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If we were to be honest, I think alot of people spend more time to
come up with ways on how they can not belive in god, then to those
of us who do belive, and know what the truth is.
this is not a statement to put anybody down, just somthing to roll
around in your Head.:)
if you believe you cannot see respect for god outside of yourself then it will never happen :P
what he said ^
yeah and you guys spend just as much time coming up with excuses around our logical arguments....Quote:
Originally Posted by jdmarcus59
and you don't know what the truth is... no one does... cuz god has never phsyically shown himself... and no one here is dead and in heaven obviously... so no one can know... one way or the other...
i do find it funny that people seem to confuse faith with knowledge tho... most christians these days (atleast that i come across) don't BELEIVE in god... they 'know in' god...
When it comes right down to it "reality" and "truth" are entirely subjective. What IS matters not. What is PERCEIVED is all that constitutes reality. Whatever you believe or "know" to be true, is what is true. In this way, there are no universal truths or untruths, rights or wrongs. I personally am an entity that consists neither of beliefs or disbeliefs.
my freind God did show him self, jesus said if you have seen meQuote:
Originally Posted by slipknotpsycho
you have seen the father, read the gospel of john to understand
what christ meant.............oh come on you can read it , it wont bite lol.:)
jesus gave an answer to to anyone who asked, some people just choses
not to belive, and jesus never ran after someone to argue with them, cause
he knows what is in the heart of man, christ said he knows his sheep, and
they hear His voice, and follow him. its really very simple, some people
know matter what prof you give them, will still choses not to belive.
very important passage in the gospel of john that explains this it says
that the light has come into the world, and the light shines in the darkness
but the darkness has not understood it, but to all that received Him(light)
to thoses who belived in His name, He gave the right to become children
of God.
The idea of the man that they call Jesus appeals to me for what he values. Peace and love. But there are peace loving cats going around today who say similar things. Does that make them the son of this thing called god? Do their words prove the existence of what they say? I am a peace loving guy. If I hear a quite voice inside of me telling me to spread love and happiness and that also there is 4 gods and one of them is called Steph who is actually a transsexual then would people believe me? Whether they believe or not doesn't make it real. You can be a loving person and question what the fuck is going on.Quote:
Originally Posted by jdmarcus59
you're kidding right?Quote:
Originally Posted by jdmarcus59
first i have read it... cover to cover 3 times....
you do realize man wrote that book right? neither god nor jesus conjured up some magic to just 'produce' the book... to me that book holds no more value of being 'proof' then harry potter or something... both were written by everyday normal people...
and if god could dictate what he wanted written, he could prove himself now... which i don't really see happening..
either way i still stick with what i said earlier.... neither side can actually know... you either believe one way or the other, but no one actually KNOWS, as it's impossible to know... since there is no proof that he is, or isn't real. i stick to logic, opposed to faith.
God is real, it is a fact. Sceptics are just living there lives in ignorance and will die in ignorance. Death will come quickly to the faithless, they will not live a full life. Niether will the religeous that fail to recognize that truth cannot be found outside of themselves.