Jesus was a fraud

heres my theory the romans paid joseph and mary to committ a huge fraud. the romans were sick and tired of the fanatical jews as it led to unrest among the people. there are tell-tell sign that this is the truth, ::

1. when people were crucified there hands were always tied never nailed to a cross, you cartilage in your hands just simply would not hold your weight. they did this to fullfill the phophecy's.

2. In the old testament it says god never changes, jesus did a complete 180 and taught a passive not an eye for an eye doctrine.

3. obviously in the old testament god is full of vengence this was not jesus.


Anyway you get the point. christianity fits into the western culture perfectly thats why it was adopted, it is nothing more then the roman government in a different form. and when ever the west seeks you destroy another nation they always attempt to convert as many as possible to christianity to make them passive, this is not natural and it isnt nature and it isnt god.

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Originally Posted by seedbare

heres my theory the romans paid joseph and mary to committ a huge fraud. the romans were sick and tired of the fanatical jews as it led to unrest among the people. there are tell-tell sign that this is the truth, ::

1. when people were crucified there hands were always tied never nailed to a cross, you cartilage in your hands just simply would not hold your weight. they did this to fullfill the phophecy's.

2. In the old testament it says god never changes, jesus did a complete 180 and taught a passive not an eye for an eye doctrine.

3. obviously in the old testament god is full of vengence this was not jesus.


Anyway you get the point. christianity fits into the western culture perfectly thats why it was adopted, it is nothing more then the roman government in a different form. and when ever the west seeks you destroy another nation they always attempt to convert as many as possible to christianity to make them passive, this is not natural and it isnt nature and it isnt god.

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interesting thought, because governments have had a lot of control, but there are a lot of factors you're leaving out. like the fact that you sound more ridiculous than the people you're trying to prove fallible. at least they have some records of the culture that explains the difference in the writings, (also the fact that jesus came and the people he talked to were the outsiders, so that's why he was preaching something new and different, like all prophets do) and they have united and tried to learn more and more about it. anyway, you want to make a point? start a group and disprove the existence of jesus with your god-damn roman conspiracy theory, i'm sure you'll get a lot of followers. hell, you could even start a cult and commit mass suicide, or not, whatever you want.

1. you're right in saying that they were always tied, but they were nailed as well in some cases. for some reason, most modern depictions of jesus dont show the ropes, but they were undoubtedly there
2. most christians would tell you that the new testament would take precedence over the old, although i think this is a bit fishy as well
3. see no. 2

what you suggest is possible, but i dont think the romans knew or cared enough about judaism to try to introduce a messiah figure into the picture. chances are that mary and joseph were just smart people who wanted the notoriety of having the messiah as their kid and trained him how to act.

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Originally Posted by MyAntiDrugIsAmy

interesting thought, because governments have had a lot of control, but there are a lot of factors you're leaving out. like the fact that you sound more ridiculous than the people you're trying to prove fallible. at least they have some records of the culture that explains the difference in the writings, (also the fact that jesus came and the people he talked to were the outsiders, so that's why he was preaching something new and different, like all prophets do) and they have united and tried to learn more and more about it. anyway, you want to make a point? start a group and disprove the existence of jesus with your god-damn roman conspiracy theory, i'm sure you'll get a lot of followers. hell, you could even start a cult and commit mass suicide, or not, whatever you want.

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Actually your post adds some interesting points, jesus tried to convert the outsiders yes thats true, the idea was to convert the jews but this did not work out, the jews and romans had a slave and master type of arrangement the jews were the outsiders, why would you try to control the ruling class? they have no problems with them. Also jesus was taught by the magi these people were very skilled magicians that the romans had jesus (purposed)sent off to and had taught him to be a magician as well.

the outsiders weren't just the jews. i meant the outsiders not as in jews, i meant outsiders to religion, like the pimps and whores, the drunks, and the other people that the jews and romans disassociated. i mean, yes it was for jews, because that was to fulfill a prophecy and some believed and some didn't, but i dunno, even if it was the government controlling the people, jesus brought love and acceptance to these outsiders. and i don't believe it was so much a slave and master arrangement although the romans were a ruling power.

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Originally Posted by MyAntiDrugIsAmy

the outsiders weren't just the jews. i meant the outsiders not as in jews, i meant outsiders to religion, like the pimps and whores, the drunks, and the other people that the jews and romans disassociated. i mean, yes it was for jews, because that was to fulfill a prophecy and some believed and some didn't, but i dunno, even if it was the government controlling the people, jesus brought love and acceptance to these outsiders. and i don't believe it was so much a slave and master arrangement although the romans were a ruling power.

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yeah but even jesus refered to those people as dogs. so that wasent really the population he was after he was bigoted against them really. What I think the real reason was is a seperate religion for the working and poor class, the original old testament brought anarchy because of its views about right and wrong and revenge, and the govt. cannot exist with that righteous attitude so they give us this watered down turn the other cheek religion of the poor people. most senators and i believe all presidents are members of a different religion called the masons.

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Originally Posted by seedbare

1. when people were crucified there hands were always tied never nailed to a cross, you cartilage in your hands just simply would not hold your weight. they did this to fullfill the phophecy's.

2. In the old testament it says god never changes, jesus did a complete 180 and taught a passive not an eye for an eye doctrine.

3. obviously in the old testament god is full of vengence this was not jesus.


and when ever the west seeks you destroy another nation they always attempt to convert as many as possible to christianity to make them passive, this is not natural and it isnt nature and it isnt god.

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Ok, the last entry in the Old Testament was written over 400 year B.C. by Malachi. Others in the Old Testament, include, Leviticus, Ezra, Nehemiah and Ezekiel.

The New Testament was writeen by Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Peter and others.

I don't see the connection.


1. when people were crucified there hands were always tied never nailed to a cross, you cartilage in your hands just simply would not hold your weight. they did this to fullfill the phophecy's.

The cruelty of replacing rope with hammer and nails.

Did you know that Jesus wasn't even born Jesus Christ?

That's why I've heard.

Oh, and one more thing Seedbare.

Jesus was nailed to the cross through his wrists.

first of all it would help to know if your male or female,and as in most all your other posts I find them funny but they absolutely do not make sence, your reasoning seems totally flawed in my estimation, or its possible that your above me intellectually and im just not getting it. please explain why something written before and as the foundation of belief in god is any less valid then something written after....

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Originally Posted by beachguy in thongs

Ok, the last entry in the Old Testament was written over 400 year B.C. by Malachi. Others in the Old Testament, include, Leviticus, Ezra, Nehemiah and Ezekiel.

The New Testament was writeen by Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Peter and others.

I don't see the connection.


1. when people were crucified there hands were always tied never nailed to a cross, you cartilage in your hands just simply would not hold your weight. they did this to fullfill the phophecy's.

The cruelty of replacing rope with hammer and nails.

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