Jesus wants an army, and the bible is the book of war
I was raised in a fairly strict catholic household. When I got into my teenage years I decided that the religion wasn't for me and I left it I guess you could say. I had some experience reading the bible but I had never really retained much information from it.
Presently, I am reading the bible from a literary perspective in my intellectual heritage class. It's a great read. So far I have found many interesting passages, many of them deal with war or conflict. I had decided to put a few of them on the board, to see what you guys think about some of the surprising things god and Jesus tells us. This is from the old and new testament.
Matthew 10.34
Not Peace, but a Sword
-Jesus speaking
"Do not think that I have come to bring peace to earth; I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and one's foes will be members of one's own household.........(38) and whoever does not take up the cross and follow me is not worthy of me. Those who find their life will lose it, and those who lose their life for my sake will find it"
Romans 13.1
Being Subject to Authorities
-Paul writing a letter to Roman people
"Let every person be subject to the governing authorities; for there is no authority except from god, and those authorities that exist have been instituted by god. Therefore whoever resists authority resists what god has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment....(4) for it is god's servant for your good. But if you do what is wrong, you should be afraid, for the authority does not bear the sword in vain! It is the servant of god to execute wrath on the wrongdoer."
Deuteronomy 20.10
Rules of Warfare
- Words of moses I guess
When you draw near to a town to fight against it, offer it terms of peace. If it accepts your terms of peace and surrenders to you, then all the people in it shall serve you at forced labor. If it does not submit to you peacefully, but makes war against you, then you shall besiege it; and when the Lord your god gives it into your hand, you shall put all its males to the sword. You may, however, take as booty the women, the children, the livestock, and everything else in the town, all its spoils. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemy, which the Lord your god has given you. Thus you shall treat all the towns that are very far from you, which are not towns of the nations here. But as for the the towns of these peoples that the Lord your god is giving you as an inheritance, you must not let anything that that breaths remain alive. You shall annihilate them.."
And this isn't really part of the whole war theme but I thought it was kind of funny...and sadistic.
Deuteronomy 21.18
Rebellious Children
If someone has a stubborn and rebellious son who will not obey his father and his mother, who does not heed them when they discipline him, then his father and his mother shall take hold of him and bring him out to the elders of the his town at the gate of that place. They shall say to the elders of his town, "This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a glutton and a drunkard." Then all the men of the town shall stone him to death."
So if you read all that, what do you think? or do you have anything to add?
Jesus wants an army, and the bible is the book of war
Well... i think taking small passages of the bible and interpreting them outside its context is somewhat dangerous... Most people decievers, like false religious leaders do it for their own benefit... if you select the right texts, you can reach almost any conclusion based on them.
Jesus wants an army, and the bible is the book of war
Yeah but there are a lot more than these. It tends to lead a rational person to believe that either there was a lot of tampering with the original texts of the bible or some of these idiots that purportedly had talked to Jesus or god were not speaking to who they thought they were. But that is only if your a rational christian. If your a rational athiest you see all the lies for what they are. Just mind control.
Jesus wants an army, and the bible is the book of war
I wasn't trying to bend the meaning of the bible in any way, just illustrating how ridiculous some of it is. I found those excerpts incredibly interesting, especially the one were Jesus claims he is not here to bring peace to the world. It makes sense in a way, the coming of Jesus has caused conflicts around the globe for hundreds of years.
Jesus wants an army, and the bible is the book of war
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Originally Posted by 40oz
I wasn't trying to bend the meaning of the bible in any way, just illustrating how ridiculous some of it is. I found those excerpts incredibly interesting, especially the one were Jesus claims he is not here to bring peace to the world. It makes sense in a way, the coming of Jesus has caused conflicts around the globe for hundreds of years.
In context, Jesus is telling us that many will not except the bible's ways and Jesus' words, And Soon he is going to kill all who are not Following God's Laws.
You have to understand that not following God's laws is Exactly why you see all the suffering you see today. This World that you see today is a World with out God. This is what happends when you do not follow god's laws.
Once this judicial Court case is Settled That is (Mankind can not rule them self, they need to follow God's Laws) Then Jesus who God has Apointed King Can then kill all opposers. All mankinds history sence Adam and eve's rebellion Proves that no matter what humans do they can NOT rule them self. No government, No Rulership, Nothing but God's Rule will work.
Jesus wants an army, and the bible is the book of war
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Originally Posted by Krogith
In context, Jesus is telling us that many will not except the bible's ways and Jesus' words, And Soon he is going to kill all who are not Following God's Laws.
You have to understand that not following God's laws is Exactly why you see all the suffering you see today. This World that you see today is a World with out God. This is what happends when you do not follow god's laws.
Once this judicial Court case is Settled That is (Mankind can not rule them self, they need to follow God's Laws) Then Jesus who God has Apointed King Can then kill all opposers. All mankinds history sence Adam and eve's rebellion Proves that no matter what humans do they can NOT rule them self. No government, No Rulership, Nothing but God's Rule will work.
WELL SAID! I couldnt put it in better words... i agree completly. :thumbsup:
Jesus wants an army, and the bible is the book of war
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Originally Posted by Krogith
You have to understand that not following God's laws is Exactly why you see all the suffering you see today. This World that you see today is a World with out God. This is what happends when you do not follow god's laws.
Thats funny because God's law also commands you to kill cheating wives and to destroy populations that don't follow their god, among other violent things.
At least the Koran says all religions of abraham (Jews, Muslims, Christians) will be accepted into the kingdom of heaven. Unlike the bible. This is also interesting because it seems like more people (at least in the USA) see the Koran as preaching more violence and intolerance for other religions than the bible.
Jesus wants an army, and the bible is the book of war
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Originally Posted by 40oz
Thats funny because God's law also commands you to kill cheating wives and to destroy populations that don't follow their god, among other violent things.
The hebrew scriptures are about god bring up a people to have his son come down in this nation. The Greek are about his Son's life and what he wanted people to be doing untell he came for God's great Day.
In the Hebrew scriptures your right there were rules and things that nation had to follow, this was to keep them clean from the teachings around them. After Jesus Came on earth The old laws were Void and new laws were to guide this next step. Jesus wanted people to learn about his Father in heaven. and To Teach others about him.
And just in case your wondering the middle ages were not following god's laws they were the exact oppsit.
Jesus wants an army, and the bible is the book of war
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Originally Posted by Krogith
You have to understand that not following God's laws is Exactly why you see all the suffering you see today. This World that you see today is a World with out God. This is what happends when you do not follow god's laws.
"Love thy neighbor." That should be God's only law.
When you realize that you can love everyone around you, God will appear, as clear as day. That's the thought that I had at 7:13, this morning. :smokin:
Jesus wants an army, and the bible is the book of war
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Originally Posted by Krogith
The hebrew scriptures are about god bring up a people to have his son come down in this nation. The Greek are about his Son's life and what he wanted people to be doing untell he came for God's great Day.
In the Hebrew scriptures your right there were rules and things that nation had to follow, this was to keep them clean from the teachings around them. After Jesus Came on earth The old laws were Void and new laws were to guide this next step. Jesus wanted people to learn about his Father in heaven. and To Teach others about him.
And just in case your wondering the middle ages were not following god's laws they were the exact oppsit.
Why would a perfect being need to void their own laws? You'd think they'd make the best laws in the first go around.
