I believe in God

I believe in God, but not of the god we have made in our own image. Not of a white haired old man who will burn you forever if you mess up.

In fact, God loves Hitler and Osama Bin Laden just as much as the Pope and Jesus. Jesus is my personal Savior and when He said "Believeth in me and ye shall have eternal life," what He meant was that he is a perfect teacher and we need no other yet there have been lots of teachers who point the way back to God and you and I are teachers too if we want to be.

I believe God loves equally and no one person has preference or authority over another person. I also firmly believe that it is us (and our egos) who created hell on earth and we would love to blame God for it.

Although I am a son of a preacher, I was atheistic early on. I had a child and that changed everything. You could say I am also Agnostic in the sense that it takes an complete understanding of one's Self to return to Peace and to Know God who is the highest form of Love. But the Holy Spirit would not wrench our illusions from us lest we think we really want them. We must come to our own conclusions about this.

I also firmly believe that God himself would happily throw all "religions" in the toilet and that He just wants us to love one another. After all, we come from the same Source.

Thanks for listening. God bless you and know that He Will Keep You. MH

Between the politics and religion forums, Osama bin laden sure has a lot of friends on this site.

Edit: Almost forgot, Hitler does also.

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Originally Posted by Breukelen advocaat

Between the politics and religion forums, Osama bin laden sure has a lot of friends on this site.

Edit: Almost forgot, Hitler does also.

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It is very easy to miss the point of what I am trying to illustrate. It is easy to interpret what I said as condoning violence and hatred. I use those names honestly to evoke an uncomfortable idea "Love thy enemy."

My friend, forgive me if I offend you.

God also loves George W. Bush. I don't agree with anything that GWB did during his presidency. Just like I don't agree with anyone who commits violence on other human beings. But all violence comes from our own egotism and as long as we believe in it, violence and hatred will continue.

Forgiveness is the way out of hell. It is the only way. Peace. MH

When it come to women God has a funny sense of humor:D

Who else would put a shitter right next to the snack house:wtf::wtf::D

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Originally Posted by Mr. Happy

I believe in God, but not of the god we have made in our own image

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dude you had me at the first line thats EXACTLY how i feel... people are too busy hating one another to start noticing there are actually things greater than us, and GOD just happened to be a word that represented it.

:P

Peace,
denial

I believe in gravity because if I let go of a ball it falls to the ground.

I believe the sun is coming up tomorrow because it always comes up every morning.

I believe that we are on a rock spinning around a sun because I've seen sci fi movies.

The thing about these beliefs is that I become less sure as I go down the list. The idea of attributing characteristics to something that has no evidence at all of existince is alien to me outwith creative writing.

Useful beliefs could be something like... I believe I'll achieve all my goals and come up with newer even better goals in the future.

Tell us what God has done for the world lately.... or over the last 2009 years A.C.

has he ended wars ...no

has he feed the hungry..no

has he cured the sick....no

What exactly has anyone see God Do??? I have never seen God have you?? I have never seen ther Devil either.

The world is mans doing... how it is and how people are treated has nothing to do with God.



During the Cursades the people went to War because they stated God wills it ....Right.... humans believe/do what they want to... thats the bottom line

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Originally Posted by bhouncy

I believe in gravity because if I let go of a ball it falls to the ground.
I believe the sun is coming up tomorrow because it always comes up every morning.
I believe that we are on a rock spinning around a sun because I've seen sci fi movies.
The thing about these beliefs is that I become less sure as I go down the list. The idea of attributing characteristics to something that has no evidence at all of existince is alien to me outwith creative writing.
Useful beliefs could be something like... I believe I'll achieve all my goals and come up with newer even better goals in the future.

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People believed the world was flat before there was "evidence" to the contrary. What we perceive and judge to be the truth is so fragmented from the whole (which only a God could be aware of including the entire space/time continuum) that every conclusion we draw from it is just another misperception, and another, and another. Faith is not arrogant as opposed to saying I know this, or I know that. I know my own heart and in that lies the power of the Universe.
Hey Denial, thanks for your kind words. MH

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Originally Posted by Mr. Happy

People believed the world was flat before there was "evidence" to the contrary. What we perceive and judge to be the truth is so fragmented from the whole (which only a God could be aware of including the entire space/time continuum) that every conclusion we draw from it is just another misperception, and another, and another. Faith is not arrogant as opposed to saying I know this, or I know that. I know my own heart and in that lies the power of the Universe.
Hey Denial, thanks for your kind words. MH

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How do you know?

Honestly mate I've came up with all kind of bizzare thoughts about what a god could be or do and I would imagine in a lot of ways it's quite natural to fill in what we don't know with what we think it might be. Eventually you reach a point in your life where you either give up reason and follow your feelings or you say to yourself "What do I want?" and get down and do it.

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Originally Posted by VapedG13

Tell us what God has done for the world lately.... or over the last 2009 years A.C.
has he ended wars ...no
has he feed the hungry..no
has he cured the sick....no
What exactly has anyone see God Do??? I have never seen God have you?? I have never seen ther Devil either.
The world is mans doing... how it is and how people are treated has nothing to do with God.
During the Cursades the people went to War because they stated God wills it ....Right.... humans believe/do what they want to... thats the bottom line

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Thank you VapedG13 -
...consider, just for a moment or two, that we are doing all these things to ourselves. How? Through illusions and the idea we could ever be separated from God. If we identify with the body... when we lose we will suffer and blame a cruel god.

Many people have started wars and continue to use God as justifications for killing. Does that necessarily imply God's stamp of approval on it?

The intense love in my heart is my personal "proof of God." If God is everything loving and real. The rest is false illusions that mean nothing. One can have faith in death. Can you "prove" death exists? You show me mutilated bodies. That is no proof of anything. Thanks, peace MH.