistan. He didn't mention that the Soviets, using over 600,000 troops and billions in aid over ten years, were unable to control Afghanistan. Britain, at the height of its imperial power, tried twice and failed. Now, Canada is helping another fading empire attempt to impose its will on Afghanistan.

Canadians have traditionally been able to hold their heads high when they travel the world. We did not achieve that reputation by waging war against the world's poor; in large part we achieved it by refusing to do so.

Canada must --immediately, and at the minimum --open its doors to Iraqis and Afghanis attempting to flee the horror being inflicted on their homelands. We must stop pretending that we're not implicated in their suffering under the bombs, death squads and torture. This means refusing to lend our name, our strength and the blood of our youth in this war without end against the Third World.

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Originally Posted by fishman3811

Canada must --immediately, and at the minimum --open its doors to Iraqis and Afghanis attempting to flee the horror being inflicted on their homelands. We must stop pretending that we're not implicated in their suffering under the bombs, death squads and torture. This means refusing to lend our name, our strength and the blood of our youth in this war without end against the Third World.

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LMAO! You have at it but make sure your mounties have that border guarded.......we don't need a Canadian fuck up to flow down like a cold front.

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P4B the way weve been treating these people we should do all we can to help them.

We are:
Training troops.
Rebuilding infrustuctures that have been neglected for years.
Ridding these people of Saddam and sons and the Taliban.

But how do the people of Iraq view democracy? See the chart below.

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Rebuilding the infrustruction that you guys bombed for years before the war and now during the war.They still dont have many of the basics that you need to live after 5 years of American rule.If thats the way America helps people please dont help.They were better off with Saddam many Iraqis are saying.

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Rebuilding the infrustruction that you guys bombed for years before the war and now during the war.They still dont have many of the basics that you need to live after 5 years of American rule.If thats the way America helps people please dont help.They were better off with Saddam many Iraqis are saying.

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ONLY the Sunni's are saying that. The electrical grid, sewer and water are now being equally divided instead being just for the Sunni.

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LOL they only get electricity 3-4 hours a day if they are lucky.Their is shortages of fuel in an oil rich nation.Their is shortages of clean water throughout the country.

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LOL they only get electricity 3-4 hours a day if they are lucky.Their is shortages of fuel in an oil rich nation.Their is shortages of clean water throughout the country.

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One brick at a time.......nothing happens overnight especially in a war zone.

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Well nothing is ever going to get done because as long as U.S troops are their it will be a war zone.Get out now or later the only differance will be U.S casulties that will just keep rising.

I see the English getting blamed for the Iraq war just as bad as the Americans. Well, technically my country didn't wage war on Iraq, Scotland did. The majority of Blair's party members and MP's are Scottish, and so are the party's supporters. Even Blair himself is a Scotsman of Irish heritage. This is a war which finally us English are not to blame for.

If it weren't for the oil, we wouldn't be near Iraq. What ever happened to those inventors that had the formula to use a pill that you put in your fuel tank full of water and turned it into a useable hydrogen fuel. I saw one recently come on our locaL news station and get everyone excited. He was supposed to be back on the 6 o'clock news the next day to describe how it worked and how you could get one. I tuned in at 5 o'clock and watched for hours, but no mention of it was ever heard from again. I also saw a newsreel from the thirties with pretty much the same scenario. Do you think the oil companies had anything to do with the disappearance of this bit of simple technology. They've gone out of their way to invent the Hydrogen fuel cell that requirers tons of energy to convert the Hydrogen so you'd have to buy it from them anyway. Can you imagine the horrer of the oil company execs watching that news show. They must have rushed down there and captured that guy and renditioned him to Gitmo so fast it'd make your head spin. Maybe this should be in the conspiracy section, but I know what I saw. Hydrogen is very volitile, remember the Hindenburg. Seems like a simple chemical reaction that would separate the oxygen from the hydrogen could be possible, what a perfect scenario. The hydrogen for the fuel and the oxygen to enhance combustion, water as the only polutant. Geeze It all sounds so simple, just don't let the oil companies find out.

MED i know you dont smoke so its believable.Sounds like somebody shut this guy down.Med have you heard of the french car company called MDA {i think thats the name}anyway this guy builds cars that run on air,he uses compressed air and on a full tank you get 200 miles and you just fill up at home with an air compresser.Top speed is around 110-120 miles an hour medium sized cars.Their is a website around or just google air run cars you should be able to find it.They have been around for a few years now and the price of a car is around 10 000 euroes depending on the model.