good info on there hatch....after this grow, when we can see what missing per se....we will be adding supplemental lighting probably...
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good info on there hatch....after this grow, when we can see what missing per se....we will be adding supplemental lighting probably...
[quote=SnSstealth]One of my dads good friends lives where there is no power, so he doesn't have a choice. Invested about $12 grand in solar and runs everything just fine. It's not perfect, like he has to turn lights off when they're not being used, but we all should try to do that.Quote:
Originally Posted by oldsanclem
True, he's not exactly making any money from it, but he doesn't spend money on power either, so it's kinda like making money. It's kinda funny that if he were to move 10 miles in either direction and triple, or maybe only double his initial investment, he could be selling power to the electric company. That, I think would be making money. Why doesn't everybody over there do that? Oh yeah, maybe they don't have $36,000 laying around.
Wow, I just read this again.Quote:
Originally Posted by oldsanclem
What a load of negative horse hockey.
Man I hate half-truths and misinformation presented as indisputable fact. When you're spewing all this ridiculous nonsense, it might behoove you to keep in mind that industry is using LED. A lot. All over the place. More and more. Read up a touch before leading the sheep. They can't help it, some of them might believe you.
sorry...new to this thread...think it has amazing info...two questions...one, can one use led in s.o.g and second, is a mix of hps and led better for yeilds then hps alone???
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Originally Posted by Opie Yutts
haha yeah, nasa is using it, along with the mercury lights..
Yes, The spectrum would be in a closer range if you add some colour with LED's to help supplement light with your HPS. Later
IF leds were a usable , industry would have had them years ago.
They have more to gain than a pot grower, Brillioins of $ would be saved IF they were usable. Yes there are a few desk lights that have leds, but, does industry use them. GE,Siemens,AG,Silvainia(sp) have some of the best engeers going. I can only hope pot growers can prove them wrong. Wind power, solar cells (subsidies pay 14-25 cents per kwh to cover cost rich get richer poor get poorer:wtf:),bio fuels (consumes more power than they net rich get richer poor get poorer:wtf:, battery power (1919 2007 80 miles to a charge almost 90 years later net gain 0,, ZERO net:wtf:) , Someday they will make,leds output to cost ratio:thumbsup:.
Believe me I am all for new things, my system is automated, remote control.
This thread is how old and not yet has one person come up with watts/grams/month
NOTE if you do make it work, you will make more from GE, Seimans than you will ever make from growing pot. :)
I don't wonder why e.g. philips isn't too keen of LEDs as a general lighting...they sell lightbulbs, CFL and HID, which need replacement...over and over again. Other industries don't switch over because of high initial cost (lose money now, stocks go down, unhappy stock owners, big no-no).
The initial cost is the same problem that home growers have isn't it? So there is a bit more to it than just "they don't use it, it can't be good."
It has been done here with a couple of mistakes (no training, "killed" LED plant with HPS harvest water shortage?), but still.
Im not tryin to pitch my thread on someone elses...but dude i AM growing with LEDs...they have made 2 now for growing, and all our traffic lights here are LED...the indoor lighting at the hospital my wife works at are.......yup LED. so dont talk about them not getting integrated into society....and its only happening more
Yes you can use LEDs for SOG.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomtomgrow
Yes a mix of HPS and LED is better than HPS alone, but only if you don't sacrifice some HPS watts to do it. If you need to, then stick with HPS for another 3 years.
Oh my fucking goodness. I can't believe I'm reading this crap again. You are just plain wrong in your assumptions. Have you ever studied LED's? Have you ever picked up a recent book, or taken a recent LED class?Quote:
Originally Posted by oldsanclem
Once again folks:
INDUSTRY IS USING LEDs NOW!!! There would not be soooo many companies using LEDs if it did not make financial sense. Look dipstick, the reason they weren't being used years ago is because they were not invented yet. It's kinda hard to use something that has not been experimented with, studied, worked with and changed so that it is viable, until it becomes viable. Revolutions in the industry that make LEDs usable and economically viable have only come about in the past couple 3 years, so of course they weren't real popular years back. Neither was a flu vaccine or air conditioning, but that doesn't mean it's senseless to use it today. Get an F'n clue.
if ignorance is bliss................
Hey brother thats why you have those headaches!! High Blood Pressure!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Opie Yutts
Don't worry about the hater's, They will want to be your best freind in a short bit-of-time, When they are way behind.
Hey that rhymed. ( Opie ) Check out the new trick you learnt'me.
Where is a thread we can bullshit? I want to ask you some stuff about your headaches. Later
Hear is a Qoute from a PHILIPS Rep.(In LED MAG.) LED COMING SOON!!! Aquarium, Horticulture, General Lighting.
WE have been Working on our LED arrays for the past 3 years to ensure we have the correct OUTPUT for each application. Qoute:Qoute, KURE'WAKE!!!! Kuwacha crack. Later
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Originally Posted by oldsanclem
OK its not grow lights but industry is using LEDs and and it will explode this year. The innovations needed have arrived.
a simple search uncovered this:
Lighting Industry Survey Confirms LED Lighting Market Growth
By the end of 2008, LEDs are expected to be commonly used in offices, parking garages and residential outdoor applications
DURHAM, N.C., JANUARY 28, 2008 ?? Cree, Inc. (Nasdaq: CREE), a market leader in LED solid-state lighting components, announces the results of an independent survey on the adoption, deployment and benefits of LED lighting. The survey, taken at the recent 2007 Hong Kong International Lighting Fair, validates strong global growth for LED lighting applications, confirms awareness of the energy-efficiency benefits of LEDs and indicates that the adoption trend should continue through the end of the decade.
Key survey findings include:
* Nearly three-quarters (72 percent) of respondents have witnessed a growth rate in excess of 20 percent for LED lighting applications in their businesses over the past six months.
* Almost two-thirds of respondents (63 percent) believe LED lighting will comprise more than 50 percent of their sales or installations by 2009.
* Future growth in the LED lighting market is expected to come from a mix of applications ?? with street/parking (20 percent), residential indoor (17 percent), retail/display (17 percent) and office (15 percent) cited as the leading opportunities.
Survey respondents represent top decision-makers at lighting manufacturers who attended the 2007 Hong Kong International Lighting Fair ?? the largest lighting show in Asia and the second largest in the world. Nearly half the respondents to this survey were from outside of Asia, reflecting the survey??s global reach.
??The survey results present us with a clear and positive picture of growth patterns and expectations from leaders in fixture design and manufacturing,? said Greg Merritt, director of corporate marketing, Cree. ??The survey shows an increasing demand for the high-quality, energy-efficient LEDs that Cree currently provides and is continuing to develop.?
??The general illumination market is at a tipping point,? Merritt said. ??Cree??s industry-leading XLamp? family of high-performance cool- and warm-white LEDs is uniquely positioned to serve the needs of lighting manufacturers who are ready to capitalize on this growth.?
WOW! battery power has had "ZERO" advancement in 90 years huh? So whats this thing attached to my cordless drill that works alot better than the older (same company) one I bought 2 years ago? and what does "80 miles to a charge" mean?Quote:
Originally Posted by oldsanclem
As for the people using solar, wind and waterfed(almost forgot that one) power, the rich dont get paid by them so they dont become quite so rich. yes they sell what they buy for a profit GASP! How is it you lose money(sorry "get poorer") by not paying for elec.?
If they've spent three years on it, then i'd say a good two years was spent on class 1's. while they could have played with spectrum, the low output levels though might make it tough to translate to now but i'm sure they'll figure it out.Quote:
Originally Posted by hatch
"they've gotta have more forms, I mean...they are scientists"...lol(half-baked)
The problem they are having trouble with is the UVB, Which is harful to humans.Quote:
Originally Posted by SnSstealth
They are trying to produce it in a un-harmful way!!!
I, Personally would like to get them to put UVB in the Grow Lights, And when you are in the room, Just flip a switch and turn off the UVB. BUT and that's a big word, Were talking about many Law Suites in the making.
You can get a low watt UVB from a reptile Lamp, But you don't need to be in the grow room when it is on!!! You will see a big response it the Trich. count.
This Light is purple right? This purple , which is in the 200-270nm of the spectrum, which is the ultra-violet to blue, Useful Radiation (PUR).
Metal Halides and High Pressure Sodium Lights have ALL the UVB blocked. And Us as grower's need the UVB, POLITIC'S and HUMANITARIAN'S-RIGHTS-ACTIVIST looking for a free ride, Suing the Corporations is the big hold up, That wouldn't be GREEN, Hurting people with radiation. But it would be DAMN GREEN for us eh!!
Hey I don't want any more radiation, I already have Cancer, But I think I'm smart-enough to turn the Fucking Shit off when I'm around it. "That's my store and I'm sticking with it"!! Later
OK hatch, for you...Quote:
Originally Posted by hatch
http://boards.cannabis.com/cannabis-...ml#post1802729
OK, for others and myself as well.
not a purple light hatch. its 3lights, each with 16 blue and 40 red...so we have a damn good spectrum....is blacklight the right UV?
Hey SnS,
Have you studied at all the effects of UVB light on making nice big nuggets? I've just recently began looking around at this, and couldn't remember from my LED studies if they made LEDs in this nm. I wonder 1) How much UVB really does for weed farming, and 2) what would be involved in incorporating nms outside the visible spectrum using LEDs?
LED's are usable, FACT. You need to get this, and your other FACTS right!Quote:
Originally Posted by oldsanclem
:rastasmoke:
Peace,
Denial
uhhhhh you dudes are way off the reservation. is there anyone out there who has started another grow? are there any updates??
thanks denial, we determined her didnt know what he was talking about LONNNG ago..lolQuote:
Originally Posted by denial102
seriously...you should read up more before spewing....ziggy, check out my thread, all LED grow lookin lovely...no stretching, in fact, i would say they squat more than HID...short node spacing....i have a good feeling these will be yummy
good point opie, ill look into the UVB thing. i read it helps alot too...let ya know when i find something
I now not just purple, But the Ultra-violet to blue green, witch is in our UVB, UVA of the spectrum. Is what they don't have down to a Science, That's where I was headed with the purple.Quote:
Originally Posted by SnSstealth
And yes your light throw's of a awesome purple-ish glow!!
And by the way the company that makes your light is already back-ordered. Man I think people are starting to see the LIGHT. (No fun intended, NOT, HEHEHE). Later
Perhaps it might help if you told me why I'm so far off track here. As far as I can tell, I'm standing right in the middle of the reservation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ziggy Stardust
Just telling someone they're wrong, without anything to help back it up, is certainly not going to get someone to see the light, and it's not going to help teach them the right way either.
im not the one trying to enlighten those who are forever awash in their own darkness...am i? anyways its good to see you back
how are your babies doin?
they are doing great....check the thread;)
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whiskeytango
Where's the reservation again?
Here is the skinny on these LED for growing your tomato plants gang...
You need at least 4 panels of 96 LED's (BLUE) and this works awesum for fresh cut clones.
FOr anything else, veg or flower stage, the LED setup will work but you will get very slim harvests.
LED's will be the future for almost all lighting in the future (say 3 years) but for growing tomatos and getting the most out of your efforts, stick with what is proven and tried and tested.
Right now, they will not produce big fat thick tomatos.
Thanks for the help, that clears it up.Quote:
Originally Posted by HARDDON
Just a couple things though, would that be the 3 watt or 1? Or I guess it could be 96 each 10 watt LED's, or perhaps the 500mc ones. And I guess the dispersal angle for those is 60 degrees. Oh wait, I suppose they could be 360 degree LED's, but then again they could be the 6 degree ones. And I guess your thinking of 6 inches distance from the plants, but then it could be 36 inches, or 2. Was that the 460 or the 440 blue, or maybe the 412? Or were you going for some carotenoid, thus the 480?
I agree, that sounds about right.Quote:
Originally Posted by HARDDON
lol......i dont know about that many man...ours are growing great...i dont think we are lacking at all in power or light amount, just spectrum.....IMO
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whiskeytango
Is it illegal to talk about growing tomatoes?:eek:...lolQuote:
Originally Posted by HARDDON
Db:smokin:
I hope you aren't lacking in anything. I want to see a nice fat haul at the end of your grow. I guess we'll find out at harvest.Quote:
Originally Posted by SnSstealth
as do we........lol
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whiskeytango
For those wanting to pulse your LED arrays, why? Plants don't have eyes to trick.
https://mywebspace.wisc.edu/tsharkey...ght%201995.pdfQuote:
Originally Posted by Opie Yutts
Even better efficiency this way.
Well, what I got out of that is they found x amount of light does the same thing as pulses of light that add up to x amount. How is that more efficient? The whole idea of pulsing light is to trick eyes into thinking a light is on all the time when it's not. Plants don't have eyes, therefore they will not be tricked, and when the light is off the plant knows it's not getting light at that point. Less light = less yield.
I never quite understood that either. arent we trying to get the most photons possible to hit the plant. only thing i could figure is they're saying the plants could only take so much light at one time (kinda like a kid drinking a 2 liter...slowly).but I dont think thats right either. I realize solid state and all, but is turning on/off so many times going to hurt the leds?
Db:smokin: