War on drugs, what's holding us back at this point, why aren't we going forward?

"Not all the dealers, growers, and smokers, are in jail for the wrong reasons. Yes some are but the people providing children and teenages have no respect of mine. I find out a kid under 17 gets some of my weed People know I'm cutting off. Weed for profit and greed should put people in prison, these are the people who taint our cause and give people against weed a stereotype and ammunition."

I just wrote up this post but felt like I was going on a rant and it wasn't fair to the original poster because his idea was just. So now a just feel like going with it.

We fight a noble cause and the same fight. Sister nations influence eachother in a revolving rat race.
We stand to legalize the choice to use a natural herb to improve our quality of life, one which we can grow, refine, and administer on our own, creating self sufficiency. I believe it is a fight that we have already won, the gov't is just taking their sweet time and milking this for as long as they can.

I can't help but see ourselves as our own enemy at this point though. Hear me out. Yes a large portion of the population is at the very least ok with the legalization of marijuana. What we really need though is for everyone to be on board because as little democracy is left in our gov't system is infact powerful when a whole 2 nations unite.
So we need to make people OK with ranking marjuana alongside alcohol. We don't even need that much just for people to say "I don't care" because if they don't care they aren't against it, so when asked if for or against the more likely answer is for, due to lack of choice.
So if we have supporters, and people who just don't care making up the majority of our side, so who does that leave? The people against us of course. Now we're going somewhere.

In order to start to figure out how to sway these people, we need to know why the pulic is against our cause.

We often compare the legalization of marijuana to alcohol, yet argue that alcohol has more negitive affects than MJ. Much like alcohol marijuana can be abused, but because it is an illegal substance there is a black market for it which many people are tapped into on different degrees and levels, and for different reasons. Along with this black market comes the exploitation and abuse which fuels the opposition on the public front.
We all know that money drives the gov't and they want to run and profit from this whole new resource to suck dollars from our pockets. But they won't say that to the people of course. For the public the create alternate reasoning often linked directly to what is most effective, covers enough of the poulation, and is durable enough so they aren't found out on a large enough scale to create upset.
The people who are going along with the gov't do so because they have seen the abuse and to them abuse of the drug is the face of the drug that they see and associate with it.

Now I come out and say I am in on th war against drugs, and here's why.

-Because drugs are mass produced, sold, and abused for a profit. Man is it starting young now too. 8-9 year olds are smoking pot! You see they hook them young, not to mention they rip them off, and build a fantasy life of crime. The habit starts there and then it is exploited and feed, 'till a child is conditioned to consume what is available to be pushed so money can be made. The sad part is that the origin behind this want for money is a poverty striken person trying to make money(which ultimately feeds poverty), or greedy people living above the basic needs to survive, just to live in lavish.

Don't get me wrong, my garden pays for itself and helps with the bills. I make money, but I turn down money too, good money, because I don't deal drugs, I provide responsible people much like myself with a medicinal herb to improve their quality of life through it's use. People who are otherwise ripped off and have a need while being an active part of fuctioning society.

-It is sold to kids and out of control in schools. When a young child uses marijuana it's not about the high, it's about everything else, the excitement, the suspense, the sneaking around, the adrenaline. After a while it forms a habit leaving chemicle signatures in their brains, and later become a routine, then just the way it always has been some days. They start smoking it and just keep smoking it. Children have so much with school these days and there are so many resources if only parents would help make the connection. Children have no need for recreational drugs of any type, all the way to 16. Kids are only kids once and only get one chance at childhood. Kids want to grow up so fast as it is why feed that?

Now if you are a responsible teenager that is one thing but when children are skipping school, not doing good in school, stealing, being disrespectful, and abusing it for something to do or entertain is not the same.

-It really is a gateway drug. Kids are caught young, friends and connections are made while kids search for belonging. emotions are experienced that make you feel more of a range and alive through the process.(we all know kids are ripped off, pinched from, and sold shake, it's more "You feel anything?" "yeah I feel something" "yeah I'm stoned too') Once the connections are formed all you have to do is pick the dominant member of the group, give them a new cool "pretty safe" drug to try, let it spread and move up to the moneymakes while creating multiple addictions. Sure it doesn't always go that way but that's how it looks around here. Highschool parties have coke bars, and extra meth like extra beer for visitors. Every here does it just about, maybe just on the week ends(somehow this doesn't make you an addict though)but they do. and later on down the road it's not enough, or they just want to try something different.

Not to mention the actions taken when you get a group of intoxicated kids togather, damage, disrespect, and roaming(don't these kids have anything to do these days?).

Sure not every child slips into this, but there should be nothing to slip into in the first place. And sure some just do hard drugs for a while, or a few times, but the drugs on the street right now will haunt your soul long after you fight them off, I know.

-The rich get richer while the poor stay broke and end up in jail. So someone gets a secure set up going, producing to supply a city and making the money faster than it can be spent. So many peoplw want what only one guy has so they do anything trying to get in the door. Trying to get the setup, make the connections, have the people to spread your goods and turn it into cash. Not to mention that if anyone gets ripped off, busted by the cops, not to mention work their ass off and take all the risk, is always the bottom guy. And those little drug dealers and growers running around keep the cops busy enough, and the big guy who everyone admires has enough money to keep things quiet

-Gangs. Not just big ones, little groups of people old and young. Everyone trying to make an almighty buck just to buy more to make more money. Along with gangs comes turf, intimidation, threats, theft, fear, and loss of life and soul

-I could go on and on. but you all know the line I've drawn and what I'm talking about.

This is all people see and experience of marijuana these days if they aren't doing it themselves in a respectful manner. While the people who use this as a medicinal tool hide because they have livelihoods at risk, the people who abuse the drug and make it their life and have nothing without the industry risk it all to make a statement that they have control, ultimately increasing the heat for us and tainting our cause.

The sad thing is we feed them. All of us do it.We teach them what to do, how to grow, tip, and tricks, not to mention give them a place to gather. I've come across a few young noobs here right after they've just started smoking and they are educating themselves with no means to put that education to use. They smoked a joint, did a search and found all these people with so much to talk about and share. All of a sudden the action opens up a community to them, a community with a common foundation, so take part and you are part of he community.

I still want to go on but I must take a break as H comes home and I've been writing this in my free time all day, I'll be back to continue.

I need to say something there would be no black market unless the gov't sells it at horrible prices. Kids wouldn't get into other drugs if it wasn't for dealers, you would never get asked at a cafe "want some herion". But the dealer will ask this. Plus if it is legal for adults it most likely becomes harder for childern to get such as beer. I can easily get illict drugs but alcohol is hard. Plus the government could spent more time stopping youngins and let the responsible adult use it as they want.

Sorry to burst your bubble but marijuana is not a gateway drug Study: Marijuana Not a "Gateway" Drug, you my friend have sold your soul to the media

imo, one of the biggest problems is that kids will always want to do what they are not supposed to; it's called rebellion, and i don't know anyone who's not been through it (that is past puberty anyway)

with pot being illegal, it holds that much more interest in the youths. were it legal and available, it would be as big of a deal.

however, it leaves me wondering if other drugs would become choice, for the same reason....

don't know, just some random thought...

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Sorry to burst your bubble but marijuana is not a gateway drug Study: Marijuana Not a "Gateway" Drug, you my friend have sold your soul to the media

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Sorry to burst your bubble but that study if you want to use it as an example only goes up to the age of 25. Also your study uses the term "hard drugs" I'm not saying it leads to hard drugs I'm saying it leads to the use of other drugs, such as shrooms, acid, e, even huffing, and that gas kids get out of those tanks. When you increase the number of different drugs used you increase the likelyhood of graduating to hard drugs. I don't see 20-25 year old crack heads here, most of them are 30-50 years old, took a while o get to that point, where's the long term study? I would also like to point out that it is the feeling of acceptance and new vibrant emotions through doing a negitive action is what causes the gateway, not just to drugs, but crime, disrespect, or even poor choices made by being associated with other kids like that is reason enough to keep kids away from drugs. Later on closer to adulthood a weed user would most likely just move a little out of the weed circle if at all, the problem is junior high and grade school kids being exposed to early to have the facts and level of pychological maturity enough to make a valid choice. You don't let a 12 year old start drinking.

Oh btw way I'm not finished yet so I'm trying not to comment till I get my line of thought down tomorrow before I side tracked. I'm basically just pissed off and ranting though.

my opinion? SOME people dont go foward because they are afraid of dying, or getting locked up, but theres other numb people out there like me, that wuldn not hesitate to shoot a cop, after all he will b reincarnated, i just dont give a fuck no more, BAM BAM!

All this negativity around other drugs pisses me off....it just depends on how you use it. Anyways I do agree on some points. People just don't respect the plant, a beautiful plant from nature. And I hate these fucked up drug dealers ripping people off. The people selling it for huge profit. Sure I think it's ok to make some profit, but it becomes such a good source of income, that gangs(not just street gangs) and selling it at a mark up, and becoming very violent to make sure they get money from it. I don't really feel like pointing out much else, but there are some....idk...things I guess I just really dont agree with. But other than that nice job.

yeah tru about dealers doing anythign to get the next dollar, but to worship money and to desrespect god? thats the cause of death my friend, if you run into any 1 like that, BAM BAM, job done, and god would give youa pat on the back for it. dealers do that because none of their customers did anythign about it, karma is in effect for some, trust, ive seen it happen, spiritual justice my friend, it does exist for those that are about the 2%, might b negative, but hey, lifes negative.

you think so? i respect your aspect, but im in a while different univers, im a humble man, im not "gangster" as your type would label me, wat if the cop already had a bad day? aye? even wounder where jealousy and envy comes from? you can b the angel in life without obeying all the rules, were born into a wicked world, so sometimes u must b wicked back, spiritual justice, no cops lockin me up for some herb i want to smoke, or even give out to others so open their minds, im sorry bro, tooo much conspiracy, too many pill heads, too much of that bullshit, i snaapped, and respect me cuz i repsect u, thats whast your missing out on, the logic, casuse and effect baby cause and effect, i have to play my role in this act too, dont try and put me down, im eating a big bag of chips right now? would u like one? laterz

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you think so? i respect your aspect, but im in a while different univers, im a humble man, im not "gangster" as your type would label me, wat if the cop already had a bad day? aye? even wounder where jealousy and envy comes from? you can b the angel in life without obeying all the rules, were born into a wicked world, so sometimes u must b wicked back, spiritual justice, no cops lockin me up for some herb i want to smoke, or even give out to others so open their minds, im sorry bro, tooo much conspiracy, too many pill heads, too much of that bullshit, i snaapped, and respect me cuz i repsect u, thats whast your missing out on, the logic, casuse and effect baby cause and effect, i have to play my role in this act too, dont try and put me down, im eating a big bag of chips right now? would u like one? laterz

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Lol...you don't see the bad karma? You hurt other peoples lives from killing someone....thats part of what keeps me from killing myself/anyone else.

yes i see the bad karma but i also see the opression, sory im different, and w/e i do will set a good or bad example, thats why people like me are born, to set examples, label me bad or good im still an example

sry, im justa sad child, a sad sad child

Why aren't we moving forward? It's a big business. The CIA ships the drugs in (cocaine at least, theyve been caught. John Kerry even admited it.) Then the elite build/buy private prisons where they put you if you get caught using drugs. So end result- the drug dealers not only profit from the drugs, but from the crisis they have created.

i love your fucking picture man ^

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my opinion? SOME people dont go foward because they are afraid of dying, or getting locked up, but theres other numb people out there like me, that wuldn not hesitate to shoot a cop, after all he will b reincarnated, i just dont give a fuck no more, BAM BAM!

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Some one has fucked with your head boy. You choose your place in life. You are sad because you choose to be sad and do nothing but accept your situation. Cops are not the enemy, cops are fathers, mothers, sons, daughters, brothers, and sisters. Showing how much disrespect you have for any other life shows just how much disrespect you have for yourself. As for trading respect for respect, it doesn't work that way you have to earn respect through your actions not by giving respect and expecting it back. You are oppressed because YOU haven't done anything to change it.
You say you were born into a wicked world doesn't feel nice does it? So what do you do because you hurt? You become wicked and hurt others who are born into it and feed the cycle. Why not give some one else the chance that was stolen from you?

Here's a harsh dose of reality.

People like YOU are what fucks up society because you would rather make the best of what you got instead of doing the work and taking the effort to change your life. You say you respect God but you don't, you resent him for making you experience what you have and live the way you do when really you should be taking your gift of life and making it something you can be proud of and happy as a result.

The world will never change, society will never change, it's the same as it always has been and always will be. The only difference is that once upon a time people fought for a better life for their future giving everything they had to change the stars. Today we fight for the moment, have no goals, or big dreams, we make the best of what we have instead of making the best of who we are and want to be. Society will not be changed, the world will not be changed, but one person can change and set off an unseen chain reation that can spread around the world over life times by only sharing a smile and good feeling, but because we don't see it it doesn't matter. We say there is no way one random person can change the world, but one person has the power to change their whole world and set others on the right track.

Be patient my rant and point of all this will come during nap time when I can sit down and get it right.

yeah yeah yeah, point fingers blah blah blah, ive heard it all miss, you really touched my heart

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yeah yeah yeah, point fingers blah blah blah, ive heard it all miss, you really touched my heart

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No one can touch your heart, you won't let them. As for pointing fingers I was once that which I am trying to change. I found the way out of the cycle and broke it. Now it is my turn to do everything I can to supports and teach others about breaking that same cycle. I can tell you obviously aren't ready and find it easier to make the best of your unsatisfying life. But someday you will want to make a change and maybe a few words or ideas will stick with you and you will know that only you can do it and it is possible.

"Now I see the light, my whole life is moving in one direction.
I see that now, there never has been any choice for me. "

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"Now I see the light, my whole life is moving in one direction.
I see that now, there never has been any choice for me. "

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Sarcasm noted. You can't help those who do not wish to be helped only provide them with the tools for when they are ready. Can't help but notice you're still sad, nobody likes to be sad.

it wasnt even sarcasm....thast wat u just wont get, im the bad guy

Time to continue...

So as I was saying. people who don't do the drug see the negitive effects. Parents see their children change and all their protctive parenting evaded. people see kids roaming the neighborhood, often swearing in the presence of small children, making messes, and trying to entertain themselves at the expense of others. People are seen using gov't releif and welfare to purchase. then there are the houses on the block of an ok neighborhood having iffy [eople travel in and out all the time. People see joints and pot leaves spray painted on buildings. There are joints lit around playgrounds and kids. Baggies drift down back lanes while a group of shady people sneak around a pipe. This is what people see.
They don't see some one in pain experiencing releif. They don't see a university student smoking a joint before sitting down to a ten page report. Or a stressed out parent sitting on the back porch smoking a joint after a long day.




Know what screw this shit. there's real life to deal with and I'm getting more pissed off as the day goes on.

Main message. Please if this doen't apply to you keep spreading the love of the herb as you are doing well now with respect and dignity and a bit of love that is often overlooked in this bleak life.

People quit being asses. Get a little respect, for yourself and your body at the very least. Smoking pot doesn't make you cool, it's not a reason to have friends, or fill a void because you have no substance in your life and you're bored. It's not supposed to numb you to the world, it is meant to allow you to open a new eye to the world. This isn't a peice of merchanidise to make into cash, this is a powerful mind altering herb that is damaging when misused and abused, not nessesarly damaging to the body but damaging to the life and spirit. It gives you a whole new road to tracvel down and explore but that doesn't mean it is a good road, or the one that's right for you just because it is for others. Please use discretion and respect towards you betters in athority(they are just doing their job to keep people like us safe for the most part), and elders(because usually they actually do know better than you, even if they don't make the right choices they still know the road they could have taken, they just took a risk and went down another). Protect the kids, this is our true natural purpose in life even if we've forgotten it, and bee a kid while you can, we are all so quick to grow up then don't see the point of the wasted time once we get there then mourn that our childhood was so horrible in self pity. At the very least slip under the radar and if you are going to show the world you use marijana show them how it make your life more forfilling.

Not much more to be said except that drugs and drug dealers disgust me and have to earn any and every bit of respect from me. And we made this problem and brought it on ourselves, the people before us that got us to this point have not only helped our cause but have also damaged our cause to this point.

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if you really think the world has to be a miserable place then YOU are the one halting progress.

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Well said
I'm not that "YOU" right? Did I come across that way? I really didn't mean too.

jointmaster is just fucking annoying lol.

i already told you, im the bad guy, welcome to the world of characters

ps, if you think life is all about being happy for yourself, then you have alootttt of meditation to do my friend, live yours, and ill live mine

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ps, if you think life is all about being happy for yourself, then you have alootttt of meditation to do my friend, live yours, and ill live mine

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not happy for yourself, but happy with yourself yes.

hey chronic just wanted to say hi see how your doing. did everything go well???
talk to you more later.

oh sorry to burst in on your thread.

sigh, some 1 get me some zoloft, sigh, sigh sigh, ima complete mess?

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hey chronic just wanted to say hi see how your doing. did everything go well???
talk to you more later.

oh sorry to burst in on your thread.

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Hey. We'll just say my outfit has yet to come, but is on it's way. in the mean time I've(we've) been working on a few things togather;)
You can pop in and hijack any of my threads any time

nowoudner why your so fucking happy LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:S3:

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Sorry to burst your bubble but marijuana is not a gateway drug Study: Marijuana Not a "Gateway" Drug, you my friend have sold your soul to the media

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don't be such a raging dumbass; have you sold your soul to a website? i don't usually call folks morons...but....

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yeah tru about dealers doing anythign to get the next dollar, but to worship money and to desrespect god? thats the cause of death my friend, if you run into any 1 like that, BAM BAM, job done, and god would give youa pat on the back for it. dealers do that because none of their customers did anythign about it, karma is in effect for some, trust, ive seen it happen, spiritual justice my friend, it does exist for those that are about the 2%, might b negative, but hey, lifes negative.

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i'm out; i can't take it anymore; wake the fuck up; if you were my kid i'd wack you

going back to the original post; you say you are in on the war on drugs, and then list a bunch of negative consequences of it. these are things the war on drugs creates, not drugs themselves.

This topic is epic fail.

i luv these threads, very interestin.

i'd typ a bunch, but keyb broke...on screen keyb clickin sux....anywayys, kkeep up the good progress! -bows-

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i luv these threads, very interestin.

i'd typ a bunch, but keyb broke...on screen keyb clickin sux....anywayys, kkeep up the good progress! -bows-

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lol.My.keyard's.broke.to,sux,doesn't.it?

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Sorry to burst your bubble but marijuana is not a gateway drug Study: Marijuana Not a "Gateway" Drug, you my friend have sold your soul to the media

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It depends on the quality. If the quality is shit, which it largely is on this backwards little island, then people who are depressed in some way will more likely progress onto smack or something so they actually feel some kind of euphoric high.

In the absence of quality marijuana I have often found myself abusing alcohol and tobacco.

However, the high I achieve with marihuana is complementary to an already existing high achieved through working out, hill walking and yoga. There is no requirement for me to progress onto something stronger because if I want to get more high then all I have to do is get more exercise and eat as plenty of healthy ayurvedic food.

I could sit alll day pulling their argument apart, until there is nothing left behind it than blind stupidity. It's a waste of time. I just think myself lucky to have something nice to put in my pipe, and I can get away with smoking it without too much fear of presecution, which as we all know does have a tendency to mess with you zen.