TERRORISM

this was going to be a response to another post but i thought more people should read it to gain some perspective.

I really cannot believe some of you people. DO some history for Christs sake, its fucking important. The sactions we put on Iraq in the early 90's doubled infant mortality and killed hundreds of thousands of women and children. OUR POLICIES FUCKING KILL PEOPLE!!!! If Iran was occupying mexico our CIA would be killing their soldiers, military enlistment would be through the roof and all you people who say "bomb Iran" would support it. It doesnt justify the attacks but it sure as hell explains it. We need to understand that our policies have a real effect on people. We supported Iraq during the IRAN - IRAQ war that led to the death of over a million muslims.....A MILLION!!!!!!!! Then Iraq ( used the weapons and support we gave them to invade Kuwait ). Then we use sanctions that lead to the deaths of thousands of civilians. At the same time we are selling arms and supporting Saudi Arabia, a brutal dictatorship. WAKE UP GUYS is it really hard to see why they hate us. George Bush has done far more damage to this country than a few hundred guys out in the desert who still use AK's they got off of dead Soviets and still make their terrorist videos on FUCKING VHS....WAKE THE FUCK UP!!!!!!!!!

RON PAUL 2008

The only rational choice that you leave us with is to have nothing to do with the Middle East.

Unfortunately, not too many North Americans would be willing to drive their cars less until alternative forms of energy are perfected.

Personally, I'd tell them to shove their oil. We should boycott those bastards until hell freezes over. Fuck 'em all. They'll come crawling back on their hands and knees with bin laden's head on a platter if we did that for a few months.

I agree with the fact that America is reaping what it has sown.
It doesn't suprise me that after all the meddling in other countries America is seen as an overly aggressive nation.

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Originally Posted by psychocat

I agree with the fact that America is reaping what it has sown.
It doesn't suprise me that after all the meddling in other countries America is seen as an overly aggressive nation.

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Hey psychocat - you gave me a negative "rep" rating for expressing my opinion, and wrote "Crazy" in the explanation. Is that what this rating system is meant for? I really don't care - but it's rather childish. If you disagree with my opinion you'd be better off writing why, and what you would do instead.

One more time: BOYCOTT MIDDLE EAST OIL! We don't need it, the terrorism, or their dirty politics.

The arrogance of the "let them come crawling" is what is crazy, what makes you think they need the US ? China needs energy on a massive scale so they won't be too bothered if America freezes it's ass off because they can't meet thier energy needs. Americas past is defining it's future and the attitude you have defines my reaction.
Your reaction is childish IMO , bit of tit for tat with the rep?? Not bothered in the least BTW
You obviously have a problem with criticism , the rep system isn't just for complacent agreement.

So what are the excuses for the attacks in Southern Asia, Spain, Great Britain by Al-Quada? Sure the hell wasn't the U.S. to blame with that shit. We can act like scared rabbits and hide in the hole or we can do what needs to be done.

As you would say, For Christs Sake....they had a fit over a fuckin' cartoon in Denmark!! So are ya for having the world kissing Allahs' ass just to appease these radicals? Knowing the HISTORY of that region how do they react to weakness?

People in here just want to cut off Israel and let them fend for themselves. Well, the Ron Paul sector at least. DO IT! When they reach final destruction and launch their 200 atomic bombs across the middle east it'll have NO effect on your precious lives. LMAO...that's untill your car is out of gas and you can't heat or cool your homes. Then it'll be the fault of the dumbasses in government that let it happen.

Have a good one!:s4:

First off our approach of bankrupting the nation in response to terrorism is not a wise strategy. Thatâ??s what we are doing right now. Overreacting. Do you plan on wiping out every terrorist one by one? Cause a war on terror is like a war on Jealousy, you are not going to win. If you can explain how the US fighting wars for Israel is in the best interest of the United States I would really like to hear it. We have made the terrorism problem so much worse for ourselves. Look at the foiled plot in Germany. Where Europeans, not even Arabs, were planning on bombing US interests. We play right into Osamaâ??s plan when we invade and occupy their land. Then Osama can say, â??look Arabs, look at what the Infidels do, they occupy holy land, kill civilians, and exploit our resources. â?? Then we spawn a whole new generation of terrorist, whether they come from Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, or Iran. Its like in Vietnam when we were fighting the Vietcong, Generals were looking at the figures going â??wait all the Vietcong should be deadâ?�, but we had new Vietcong that grew up with the conflict ready to fight years later. Thatâ??s the problem we create by our policies towards the middle east, a never ending supply of people ready and willing to blow themselves up if it means hurting America and repelling the infidel. Also Israel did a much better job defending there interests, remember when they took out that Syrian nuke facility recently, oh maybe not because it was done so swiftly and covertly that the media didnâ??t even cover it. So yes I do think Israel can take care of themselves. Why you suggest it is the responsibility of the American taxpayer to do it makes no sense. Please explain, I really want to know why the strongest country in the region cant defend itself. Like Christians never through a temper tantrum over Jesus Christ Superstar. If you can explain how our intervention in the middle east is making oil more accessible I would like to hear that one too. It seems to me the price of energy is going to go way up and from what I can tell most people are worried about an energy crisis. Is our foreign policy really making that situation better. Please explain. You cant just present a list of problem that we are CURRENTLY FACING and somehow suggest that what we are doing now is preventing those problems that are fucking happening.

So answer a few questions?

Why canâ??t Israel defend itself?
How do you expect to stop terrorism with a strategy that results in more terrorism?
What constitutes victory over terrorism?

I thought we were trying to get fewer people willing to strap bombs to themselves and blow us up. Did I miss something?

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Originally Posted by LaidZeppelin

So answer a few questions?

Why canâ??t Israel defend itself?

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What wars are the U.S. fighting for Israel? We supply weapons and Israel defends herself. The only spot in Israels "conflicts" that we are remotely part of is Irans quest for a nuke.

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Originally Posted by LaidZeppelin

How do you expect to stop terrorism with a strategy that results in more terrorism?

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In case you haven't noticed, the moderates have become more vocal in regards to terrorism. When their own followers of Islam begin to turn on them....it's a good sign. Surely wasn't like that at all until as of late.

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Originally Posted by LaidZeppelin

What constitutes victory over terrorism?

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I don't think that the idea of "no more terrorists" is being realistic. There'll always be some assclown willing to strap on a suicide bomb, highjack a plane, etc.... but letting the problem go surely isn't the answer. If you have a roach problem do ya let it go or try to get rid of as many as possible?

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Originally Posted by LaidZeppelin

I thought we were trying to get fewer people willing to strap bombs to themselves and blow us up. Did I miss something?

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I guess you did to a point. The amount of terrorist attacks by Al-Quada in Bagdad, and other provinces, has dropped dramatically. Since 9-11 how many attacks have happened here? They're network is definately disrupted.

NOW...answer me this:
One consistant view of the typical Ron Paul supporter is screw Israel. What would be the side effects IF we were to abandon our allie and what effects would it have on YOUR life if they were to the point of launching their nuclear weapons. 200 bombs across the middle east WILL have an effect on the entire world!

And this: It amazes me that the Ron Paul sector screams this "Constitution" garbage but yet after 9-11 they can't even support the war in Afghanistan. Ron Paul has stated that ONLY wars that have been approved by Congress are constitutionally correct....well Afghanistan was and still is! Now since Afghanistan IS a war approved by Congress, how can he state that it goes against the Constitution?

Have a good one!:s4:

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Originally Posted by LaidZeppelin

I really cannot believe some of you people. DO some history for Christs sake, its fucking important. The sactions we put on Iraq in the early 90's doubled infant mortality and killed hundreds of thousands of women and children.

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Actually food & medical supplies were exempt from those sanctions as they are from ALL US SANCTIONS.

True Saddam denied his people those things so he could sell them on the open market for money, and as a control over the people.

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OUR POLICIES FUCKING KILL PEOPLE!!!!

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No, our economic sanctions don't "kill" anyone.

that is just a lie...we didnt lift the sanctions after the 1st gulf war.....you can even go on youtube and see margeret thatcher responding to the sanctions. She is asked if she thinks the loss of life and turmoil it caused iraqi civilians was worth it to put pressure on sadaam and her cold response is "yep"....dont just lie, look up the effect of the sactions.