This video kind of sums up what I think about it.
YouTube - Ethan Nadelmann on Tobacco Prohibition
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This video kind of sums up what I think about it.
YouTube - Ethan Nadelmann on Tobacco Prohibition
Everything should be legal. As long as you're not hurting anyone besides yourself, it ALL should be legal, cigs included.
If I want to ruin my life smoking cigs or doing any other drugs, I should have that choice.
This is the land of the FREE, is it not? ~
theres more to freedom than drugs :thumbsup:
I think tobacco should be illegal.
Yeah I agree with plant.
Reefer rogue, watch the video.
Never said there wasn't....Quote:
Originally Posted by higher4hockey
It's just funny how certain intoxicants can be legal, while others are deemed illegal and harmful.
- - Hint: it's all harmful in one way or another, so why can't everything be on the same level? :jointsmile:
This dude is an asset... I am going to his website now...
I disagreed with pretty much everything he had to say.Quote:
Originally Posted by make it legal
In fact, everything he said could be used for pro cannabis arguements.
He talked about not thinking about the consequences, i found this ironic because making tobacco illegal would save more lives then keeping it legal, even with the black market.
Like I said, I think tobacco should be illegal.
I like his point that it will never work...
If tobaccoo should be made illegal do to the fact it has been found harmful to the human body and can eventualy lead to death then we are gonna have to make alcohol illegal. Since automobiles can cause death they are out too, alon with most house hold chemicals, hell while we are at it lets outlaw life as it eventually leads to death
Some people are predisposed to cancer, heart disease, etc. It's those people who are at higher risk by smoking. People don't die because they smoke. People die because they won't stop their addictive, debilitating, fatal habits. Hedonistic fools face an ironic death.
that is kinda the conclusion here... We need less laws and control period... We need to be the leader of our own self and accountable for our own actions... freedom is a myth...Quote:
Originally Posted by hello3pat
Couldn't have said it better myself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Its a Plant
I believe in personal choice and responsibility
The only problem with that is where is the line drawn on what hurts others and what doesn't? Heroin has hurt me in many ways, but I have never shot up. It has broken up families, destroyed friendships, and wastes money that could be used to better the world in other ways. But in the heat of the moment, in the instance you shoot up, its not hurting anyone, in fact, everything seems great.Quote:
Originally Posted by Its a Plant
This is not the land of the free, this is the land of certain liberties. Freedom will never exist completely. Not in our life time, atleast.
Cigarettes should be legal, of coarse, trying to take that away is just ridiculous.
That's where personal choice and responsibility come into play, like NextLine mentioned above...
Having the CHOICE to either ruin your life, use in moderation, or not at all, with anything you want to indulge in being legal. ~
he bored me...
i'm bored now.
thank you
I think cig's and alcholol should be illegal and mary j should be legal. Just look at the death rates.
I smoke two packs a day.....if you want to see a mod go nuts in here, make cigs illegal! It would be JIHAD I tell you!!!!!:D
Have a good one!:jointsmile:
The biggest problem in the drug war ideology is the "make it illegal" philosophy. Large portions of society have this mentality that if something is harmfull, just make it illegal, simple as that! They make a vague, generalized concept in their head that making a substance illegal is an attack on the substance. In reality it's an attack on PEOPLE. When making something illegal, we shouldn't be considering what it's doing to this bad substance, but what it's doing to the thousands and thousands of people who will be victimized by the legal system, given jailtime and criminal records for making a health decision the government doesn't agree with.
As far as I'm concerned, the government has no business in our personal health decisions, nor does it have the right to persecute individuals for how they choose to live their lives. It's never so simple as "make it illegal". Consider every person you know who's smoked a cigarette or had a drink and think to yourself "does he/she deserve to go to jail and be deemed a criminal?"
nope..prohibition has never worked, and will never work. We should have the right in this country to do what we want, if we don't hurt anybody :thumbsup:
ban ciggs? and legalize weed? bit hipocritical don't you think but any other drug gets legalized other then weed I'm running to the local gun shop I'm not bout to be killed by a crackhead for 20 bucks so he can goto 711 and get his fix
It definitely should still be legal. Any more prohibition will just hinder the efforts at cannabis legalization and putting an end to the drug war. Prohibition doesn't work for any drug, in my opinion.
fuck no! im a smoker... :smokin:
if drugs were legal, coke would cost like $5-10 a gram, aka crackheads could work minimum wage jobs and still support their habits without resorting to stealing. that would be the equivalent of someone robbing you so they could buy a pack of cigarettes.Quote:
Originally Posted by pass the chicken
agree with the plant man. for me weed being harmless physically isnt the reason it should be legal. it is like the man said, if you arent hurting anyone else thenwe good. it is like that rush song freewill, or common sense. it is like suicide being illegal. god that is a joke. i agree with the libertarians on this one if you arent commiting fraud or murder then its all good. dobnt hurt others anything else is gravy. in fact id vote for them if they didnt want to get rid of public education and many other gov necessities, but i agree with their foundation, a person's life is their own responsibility. honestly if you are going to make stuff illegal because it is harmful make cars harmful cause i may be the only person left on earth that thinks that the stuff that comes out of your exhaust pipe is more harmful than second hand smoke. im not making sense any more but honestly if you think you have the right to tell other people what to do if they arent harming you in any way then you can eat shit and die
yeah................................... MORE prohibition....................................... .................................................. .:wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf:
Sounds foolproof.
I don't think any drug should be illegal let alone cigarettes. People should have the freedom.
apparently you've never been in the presence of a crack head while they need a fix. And crack head I mean full blown addiction you know the fucked up teeth, unbathed, smokes rock, then smokes more, very unpredictable sometimes violent behavior. Not to mention all the chemicals that shit whould put in the air then you'd have people getting second hand crack smoke. But let's legalize everything. That way every dealer who depends on the hustle runs out of a job. Resulting in them finding other routes to make money. They already have the guns you really wanna take away their food? You'd watch the whole country crumble in front of your very eyes. A good portion of law enforcement would be out of a job. Not that I'm a big fan of popo but still last thing we need are high unemployment rates. Homicde and suicide would skyrocket. Robberies would go way up. See what I'm saying?Quote:
Originally Posted by orange floyd
what a horrible point. you are acting like a positive aspect of illegal drugs is the drug dealers created by the black market. what the hell are you talking about. you cant automatically assume every drug dealer would suddenly start robbing everyone they saw and that it would mean people smoking crack in public. from the sounds of that weakass argument you are the very crack addict to which you were referring, because i dont know who else couldnt see how irrational and wrong that was
NO! I don't see what you're saying. Let the drug dealers go work at Mcdonalds, they do what they do for the money. Let the cops catch real criminals. And a crackhead is gonna be a crackhead no matter what. The education about the drug won't stop. People will still know the risks. Second hand crack smoke............wtf. If anything the drugs will be safer because they won't be made in garage labs. Violence would go down as a result of the illegal drug trade ending and it being regulated.Quote:
Originally Posted by pass the chicken
You can't automatically assume all crackheads steal and rob people. All the crackheads I know don't steal, they may be a little twisted, but they're good people in general that coulnd't resist the temptation to take the panties off the white girl.
you young punks need to walk off in si o lence
:wtf: any of you live by a major city? or way out in the sticks? What sane person do you know who whould trade hundreds of dollars a week for min. wage? And besides that there aren't any jobs here as it is. If You whole hearted beleive that legalizing every illegal drug is a good idea then I hope you take a trip to here to Detroit. Stay a couple nights walk the streets see the unemployed, the dealers, the addicts. See how they are about their money. Then I dare you to try and grab his money out his pocket. It's the same thing as taking his hustle away. Not to mention then there'd just be more addicts running around. And if it's legalized you really think a rock is gonna cost 5 bucks? ciggeretes cost 3 cents a piece to make. thats 60 cents. Why am I paying 6 dollars and some change, cause they'll tax the shit and prices will go higher not lower.
I live right by DC, and that's pretty much crack central. I'm not denying there's some social decay, and most of it has nothing to do with crack. There a lot of factors involved, including the ridiculous gun ban in DC. If it were legalized the price would drop, it would be regulated. Right now it's a black market, and the only thing that rules is getting dollar.
There's people that steal for weed. It isn't about the drugs, it's about motive and that is money.
Im young i guess i should walk away in silence but im settled in nicely so ill ignore you who thinks they can give orders over a keyboard..
This would be nationwide right so why do we argue about unresolvable things..
Drug prohibition ending would affect the nation in all different ways and my town would be inn rubble. Crystal meth is no fun illegal. I dont know my mind isnt fully wrapped around it with the whole weighing of pros and cons but where im coming from I cant imagine legalizing all drugs...
I think if you wanna smoke crack or meth then shit sorry.
Ive smoked meth once and it was under extreme pressure and yeah well lets say i had little choice and i did lots and ate some and we went and did our little missions around town and it was HORRIBLE. Nasty shit cant respect those crackheads or tweakers a little bit where i come from.
Legalize marijuana Prohibit tobacco. Do it using secret police and beat and imprison anyone that complains. Because i dont smoke anything but marijuana. So how can i argue on it? I cant just set my opinion out there and take another hit.
*checks his window make sure no crackheads outside...wait its legal! fuck im sleeping with a shotgun now fuck a teddy bear...*
Sorry just none of your arguments just made me go oh theres a complete answer thats not gonna be argued and flamed by the next post.
Light me up flamers. OOO and dont forget to say i dont mean shit cuz my age. And tell me to do something while ur at it...surprise me.
Exactly how I feel.Quote:
Originally Posted by marvelous22
I dont smoke cigs but I dont think i hold the right to tell others what they can or cannot put into their own bodies.
to each his own. america is supposed to be a free country, yet the goverment can tell me what i can and can not put into my own body. tobacco prohibition would be a disaster.
Took the words right out of my fingers. We think so alike I reckon we could be sisters, if I wasn't a dude.Quote:
Originally Posted by Its a Plant