Bubblicious Problems - Root rot?

This is my 2nd grow. First grow was 1 NL x Shiva and a WW. Both came out nice but the WW was outstanding (IMO). 4oz off her. I didn't have a TDS or PH meter and rarely checked pH with dip paper.

So now I have Bubblicious. Bought the meters. When I went to 12/12 one week ago, I used the GH chart (I have GH nutes) and was at 1100-1200 ppm with ph at around 5.6 ish. 400 HPS w/430w Hortilux. I have a bubbler system.

First off, the plants are much spindlier this time. But the real problem is the roots. On one, the roots are almost shriveled looking despite getting enough moisture. On 2, many areas of the roots sticking out the basket are dark and clumpy. Today I redid my buckets and when I touched the roots - they basically disintegrated. :(

I have no idea what I'm doing wrong with these. There are no outward signs of issues except for one plant that 'burned' on the leaf tips in some sections and turned crispy.

Could anyone tell me what I might be doing wrong that is causing my roots to be unhealthy like this? I didn't think 1100-1300 ppm would cause this and I thought it was about where the plants should be. Is it nute burn? The water is not warm/hot by any means.

Also, they have very little bud sites. One plant has none all the way up the stalk except for the last node area. Also.. They are really going slow here with showing their flowers. It's just not going well?

I've read up a bit. Now I'm sad. I'm thinking I should lower the water levels a bit to let the roots get dryer. I'm also seeing suggestions of adding H2O2 but I'm not finding a 'recipe'. I have 3% in the house and wondering if I should use it.

It sounds like you have root rot, or overferted roots. Get a digi thermometer for your res and get the temp. What system are you running? If its DWC then temps are extremely important.

drop your ppm under 1000 and add h202. Keep your res temps below 70 to be safe.

BTW slime is a huge sign of pythium(root rot).

Besides trying to save the roots and finding a 3% peroxide recipe per gallon... I have another query. When I refilled my bucket bubbler system today, I mixed the GH nutes directly together in a jar that I was going to pour into each bucket. As I did this, I noticed almost a silt forming. Grainy & opaqueish. Like - the Micro & Bloom reacted together oddly. Is this normal? I never noticed that before but then again, I never added nutes like this with my first grow. I would always add one nute at a time by squirting it right in the buckets.

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Originally Posted by The White Snoop

It sounds like you have root rot, or overferted roots. Get a digi thermometer for your res and get the temp. What system are you running? If its DWC then temps are extremely important.

drop your ppm under 1000 and add h202. Keep your res temps below 70 to be safe.

BTW slime is a huge sign of pythium(root rot).

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They didn't feel/look very slimey. Maybe a bit though yes. The bad parts. Darn - What a shame. I'll check the temps now. I'll remove the new nute solution to take the ppm down a bit.

Snoop - I have 3% H2O2 on hand. Each bucket holds about 3 gallons. Do you have a suggestion of how much to use per gallon?

I don't have a thermometer but I drained down the tanks quite a bit and added cold ph'd water. My ppm now is 800-900. I also removed as much bad roots as possible. I also lowered the water level so they can breath better. Not sure how much 3% peroxide to add though. I'm afraid of adding to much. I'll go search the archives some more.

Sorry about the root rot probably temp. One thing is you don't mix the nutes by thier selves, they react and form crystals. Very,very bad. Mix micro first always to some water and stir, wait a few then add bloom. This may have been the start of the rot, nute lockout. H2O2 about a teaspoon per gallon or so, you can go a little more. Look up my thread on red hair ladies. You can cut the roots back to about 2 inches hanging in the water.

:) Yes, I just searched on h2o2 and found the dose. Searching on perioxide was far less effective. I'll add the peroxide now. I'll also double check to see if I could remove anymore bad roots to ensure a good cleanup.

Loc - why is the nute crystal formation bad? Because it shows a reaction and this reaction creates a scenario where the nutes are negated? And the plants don't get fed? Is that what you mean?

Hmmm... I'm not sure what to do about that now. I removed quite a bit of solution from the tanks after I did the 'bad mixing'. PPM now around 800. Should I go to the effort to get all the solution 100% of out these tanks because I screwed up? Hate to waste the nutes but if I messed them up - then I need to?

White Snoop is so right on about keeping the res temp below 70. Also added air to your res can really help. Hydroguard added regulaly can help. Also with the roots in bad shape Super Thrive and Advanced Piranah instead of nutes can help. The H2o2 kills the fungus and works like a cannazym to wash away dead roots. Then a regiment of the Super Thrive and Advanced Piranah or GH Subculture adds friendly bacteria to help rebuild a root structure.
Good Luck

yea we had a talk just a week or so ago in a thread with Zandor and latewood. Always mix micro first and never any of GH 3 parts together without water. They cause a chem reaction. They might be alright but I think I would change it out. I don't think you hurt them any more than the rot. Your getting them cleaned up. Good luck.