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i believe in god not religon but god sometimes it makes me feel better to fool myself to beleive there is someone watching over us. But a very logical reason god came about is that Kings from like 2000 years ago created him to keep order in their kingdoms and keep their soldiers in line and willing to fight and die. Jus my 2 cents what do you guys think??
basically... that's it.
although god is real, but "god" is a poor name for what it truly is; consciousness/awareness/mind.
well yea.. i dont believe in god unlike stoner shadow apparently.
but yea it was a way to keep people in line
which in itself is a damn good reason to create a religion. but in todays world its no longer necessary cuz we got the poe-poe
I think you should be aware that the concept of God is more than 2000 years old first of all. What kingdoms were Moses or Abraham lord of. I was unaware that either of these two individuals controlled any armys. In fact Moses wanted no part of God. Yet he felt a strong urge to move when God said to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frank_The_Tank
Why is it hard to believe in something you don't understand? Do you believe in science? Have you seen theories come to life? That takes some faith.
God is mindful of us, believe it.
try praying...
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Originally Posted by Grava Flave
i believe in the mind, not jesus christ or his "father".
how many threads are we gonna keep having about this topic???? i mean honestly you people argue and argue and no one gets anywhere
u basically have the enlightend stoners who are all for a higher power vs. the skeptical stoners aka atheists...and dont forget about the happy stoners who just want both sides to be happy and say u can believe whatever u want
just face it....u cant prove or disprove either side of the argument....were all gonna die one day...some of us may be correct, others wil be wrong, hell we all could be wrong for all i know so dont claim to know
the fact is there is evidence supporting both sides of the god or no god argument....but in the end its faith...just like with most things that arent even related to god...like evolution for example...is there tons of evidence for it? yes there is....does it seem very logical and even likely? yes i think so....is it proven fact? hell no, the last step is faith if you belive in evolution (i do by the way)
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Originally Posted by Stemis516
While I agree with most of what you said there, I don't think it's a very fair assumption to say that only stoners who believe in god can be "enlightened".
who sais moses existed?? maby the kings made all of it up. and i dont think im really a aeithist or whatever cause i do mostly believe in god im jus stating an ovious answer to the question "is god real"
Hey dude, I'm not so much an "Atheist" as as "Adeist" myself, would that be around your ballpark?Quote:
Originally Posted by Frank_The_Tank
BTW, Bubbles is totally awsome :jointsmile: :thumbsup:
THIS IS THE TRUTH RIGHT HERE
In the Bullshit Department, a businessman can't hold a candle to a clergyman. 'Cause I gotta tell you the truth, folks. When it comes to bullshit, big-time, major league bullshit, you have to stand in awe of the all-time champion of false promises and exaggerated claims: religion. No contest. No contest. Religion. Religion easily has the greatest bullshit story ever told.
Think about it. Religion has actually convinced people that there's an invisible man -- living in the sky -- who watches everything you do, every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a special list of ten things he does not want you to do. And if you do any of these ten things, he has a special place, full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish, where he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry forever and ever 'til the end of time!
But He loves you.
He loves you, and He needs money! He always needs money! He's all-powerful, all-perfect, all-knowing, and all-wise, somehow just can't handle money! Religion takes in billions of dollars, they pay no taxes, and they always need a little more. Now, you talk about a good bullshit story. Holy Shit!
-- George Carlin Politically Incorrect, May 29, 1997
i thought you were going to give me a logical explanation for gods existance. and i was going to laugh
the idea of God as a creator of the universe, IS a logical fact in science. If scientists are trying to find out how the universe was created they have to think of all the possibilities. God sits right next to the Big Bang Theory as a reason why the universe is hear. Athiests who dont believe in a creator are mindless.
Saying there is no God is like saying you know all the secrets to the universe. my theory: keep an open mind about everything
I'll believe it when I see it. :)
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Originally Posted by Buddha Man
You don't have to be an insulting asshole. Any intelligent atheist would not say there is definitively no god, they simply make the argument that there is no logical reason to believe in him, and thus the diety "god" has no more validity than anything else the imagination can conjure up.
BTW, there's actual physical evidence for the big bang theory including galactic momentum and radiation patterns that point to certain types of movement and direction. Even if it's not the correct theory, the creator-of-the-universe award doesn't go to God by default.
I'm seeing alot of people saying stuff that more or less follows this quotation;
"Religion is the opiate of the masses." -Karl Marx.
my witty response to this is;
"Lucidity is the hallucinogen of the masses." - Jack the Tripper (think about it!)
Enough of that, though.
Personally, although I am not religious I have alot of respect for many religions and many religious people, and I do believe in God, although not necessarily a God that resembles the standar Judaio-Christian God.
I came to my belief through logic. I asked myself quite simply...
"What is more logical? The idea of a bunch of particles randomly exploding and expanding into a universe with a neat three dimensions and one overpowering race of bipeds, or some higher power creating a neat little universe where 0=0?" The second, in my opinion, is by far the more logical.
Am I high right now? Most definitely.
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finally
thank you sir
I suppose this omnipitant and omniscient higher power, so complex and all powerfull as to be dictator of the universe and creator of humanity, must have been created by a higher power right? I mean something that incredible, more complex than anything we know of, couldn't simply arise by a bunch of particles randomly exploding right?
My opinon is shit in one hand pray with the other and see which one fills up first. Just an opinon, but i find it hard to believe something when i cant see it. and lately i have been thinkin that we are all just biological organisms that live on earth for a period of time and then thats it thats all. if the theory of god is true then does every single living thing on this planet go to heaven/hell when it dies, even amoebas? tripp to think about tho
take it easy,
Foreverhigh
You really have no conception of history do you? God belief, or gods, complete predates the Common Era. 2000? try more like 5000 to 7000. Metaphysical systems of belief have been around as long as recorded history.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frank_The_Tank
In their most basic form they serve a simple function, they explain the visible world as part of a much larger picture.
I'd say that I also find it more logical that there is a creator since we create things ourselves but that does'nt prove shit. And why should it be god? Why not a group of more evolved beings that survived longer than anything in the infinity of existance. Existance other than a material world and where time is not a burden...
anyway, there are infinite possibilities but for my case, I simply believe in infiniy, infinite possibilities and more importantly in man and myself
God was created to control you by men in power .
Dude the mind??? Please.. Who do you think decided to create a being... with a mind... and a spirit.. in his own image...Quote:
Originally Posted by Stoner Shadow Wolf
You guys who follow your feelings wonder why you are always failing..
You lack faith... Not just faith in God or Jesus or some other disciple (whoever) none meet the level of Jesus.. For he was the only who rezzed. All the rest lay in their graves to this day.
If you believe god was created to keep people in line...
Think of todays beliefs, there has now been a religion to cause chaos..
People are now using religion as an excuse to do things outside man law.
Believe what you want. But I feel sorry for you..
3 People were at the edge of a cliff. Looking over the land.. Feeling got too close to the edge, being the emotional one and fell off the cliff.. Faith looked over the edge to see if he could save Feeling and fell off himself... Fact, knowing the truth, quickly threw his hand out and saved Faith.. and along with Faith, came Feeling...
Don't trust your feelings.. They come and go, your Mind controls your feelings. We're habitual emotional beings. So its your habit to decline the fact that Jesus existed and the Lord God created all you see and do. He loves you even though you do not believe in him. He knew you would. But it saddens him that he's provided all these treats and perks and you push it aside for your material and superficial things and distractions..
Would you eat junk food before your mother cooked you dinner??
Why would you push your Fathers plate away from you after he provided for you??
Yes these are my beliefs, but I'm a logical thinker as well. Since you guys say this is about 2000 years old. How else are we to know Jesus than to read his book. The book his disciples wrote after he taught them how to pray, how to love, how to accept the lord in his life, AND he gives himself to cleanse us of our sins that we have and will do.. The lord knows we'll slip, but looks upon us as if we've never sinned.
You may believe yourself today.. And believe God tommarrow.. Keep an open mind sir..
Why the hypocrisy? I agree with stonershadowwolf and smok1t to a certain extent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Prunedale
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Originally Posted by Prunedale
*sigh*
allow me to elaborate.
"god" is the mind.
there is only one mind, split into infinity illusions of separate self.
the mind decided to create the illusion of the physical world, and embody physical bodies.
think of our reality as a huge assed RPG, for which the mind can enjoy.
"god" is simply the core of the mind, the source of awareness, of consciousness.
"god" is the superconscious mind, from which the subconscious taps in to dream and give the conscious mind awareness.
I believe jesus was a man on this earth, but in no way the procreation of god, or any deity.
i believe there are individual minds who have ascended to achieve status as deities, but no single being with all powerful all knowing attributes, I.E. "God".
Jesus was but a man who had achieved ascension early on, as far as men on earth go.
The mind is all that exists, it creates the illusion of reality.
without mind, something cannot exist, the mind of a rock, the mind of a tree, the spirit is mind, the brain is a transmitter and receiver of thoughts and awareness, of our conscious mind, but it is not the source. the mind is the source of reality. it simply creates the illusion of separation.
Ya lost me bro, what religion is this? Or is this your personal following.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stoner Shadow Wolf
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Originally Posted by ju99al0b0mb3r
Was gonna say that sounded so George. I love his teachings lol.
I just love how people are so self centered they think because they can "think and are aware" that reality is different.. Reality... Is reality dude. It goes without us.. This earth.. The "real world" exists without you. And your mind. And your awareness.. Do you know who Made ALLLLLLLL This??? God.
This is yet another reason, why when a girl is bobbin on Prunes knob... She remarks... Oh .....My God........Meaning.. Pleasure so grand it must be heavenly... lol. I agree God lives in me. I try to walk with him. I try to associate with him. And so therefore his way rubs off on me.. Thats Jesus..
Thats the lord.. Ask any grower.. They have much peace with the lord.. Allowing you to cultivate life before them as he does.. What a feeling of joy and pride and love... He Loves us.... To ignore him or deny his existance is like a plant of yours saying I don't want to give you gorgeous buds creator of me. How sad..........Here Jesus... Have some of my beautiful gorgeous stinky buds... I'll smoke with you..
"god" is life. Everything is "god"....thats why "god" seems so "powerful".
Holy shit Prundale, I'm sorry and I say this as factual observation not just meaningless personal attack, but you are by far the most arrogant, ignorant know-it-all I have ever seen on these boards. The very fact that you say "I am a logical person" is astounding considering the sheer illogic in your reasoning, the incredible ignorance in your understanding of consciousness-based-philosophies, and your plethora of "facts" that you never back up because you know logically they can't be backed up. You speak all of your beliefs, while blatently insulting the beliefs of others, as if they were established scientific fact, unquestionable in their infinite logical integrity.
Don't even dare to postulate an understanding of eastern or personal philosophy, your understanding of it is that of a evangellical monkey. Many of StonerShadowWolf's beliefs have been held in very similar contexts in 2,500 year old Buddhist teachings, with Shamanist and Bon philisophical understandings predating that by a good 9,000 years at least.
You go right ahead and cling to your arrogant egocentricism, indulging dellusions that nothing exists relevant to the perception of reality other than blind obience to a great diety, almighty dicator of the universe in the strictest sense yet without any logical or reasonable evidence to back it up in empiricle observation or conceptual argument. StonerShadowWolf and myself both don't have all the answers, nor do you, but he clearly has a more developed understanding of philisophical reasoning than you could ever hope to achieve.
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Originally Posted by Prunedale
i look to nature for inspiration, not literature of man, though that does help to craft my ideas as well, i prefer to ascribe to nature as my only religious belief.
i am not religious, religion is for nuts.
i am spiritual. i seek enlightenment not through the works of man, but the works of nature itself.
im sorry mrdevious but ur the only ignorant arrogant asshole on these boards....just because u dont agree with him, doesnt mean he is a prick
truth is truth....truth isnt subjective by definition.....im not claiming to know what the truth is like some of you, but the one thing i do know for sure is that some thigns are true and others are false and that is universal and applies to everyone....what those truths may be???? the possibilities are infinite, who the fuck knows
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Originally Posted by mrdevious
lol :D dude :hippy: you hold way too high an opinion of me :thumbsup: it's cool :cool:
read gospel of John, if you hav read it then read it again
Dude, he's not acting like a prick because I don't agree with him, he's acting like a prick because of his blatantly insulting condescension toward SSW and others views just because they don't adhere to his viewpoints. Whether or not he is a prick I can't say, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and assume these posts don't express the whole of his viewpoints. But when somebody outright goes off about how stupid me and many others are for believing consciousness-based philosophies (buddhism in my case), I'm going to take some offense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stemis516
Ahh its just fun to bible thump for a bit try it on ya know??Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt the Funk
I don't really mean most of that. But on the real. There is only one god...
Call him what you want.. I was stoned when I wrote all that lol. I hold no claim to knowing ANYTHING about religion or spirituality. Our opinions are our own i guess. I just missed out on the previous "belief" thread, thought I'd piss all over this one.. lol Take care..
Glad a few of you are agreeing at least.
Sorry bro, I remember you well, how ya doin?. sorry you fell in the trap... if I could say this in my tone, you would be laughing instead of posting that.. no hard feelings dude, I don't know shit.. Everyone else does. Don't take all that the wrong way lol. I LOVE religion talk and spirituality talk, BECAUSE.. its just like politics, only we say "yea its my belief..." so that makes everything ok.Quote:
Originally Posted by mrdevious
Like I said I just entered the convo and started talking like I read the entire thread... I didn't know wth you guys were actually talking about, so I chose someone lol. I'm not arrogant dude for real, I'm never EVER serious about most stuff, except in the sexuality forum.. don't read into all that too much.
As for a know it all.. What can I say the lord blessed me with intellect.. I asked. I received. Now I use my knows to help people.. I guess maybe you can say I was trying to help someone else find "A higher purpose" We're all different so I guess.. Fuck it... Lets smoke..
The other thing is... You are tapping into "GOD" sooooo if you say god is green.. And I believe god is red. From my experience I'll lay down the post that way.. You'll lay it down green.. So why am I uh... a _____ if I like red and you like green.. The thing that is whatever with me, is you say that green... is red...Quote:
Originally Posted by mrdevious
The statement was.... The mind.... Is God...... I disagreed..
You must have read it with a negative thought, or my words must have rubbed you the other way instead of what you're used to... Hey what the hell I can't make everyone happy...
Here's some knowledge for ya.. Logical shit... Since we're logical men..
2 + 2 = 4
I'm aware that 2... and another 2 is 4...
I believe.....2 + X = 4
I don't wonder what x is... I have Faith that the lord has blessed me with another to make 4.. You guys just want all the answers and to back it up with science.. Perhaps you watch too much tv... In the end, we're probably as smart as all the people we've met over the extent of our life. I'm meeting new people everyday... Constantly.. There is nothing that I came up with in this brain of mine on my own... Who the hell would I be to try and reinvent a wheel. I use what works.. So if the mind and awareness and all that spiritual shit works for you.. And you believe you'll be going onto a better place or energy or dissintegrate into the ether.. Whatever bro... Peace and Love... Its all god...Its all jesus... See you at the top???
What I am is a smart ass.... I'll admit that... Sarcastic?? Yea...
/pass joint to you... chill bro.. everythings gonna be fine. I prayed for you.
Thank You. Too many lawyers in spirituality now days..Quote:
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That I back... You have my support.. Thanks for clarifying..Quote:
Originally Posted by Stoner Shadow Wolf
For a time I was that way too.. I'm from Santa Cruz bro, can't be more spiritual than our people. We still have hippies.. I love em.. I don't follow the book much either.. But I've read it.. Great story... Great Lessons.. Its all metaphors.. I'm sure someone could write teachings as far as natural enlightenment goes... You just need to be ready to receive it.. Hey I hope you aren't angry at me, I wasn't stabbin at ya.. Friendly convo.. I'm glad we don't agree 100% the world would be a boring place if we were all goin with one grain.
Santa Cruz doesn't have spirituality, it has a scene. And it's very, very marketable there. Having dreadlocks, wearing sandals and playing a handdrum does not make you a spiritual individual. In fact, in today's society its probably just another way of passively accepting enslavement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Prunedale
I may have missed it, but I don't think anybody made the mistake of calling you a smart-ass...