it seems to me that there is a lot of anger, and misunderstanding that goes on here, God does not force Him self on any one, He gave you the freedom
to belive are not belive. And the light came into the world, and this light was
the life of men..
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it seems to me that there is a lot of anger, and misunderstanding that goes on here, God does not force Him self on any one, He gave you the freedom
to belive are not belive. And the light came into the world, and this light was
the life of men..
I don't hate God because I don't believe in him, I hate the idea of a God.
Lol....ever think as a living creature you have the right to do whatever the fuck you want....and that it wasn't GIVEN to you?
why would you hate the idea of God?Quote:
Originally Posted by Samwhore
who gave you that right as a living creature?Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt the Funk
Um, I'm not going to go into that.Quote:
Originally Posted by jdmarcus59
i think this is an interesting question; perhaps one would hate the idea of god because one doesn't want to feel responsible to some "higher" power or believe that your life was made by someone else. it entitles a sense of responsibility and obedience maybe. i could understand that.
Someone can not hate God, and not believe in him. But if there is a god, based on what I see around me, I don't like him very much. But like Samwhore said, many hate the idea of God, or organized religion, but you can't hate what you don't belive even exists.
I on the other hand am agnostic, I simply don't feel I have enough info to support either belief. I'm basically keeping my options open until I get furthur proof one way or the other.
I can still dislike him, it what ever you have it. There are many things to dislike of him. It is actually much harder to reason out the devil, hence to the non-believer, everything good and bad is the result of God (if he does exist). Religion only credits God with the pleasent things and what is found in the Old Testement. I credit him with what the devil is credited for.
I have trouble grasping the idea of God as percieved through Christianity. This only because after studying it's effects, particularly among western civilization, I can tell you that some of the most fucked-up things happened in the name of religion. Some of the most atrocious, unimaginable things that one human being can do to another were done to appease the Christian God.
So I believe that many people who are athiest don't 'hate god', they simply hate the idea of a God who finds utility in suffering amongst innocent people.
YOU give yourself that right, if you are smart or ignorant enough. The ability to think gives everyone freedom.Quote:
Originally Posted by jdmarcus59
Thats a very good question, jdmarcus59... and for me, it seems people which hates god are the ones which need Him more, the ones who feels ignored by Him, and dont want to admit it even to themselves, so they hate Him, and says they dont believe Him.
But, as you asked, how can anybody hate a thing they think does not exist?
Here's what I'd say...
I hate god for being such an insufferable prick all the time.
I hate god for being an ace in the hole for all the religious crazies out there who think it's a great idea to have 8 kids and get them all an SUV.
I hate god for giving doctrine to his followers that allows them to not only target and exterminate people of other creeds, colors or backgrounds, but to feel morally superiour while doing so.
I hate god for trying to make all the nuts think that life will be so much better after they're dead.
I hate god for making this earth a pale shadow of the garden, just so everyone feels ok about destroying it.
I hate god for promising us an endtime, because all of a sudden current events such as war, hunger and pollution seem much less pressing.
And lastly, I hate god for making the platypus for nothing more than his own sick amusement.
All the above and more. That's why I'd hate god if I thought he even existed. As such, I think it's the just mindset that blows...
I dont believe in this god you talks about either. The God i follow is very different of that you described. And i sincerely pity the people that believes in that god you mention, and think they're right doing so...Quote:
Originally Posted by Polymirize
Wait! I thought God was a woman.Quote:
Originally Posted by jdmarcus59
WTF?
no your wrong some of the most fucked up things happen because of man,Quote:
Originally Posted by Just1n
cause if you think that man is the answer, well then I think the qustion must
be wrong, for man has been in charge now for to long, and just look around
were killing everyone..
were did you come from that you would have these rights, how did youQuote:
Originally Posted by Matt the Funk
gain this ability to think?
As an alternative you want a mythical being to take charge. In that case, I vote for Father Christmas.:thumbsup: He'll be much more fun than the fucked up psycho god that the bible and the koran talk about.Quote:
Originally Posted by jdmarcus59
my freind cant you see that you are not hating God, your hating manQuote:
Originally Posted by Polymirize
its man who does this uglyness, not God..free will
You just have it. Everything can think. Just a lot of things think differently, and most rely on instinct. It's called evolution dude. Maybe God gave YOU the right to think, but I was born with it. NO ONE GAVE IT to me. As a living creature I have the ability to think, because thats jsut how shit works, I don't know why, and never will. No one understands exactly what happens when we think. Anyways your arguement basically is trying to say there is God because I exist......And no I don't hate "God" I hate mass populas conformity.Quote:
Originally Posted by jdmarcus59
because if he is real he must be either one hell of a wanker or one hell of ajoker, my guess is he's both.
the problem many people like myself has with GOD is that if one believes in God or a certain set of beliefs there in no room for ideas outside of that religious belief system... God and religion represents absolutes. Nothing is grey everything is black and white. This world is not black and white. I think more people have a problem with religion not really God.
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Originally Posted by Polymirize
You misunderstand...You don't hate God my friend, you hate people who use Him to justify their misdeeds. The amount of bloodeshed and suffering meted out in the name of God throughout human existence would probably make Him sick. I have a feeling he is sorely disappointed at our performance...
your faith is greater then mine, if you belive in evolution, your saying that something came from nothing, that is great faith. but deep down in side IQuote:
Originally Posted by Matt the Funk
think you are smarter then that.
There is actually some proof of evolution....I haven't seen too much proof of "god".....Now it depends on what you refer to as "god". You see, I have faith in a "god" but not in the basic way that most people do. What I have "faith" in is life. I know what my sense's tell me. I know what is real to me. I can question shit and go crazy,accept that I will never know, or believe in "god".....I choose the second....Quote:
Originally Posted by jdmarcus59
I think that your right people do have a promblem with religioun, I do to.Quote:
Originally Posted by LaidZeppelin
religioun is mans way of reaching towards god, trying to be good enough
to work your way into heaven or wherever, but christ did away with all
that, God is on your side, even if you dont belive, He does not want to
hit you over the head, He wants only to bless your life...
Oh my god. You guys are right, I am just talking about man. Freewill, what a beautiful concept.
So, wait, here's where I get confused, if it's all my choice to make, and I alone am responsible for the consequences of my own actions, where does god fit in? Isn't belief in god completely extraneous? Like an appendix, something that we've totally evolved beyond now?
Or will believing in God grant me some special power? Can I call down lightning on the unbelievers or unleash plagues?
You're saying that a belief in god yields precisely the same outlook as an atheistic humanitarian ethos, when properly applied... So why bother?
As I said in my other thread...I don't know if there is a god. If there is Great!...if not..then great too. I am just going to live and be with that. Whatever happens, happens. I am not a bad person and if god is so great, then he will forgive me for what I have done. If not, then I dont want him to be my god. Did that make sense? I just got dont smoking a fattie:rasta: . LOL
if I could prove to you that God is real, would you belive and follow Him?Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt the Funk
are would you still go your own way, and belive what you want?
Are you familiar with the term... 'Jehovah's Witness'?Quote:
Originally Posted by jdmarcus59
I know there faith very well, they have promblems with there faith, I haveQuote:
Originally Posted by Beano
spoken with many of them..
Religions are mans way of explaining the un-explainable. "Gods" are the mommy's of the human race, when we stub our toe in life we turn to the only imaginable 'shoulder' to cry on that wont tell us to "suck it up". A god.Quote:
Originally Posted by jdmarcus59
I have no beef with people of faith, its the people who take it so literal, and are sooo narrow-minded that they are ignorant to other peoples ideas and ways of thinking that irritate me.
Imo a religion is a guideline to living your life. Try taking the best from all religions and you'll live a peaceful, meaningful life.
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If you gave me some actual proof, and my ability to understand logic and personality agreed it was true, yeah sure I would. Evolution makes a lot of sense....God doesn't. You have to stop talking about religion dude....just live life.Quote:
Originally Posted by jdmarcus59
Iam not talking about my religion, Iwas just asking a qustion, and see howQuote:
Originally Posted by Matt the Funk
angery you got. case in point.
Only you took that as anger.
:)
As an agnostic I wish i could believe there was a God since i cannot disPROVE either I cannot reject either. To me this is rational thinking. The problem is that all over the world people believe in different Gods, and all of these ideas contradict one another. If you were born in India, you might worship a cow, not because that is rational but because you were raised around that particular brand of thinking. Since most of us are results of english speaking protestantism many of us see the Jesus senario as a much more viable scenario. The problem is NO ONE knows shit about what or who God is. Not you, not me, not even the men who wrote the bible. The scriptures may have been inspired by god but were deffinatly edited by man. This creates a problem since according to the bible man is as stupid as a sheep( one of the dumbest creatures in existance) so are we to follow the biblical scriptures that were written by flawed man, should we follow our flawed religious leaders. No, find out what God is on your own...if you believe he created all of nature, look there...but dont accept the words of man as evidence. Use the rationality that god may or may not have given all of us.
No I think my friend got a little, anger..with love iam sure..Quote:
Originally Posted by Beano
You make a great point, Polymirize.Quote:
Originally Posted by Polymirize
I don't think it's God that has become extraneous, but rather the belief in a God who's will is separate from our own. I don't think that God is some overlord who is waiting to punish us if we should deviate from his intentions -- how can anything oppose an omnipotent being's will in the first place? Rather, I think it makes more sense to consider that God's will IS free will, and that in such a manner we ourselves are God.
The word 'sin', according to its Greek roots, means 'to miss the mark'. And I think it makes a lot more sense that a sin is just an action that falls short of or contradicts our own will and intentions, whether they be personal or collective intentions, rather than being a digression from some external god's.
Lol. I wasn't angry one bit. Making a statement broooooo...Anyways this whole God thing is overly talked about and there is no way to prove him(or else i'm sure everyone would believe in him). Everyone just needs to stop beating this dead horse!:beatdeadhorse:Quote:
Originally Posted by jdmarcus59
but the horse arose 3 days latter, ha ha just having fun with you man.Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt the Funk
love and peace I leave with you..
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