Theory on the Universe

I thought of this while I was stoned and listening to Klaus Schulze and later refined the idea when I was sober.


The Universe was never created nor ended. It goes back and forth in an infinite cycle from creation to destruction.

Creation->Life->Destruction->Creation from the Destruction->Life and so on and so forth.

The equation is basically the question "Which came first, the chicken or the egg." It is something that can't be answered, but can be thought about. Life never began nor started. We are just a step in a cycle of the infinite. I'm sure I could explain more and go into more detail, but I really don't feel like it.

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Originally Posted by Billionfold

Well, the egg came first. I think the real question is how many animals came out of the egg before the chicken.

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I agree with Billion on this one! :thumbsup:

Agreed with all....

Hey Fat Kid ive thought the very same thing about how the universe operates.

okay so everything is exerting the tiniest bit of gravitational pull on other objects in space, like the gravity of the sun pulls the earth towards it just a tiny bit constantly. Eventually after every big mass has been pulling other things towards themselves for thousands of billions of years all the matter of the universe would just be a big clump, but gravity keeps pulling making that mass denser and denser. Finally everything in the universe is condensed into that same tiny point that the big bang origionated from. Then BOOM the trillion year process starts all over again.

you never know.. you never know...

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Originally Posted by NextLineIsMine

Hey Fat Kid ive thought the very same thing about how the universe operates.

okay so everything is exerting the tiniest bit of gravitational pull on other objects in space, like the gravity of the sun pulls the earth towards it just a tiny bit constantly. Eventually after every big mass has been pulling other things towards themselves for thousands of billions of years all the matter of the universe would just be a big clump, but gravity keeps pulling making that mass denser and denser. Finally everything in the universe is condensed into that same tiny point that the big bang origionated from. Then BOOM the trillion year process starts all over again.

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everything would be in such intricate patterns (the different gravitational pulls) that i doubt it would clump up

anyone who has researched/thought about this intensly please comment, i've been pushed off my seat the last few days when reading about the moments and matter in the universe

Well, your theory is very imaginitive and smart...however

Ive kind of come to accept the fact that no one will ever know anything about the universe...Until death

I am a christian and I believe in God fully....fact of the matter is...the concept of science in itself could not be created BY itself....

The universe and God is incomprehensible to every man that lives on it...

If we saw the truth....we wouldn't understand it

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Originally Posted by NextLineIsMine

Hey Fat Kid ive thought the very same thing about how the universe operates.

okay so everything is exerting the tiniest bit of gravitational pull on other objects in space, like the gravity of the sun pulls the earth towards it just a tiny bit constantly. Eventually after every big mass has been pulling other things towards themselves for thousands of billions of years all the matter of the universe would just be a big clump, but gravity keeps pulling making that mass denser and denser. Finally everything in the universe is condensed into that same tiny point that the big bang origionated from. Then BOOM the trillion year process starts all over again.

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Thats what I'm saying except it happens in a different matter. I don't really believe the big band theory because to me, nothing exploding into everything is about as realistic as a Supreme being. I haven't really thought about how the process starts. I was thinking that at the end of each cycle, it spawns almost a new dimension. Nothing from the old dimension is saved, everything is destroyed, and life basically restarts.

the big-bang theory doesn't say the universe started from nothing and exploded, it states that the universe started as a planck-length (i'm too lazy to explain, just google it) object made up of mostly radiation and then exploded

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Originally Posted by xblackdogx

everything would be in such intricate patterns (the different gravitational pulls) that i doubt it would clump up

anyone who has researched/thought about this intensly please comment, i've been pushed off my seat the last few days when reading about the movements of matter in the universe

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big typo, sorry in my last post

i believe in order to understand the entire structure that is the universe, we must look at what comprises it. the basic building blocks are particles, which are everywhere, just now being proven with our recent technology. if we find the way they move and work in conjunction to other particles, we can begin to understand our galaxy, let alone our universe

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Originally Posted by Acouwaila

Ive kind of come to accept the fact that no one will ever know anything about the universe...Until death

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the worms know all.

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Originally Posted by xblackdogx

anyone who has researched/thought about this intensly please comment, i've been pushed off my seat the last few days when reading about the moments and matter in the universe

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Well... today we still dont know if the universe is 'open' or 'closed', as we still dont know the mass of the universe.
If its mass were greater than some critical mass, then it will be 'closed', meaning the gravitational pull will, someday, overcome the actual expansion of the universe, and will make it crunch into a big clump of ultra-dense matter.
If its mass were smaller than the critical mass, then the gravitational pull will be insufficient to stop the universe expansion, and it will expand forever.
And, fatkid, there is some oriental religions which believe the same thing you was thinking. I think hinduism is one example, with cycles of creation and destruction.
Anyway, im pretty sure no one of us will survive long enough to know it for sure... ;)

That's the Cyclic Universe. Pretty much, what I've always believed in...

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Originally Posted by Acouwaila

If we saw the truth....we wouldn't understand it

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i believe this...

i also believe the spin of endless cycles like a car on a track or a type of pendulum sorta pattern..but take in regard the human perspective and how a standard life is:shot in the dark:70 or so years...i dont think its a boom the end/new beginning i think its more of omega gradual baaaack and forrrrrth between conception of life and process of breakdown...the human perspective is a speck of a speck of a speck of the process of the universe...

for some reason i just thought of global warming as a contradictory example...

anyway, time wise there is a divine sense in it all, in the sense that the patterns of evolution and decomposition outside of a humdrum organisms existance is concerned...divine being physical nature and galaxies and the universe...

im rambling at this point but i think the term universe is odd because what if- going out on a limb here because im sleep deprived- there Are parallel universes wouldnt it consistently be a BIverse, or could it be a Triverse or a Quadraverse? lol

shutting up NOW.

If you can find out what makes an Ion an Ion, you found the meaning of life. As for a begining or end. . . Thats out of our hand (no i'm not being religous), all we have control over is our own being. It's life as a probability, cause, reaction, and as certain people like to think clockwork. . .

My theory is that all mathematically and logically possible universes exist. We exist only because it is mathematically and logically possible that a universe could exist that contains us. If this theory is true, then the fact that the laws of physics seem to be especially suited for the creation of life is not a mystery. The only universes that are capable of being seen by anybody are those universes where the laws of physics were set up in such a way that evolution could get working and conscious beings could arise.

The question of why there is something instead of nothing doesn't get solved, but I think we can at least shine a little light on it. The relationship between logical consistency and existence is such that something cannot be both logically consistent and non-existent in the multiverse. The multiverse is a giant, mindless computer, working through the rules of logic, creating every possible combination of true and false things, one of which, interestingly enough, is you.

What do you mean by the rules of logic. You use the word logically a few times there and I was wondering if you were able to break it down a little more than saying logic. . .

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Originally Posted by Oneironaut

My theory is that all mathematically and logically possible universes exist. We exist only because it is mathematically and logically possible that a universe could exist that contains us. If this theory is true, then the fact that the laws of physics seem to be especially suited for the creation of life is not a mystery. The only universes that are capable of being seen by anybody are those universes where the laws of physics were set up in such a way that evolution could get working and conscious beings could arise.

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I believe in this, but somewhat upside-down... i believe our universe obeys physical laws because our mind works with laws, patterns and relationships. Our mind is like a filter, which seeks (and finds) order in the chaos which is the universe. We only see what we look for. As our minds create the mathematic and logic, we try to understand everything in terms of it.


(PS. Its my 300th post!)

Damn good shit but the real question is how man universes are there. 10 or 11 i think but im not totally sure. Nice post though:thumbsup: gets the mind working for next week.

Then the concept of a thimble full of matter weighing more than the earth, as with a neutron star, must be truly puzzling! But somehow physics explains it all and I trust higher math teachings as they prove the facts.

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Originally Posted by FreeVenice

What do you mean by the rules of logic. You use the word logically a few times there and I was wondering if you were able to break it down a little more than saying logic. . .

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I mean the basic fundamentals of logic that underly all science and math. Two electrons plus one electron makes three electrons. The circumference of a circular object equals pi times its diameter. If point X is empty space at time Y, then there cannot be something at point X at time Y. If A always makes B happen and B always makes C happen, then A will always make C happen. These are the basic kinds of logical rules that, I think, must apply in all universes. It is just impossible for them not to be true. Since I believe all possible universes probably exist, then as long as you can create a mathematical model of a universe that follows these kinds of logical rules, that universe must exist somewhere.

Our universe can be thought of as a giant computer doing tons of math all the time to calculate the exact trajectory of every particle through spacetime, except it's not computing anything. It's just following the immutable rules of logic and math. If you have a pile of sand that has 8,705,216 grains of sand in it and you throw 324,112 grains of sand on top of it, there are then 9,029,328 grains of sand in the pile. Unlike me, the universe doesn't need a calculator to figure this out. It just makes itself happen, simply because it cannot logically happen any other way. That's what I mean by logic.