Why I, an ultra-liberal, oppose abortion

I oppose it because I see no difference between it and stabbing your two-year-old you decide you don't want anymore. For me, a fetus is a living thing that deserves rights.

And I'm familiar with the argument that women should be allowed to do whatever they like with their bodies. I couldn't agree more--except that when you have a life growing inside you, it isn't just you that's concerned anymore. As a libertarian-leaner, I think you should have the right to bulldoze down your own house---but not if your children are inside it.

Also, what about the fathers? I'd be seriously pissed if somebody killed my child without consulting me.

I'm liberal on the vast majority of issues, but I see no reason why self-proclaimed liberals would declare their unequivocal support for pre-emptive infanticide.

i don't like abortion either and i don't know anyone who does...it's disgusting

but i don't support an outright ban on abortion

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Originally Posted by maladroit

i don't like abortion either and i don't know anyone who does...it's disgusting

but i don't support an outright ban on abortion

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Agreed...I think if the mother's life is threatened, or if the kid's going to be born without a brain, or if there was rape involved, then yeah.

But other than that, you get knocked up, you made your bed, so to speak.

And yes, in a way we've gone morally downhill since the Middle Ages....back then, they wouldn't hang a pregnant woman because they thought killing the innocent child would be immoral. Funny; we seem to have no such scruples today.

if there was no legal access to abortion, young women would be killing their fetii and often themselves anyway with unsafe illegal abortions...our health care system should put resources into reducing abortion


the majority of abortions are done before the 10th week when the embryo (it's not a fetus yet) is less than five grams and 3cm long, and one third of abortions are performed before the 7th week when the embryo doesn't have a brain and looks like this:

A fetus is a parasitic entity feeding off it's host, and the host has the right to eject that freeloading parasite from her womb at any time.

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Originally Posted by overgrowthegovt

Agreed...I think if the mother's life is threatened, or if the kid's going to be born without a brain, or if there was rape involved, then yeah.

But other than that, you get knocked up, you made your bed, so to speak.

And yes, in a way we've gone morally downhill since the Middle Ages....back then, they wouldn't hang a pregnant woman because they thought killing the innocent child would be immoral. Funny; we seem to have no such scruples today.

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Yeah, but it was socially acceptable for men to have mistresses, fuck everything that walked, and mercilessly kill each other for the sake of "honor".

That's only the beginning of how fucked up we were in the middle ages.

And, honestly, I believe that we're in danger of overpopulating the world at the rate we're tearing through natural resources, so I could care less if someone gets an abortion.

In early America it was up to each state. Most states banned abortion but had exceptions for life of the mother, etc. Roe v Wade changed that and is why many Americans would like to see RvW repealed. Few states would have outright bans, most would have some exceptions based on the will of the people.

wow...things haven't changed much since the middle ages

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Originally Posted by maladroit

wow...things haven't changed much since the middle ages

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Plenty has changed... :D

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Originally Posted by Breukelen advocaat

A fetus is a parasitic entity feeding off it's host, and the host has the right to eject that freeloading parasite from her womb at any time.

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Again, you could say the same about anyone under 18, really.

And yeah, I agree with it being legal, because we can't stop it and we can at least make sure they're safe, but I'd just rather they didn't, you know?