Wow...I've got to get some kind of glasses. That blue light makes my vision funny for a few seconds! I don't even look directly at the bulbs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Weezard
I'll keep you updated with the results.
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Wow...I've got to get some kind of glasses. That blue light makes my vision funny for a few seconds! I don't even look directly at the bulbs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Weezard
I'll keep you updated with the results.
How your inside grass is better while our outside grass is better I don't get since you have much better weather. May be you have to grow stealth while we can grow 15 ft trees. Weed can never fully develop like that inside.
Yes, we are getting somewhere. 90K must be right, because the maximum found is 100K, right in your backyard as a matter of fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by Weezard
That 90K translates to 8.370 lumen and the better your spectrum the less you need.
But do I understand this correcty?
Roughly the solar spectrum has 25% blue and 25% red and long waves have about 10 times more energy than short ones.
So do I need 10 times more wattage blue light than red to get about the same amount of lumens?
If this is correct I don't get why they put so many red leds in these growlamps either.
Results.Quote:
Originally Posted by ledtime
Hey Bubbleblower,Quote:
Originally Posted by Bubbleblower
Those are the exact same glasses DreadedHermie has!
You raised a very interesting question in regards to Weezard's location. I too would think outdoors in Hawaii you could grow some stuff oudoors that could do some serious damage. Heck, I'd be growing some Thai sativa at least 12' tall. And if that wasn't enough I'd give it the old opium/water cure to insure smoooth smokeing and a mellower up high. But that's me.
"Three quick trips off the tip of my tongue: Lo. Li. Ta!" :DQuote:
Those are the exact same glasses DreadedHermie has!
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I have security concerns so my ht limit is 8'.Quote:
Originally Posted by oldmac
I'm legal, but we do have to worry about rustlers here.:(
Um "old opium/water cure"?
Care to elaborate?
Wondering Weeze.
Real Thai stick is dried and cured using tar-opium mixed with water, it usually is sprayed on the trimmed buds as they dry. It really makes a difference in taste and smothness of smoke, even in a bong. The US military had a problem on their hands with returning troops, many of whom where using red rock heroin and gray rock, either snorting or smokeing it. So when they started randomly testing the troops they got positive hits on so many more then they thought they would. The problem was the pot smokers where testing positive for opiates even tho most never did the heroin. When they went to mandatory testing before troops went home, they had to quantify the opiate tests so they didn't snag 1/2 the army and air force from returning home.Quote:
Originally Posted by Weezard
So, seeds were planted on June 5th. They sprouted on June 8th. It's now the eleventh and at 6 days from planting the seedlings are about 1-1.125" tall. Their stems are THICK. They only have two blade leaves so far.
The interesting thing is the roots. There was at first the main root...nice, white, thick and long. Now roots are coming out of the sides of the rooter plugs everywhere! I wasn't expecting this until sometime next week.
I am raising them up in a bubble cloner if that makes any difference. They seem to be really liking this dual blue light I'm working with here. I'm not sure what strain this is, but I know it's grown in Jamaica.
Figured I would just let you know the progress. Oh, and with no ventilation fan on in the room the temp stays around 79-80 degrees. Pretty tame from this light. :D
sounds good ledtime. how bout you start a grow log? that way everyone could follow along. i know many are interested in LEDs and it would be good to show what they ARE capable of doing.
got any pics?!
-shake
So, I have the light about 5" above the plants and they are showing signs of leaning towards the center of the light. I'm going to raise the light up to around 9" and see if they straighten out.
Other than that they are doing quite well running under just the blue lights. It's been 14 days since I planted them. Until today I was just running 5.8PH tap water at 160ppm with one drop of superthrive per gallon.
The plants have developed slowly the first week, but now by the end of the second week they have 6 alternating pairs of leaves. The roots are growing down into the bucket through a ten in pot filled with hydroton. I just took the seedling in the rapid rooter from the bubble cloner and put it into the hyrdroton.
I'm using Latewood's formula for nutrients at 1-1-1 in veg with 1 being equal to 80ml per gallon. I just started this regiment today after draining out the superthrive tap water. I'll be topping off what liquid karma as needed and swapping out fresh nutrients every 14 days or so. I can't tell the strain yet, but they look as though they may be some form of sativa. The root growth from this blue light is OUTSTANDING. The plants are staying low and growing out. About 6 hours after swapping in the nutrients the plant leaves grew out about .25"! I've been keeping my nutirent solution around 70 degrees.
Just thought I would provide an update. The mixture of the two "ideal" blue wavelengths seems to be really growing this nicely. Explosive root growth. Low to no stretch. I love how the leaves have a nice dark purple hue under this light. Would make for some amazing pictures!
http://boards.cannabis.com/grow-log/...-led-grow.html
Here you go. When I have the priveledge of posting pics from the forum I will upload some.
Happy 'zard!
Got some pre-chop pictures that no one will believe.
Set me up a parallel grow.
Just a month or so ago;
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One, under my home brewed light.
Da led lit lady is da one on da RIGHT!
One grew in da HI. sun.
Dat would be da udder one!
(onna lef')
Buds be smaller on da sunlit one.
WTF? Grown in SUN!?
WTF?! Ah dunno!
Same media. Both Coco.
Led girl has a smaller pot.
Should be smaller, but she's not!
Same water n nutes, ('cept for rain).
An' maybe little sunburn pain.
LED girls got no UVb.
No get wind an' insect-free.
Hmmm, Outdoor, skinny. Indoor, fat.
What can we deduce from dat?
Indoor girls have got it nice.
Homeless gals mus' pay a price?
Da t'ing dat has me chortlin'?
I t'ink I got da lights dialed in.:thumbsup:
Disclaimer:
Befo' SS gets all abusive.
Tiny sample, inconclusive.:)
Say, DH.
How does your garden grow?
Aloha,
Da happy Weeze
Now THAT'S what willis was talkin bout! HAHAHA!
We need to talk!
Very nice weezard. Very nice.
Shazaam, Weez...
:smokin:
M.P.
f'n A weez. What have you done?! Dare I say you've put our almighty sun to shame?
I wouldn't go that far.:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Joefarmer
Leds no gonna grow trees.:(
On short shrubbery though...
They are sure to please.:jointsmile:
Gonna be a few weeks before da bio assay.
Need to see how exposure to the elephants
is going to affect potency.:stoned:
It's not just about size, or taste.
Lookin' good so far though!:cool:
Aloha,
Wee Zard
Maybe it's the UVb rays outdoors that are hurting them?:thumbsup:
Among udder t'ings.:thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by oldmac
Now it's a bake-off tween the pampered and da free.
See what kine potency with, and without, UVb.
Da waiting jus' 'bout killin' me.
Wee.
Though I'd drop by again -- and this time I've brought a some market research. Had a little down time at home and at work lately, so I've compiled a spreadsheet covering a few of the more popular LED manufacturers' specs and prices.
I'm in the market for a substantially large LED purchase, so I've been trying to use this data to help me choose one model over the next. Still, there are some major flaws, not the least of which is my total dependence upon the manufacturer's specs, rather than the standardized testing of an unbiased, third party. My spreadsheet is also limited in its scope with regards to both manufacturers and vendors. The price/output analysis is also geared towards value for lumens/milliwatts, rather than efficiency or any of the many other important factors.
Still, I've found it useful to line all these products up next to each other. Let me know if this data is useful to anybody else on the forum. If so, feel free to suggest new manufacturers and vendors you might like added to the spreadsheet, or new forms of analysis that might be interesting. All of this was created in Excel and exported as a PDF for use on this forum.
Thanks again for all the work that's been put into this thread and others.
Had a thought!
(Betta write him down 'fore he float away.)
Another difference tween the cloistered an' da free?
I completely forgot about the extra CO2 in my bloomery!
I pipe the waste CO2 from mead fermentation, into the bloomery.
Even so.
Low cost indoor lighting with leds has arrived!
If I can slap it together on the lanai, you should be able to purchase it today at a reasonable price.
I used of-the-shelf parts and very little skill.
Parts, etc. ran about $400.
Add some free CO2 and outgrow natural sunlight?
Looks like it, and I'm about to do it again.:jointsmile:
Film, soon.
Aloha, Y'all
Weezard
Nice rhyme, but the answer is nothing; outdoor it takes at least twice as long.Quote:
Originally Posted by Weezard
But not in this case, because it looks like the one on the left has too little phosphor and tbh the one on the right doesn't look very happy either.
Of course leds have a great future, but this is not good enough.
Please don't shoot the messenger.:rambohead:
I can imagine the results would be great if you add intracanopylight and more blue (or UV ;)) would keep them smaller and bushier.
Actually, I'm about 2 weeks from a "bake-off" 'tween the UV and non-UV buds.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bubbleblower
So, how can I make my plants as happy as yours, on a budget?
Aloha,
Weeze
The plant on the left has very thin purple stems with a corky layer on the bottom. It looks like it suffers from phosphorus deficiency.Quote:
Originally Posted by Weezard
Both plants are a bit stretchy and have a lot of yellow leafs and the leafs don't have many fingers.
The plant on the right has curly leafs that point downwards.
Well, I really abuse my plants and do a lot wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Weezard
But I try hard and I guess the plants somehow catch up on that: :kisslove:
Probably the main reason why I get good results is I grow for my own smoke.
Back to leds.
In my room with two 300watt induction lamps I want to use leds for intracanopy lighting.
I was thinking 4 rings of about 25 watt under each lamp, 2 layers with 2 different diameter rings, with a broader mainly blue and red spectrum and very little green.
Unfortunately I don't speak solder well so I am looking for an easy way to realise this if there is one.
Weezard, this is probably somewhere else in this thread, but I was wondering if you know ir have the plans to the cake pan light on your comp. THat would be awesome. ALso if you have a site that actually sells all or most of these aprts. That thing looks awesome and I definitely want to ttry and build one.
-C
Aloha Weezard!
I've been playing with my lights. My last attempt that you saw had a nice pythium attack and killed them!
I figured I would stick to soil until I've had a chance to fully test the lights. I am worred about the lumens that mine put out.
What does your 160W light put out? I'm thinking I might just build a replica of what you have (with your thoughts of any additional tweaks that you think would be nice)
Would you be willing to put together a parts list for me?
There is!Quote:
Originally Posted by Bubbleblower
Leds have arrived.
For a few hundred bucks you can have them built to order now.
Contact Ledtime for details.
Thanks for the input.
Everything helps.
Weezard
I'll be happy to help.Quote:
Originally Posted by ForgetClassC
The leds came from Mouser because they stock jus' about everything.
You should be able to sus-out the construction by looking at my album snaps and reading the first part of this thread.
When ya need a hand, we're right here.:)
First order of business?
Obtain a whopping big heatsink.
Aloha,
Weezard
Sure, but the parts list is in this thread along with some caveats an' tips.Quote:
Originally Posted by ledtime
Might want to print out the good pages, go over them, and then post a list of questions.
Aloha
Weeze
awesome, i shall try
-C
Tall timber tales
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I'll have some serious bud porn soon.
Aloha,
Weeze
It was a nice day.
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So, I took her out for a stroll and a photo-op;
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Aloha, Y'all
Wee 'zard
Weezard, you are like the Julia Child of DIY leds! :stoned: I asked you for help, and you helped! Thanks a million, Hermie/CP
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Is ya closin' da t'read, does we all has to go?
No gotta go home, but ya can't stay here?
So button-up lads, last call for beer?
Heard all our stories, seen all our tricks?
Dazed an' corfused we mus' all hit da bricks?
Or were ya just lookin' to use dat Julia snap?Quote:
Originally Posted by DreadedHermie
<Snap!>
'snot quite dat easy, to get rid of me,
I got's sticky fingers.
Da 'zard what is wee.:D
Aloha my fren.
Yer welcome, X 3.
I have an outside garden Full of 5- 10 pound plants....In your pictures I see a couple LITTLE inside plants grown under LED... Did I say LITTLE.!!!!!!If you really think you can BEAT the SUN with those measly LITTLE plants you must suck at outside gardening......What do you get out of a whole inside harvest???I get almost 10 # per plant!I BET you cant get 2 # out of a whole room! You are spending to much time inside with you head in the sand!!! You INDOOR guys kill me ....You will NEVER match the Yield that can be obtained under the sun.Im looking at a hundred pound plus harvest...How many years will it take you to match that with your tiny little lights????? Just saying you are WRONG ....NOTHING can match the SUN.Come on argue with me about harvest weights....I grow more in ONE season than YOU can grow indoors in 5 years inside...and its BETTER than the SUN....wake-up YOU ARE DREAMING!!!!!!
Yes, all the time.:jointsmile:Quote:
Originally Posted by waterdog
Aloha
Weezard
Dang! Can't find yer album brah.Quote:
Originally Posted by waterdog
I'd love to actually see a 10 pound plant.
I'm only allowed to have 6 ounces max on-hand under my HI. med license.:(
Aloha,:)
Weezard
No, I figger the thread's out there with a life of its own. Not 'mine' to close; I'm kinda a laissez-faire kinda guy, anyway. :hippy: And I think there are some build questions still pending out there.Quote:
Is ya closin' da t'read, does we all has to go?
You just showed off some beautiful buds and they deserved a compliment, as does my sweetie when she models a new concealment holster or garotte-equipped pushup bra for me. :thumbsup:
Nope, hunted it up jes' fer you. Julia was just the first icon that came to mind-- must be all the promo for the new flick-- and I just get a chuckle out of any pic of her for "some" reason. :stoned::stoned::stoned:Quote:
Or were ya just lookin' to use dat Julia snap?
But I did harvest a 100% led grow a while back, using just a Procyon and my homemade 6+2 light (you know, the one you helped me build) in a 2' x 5' closet. And the 6+2 kicked the Procyon's butt as far as growing power, BTW. Yield and quality surpassed my expectations; I'm set for meds for quite a while. Figgered you might wanta see what you helped me accomplish. Again, many thanks, my friend.
Here's a typical plant from that grow, LST'd early on (as usual) to control height and induce multiple colas for a dense canopy to fire the lights into. I've grown this stain (indica dom bagseed, big deal) under HPS before with comparable results, although not having to deal with all that heat is a godsend.
This is actually a bit bigger than I like to finish them indoors, but there was a line to get into the ladies' room, if ya know what I mean, so I hadda veg a bit longer than I would have liked. Don't mind that bud dressing to the left, there--I had it tangled up in the adjacent plant for a day or two before harvest.
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The trichs aren't visible enough without magnification to impress the jaded palates here at Canncom, but on close inspection (100X) the plants are drenched with them: :D Tastes like Nepalese hash. :thumbsup:
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Time for another hit; it'll make Julia funny all over again. :yippee:
DreadedHermie appears to have gotten a good recipie from Weez, for light that is.
Very nice pics there DH, your plant(s) looks like it did real well and those closeups are truly a work of art. :thumbsup:
May I ask what the finished height of that one was? and what do you ususally finish at? It does not look like it lacked for light down low, that's for sure.
BTW I think we should try and nominate Weezard for sainthood, not just for his LED knowledge but for his calm demeaner in dealing with the errant aholes. :wtf: I know I was more fired up when I saw the last ahole post, but sat on my hands biting my tongue knowing Weezard was a big boy and could handle it. Nice job Weez. :D
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Do you have a link or so?Quote:
Originally Posted by Weezard
Preferably of a "plug and play" solution.
I don't want the "usual" design but different diameter rings with 30 watts maximum per ring.
I can imagine they make these already specifically for intracanopy lighting.
You ain't seen nothing yet!Quote:
Originally Posted by Weezard
This picture for example was taken 2 months before harvest and the handsome guy :cool: under there is 6 foot 2.
Woohoo! Redwood Kush!Quote:
Originally Posted by Bubbleblower
And here I was worried that my itty 6 footer would yield too much bud.:D
May you get higher dan yer bush.:stoned:
Weeze
Aw shucks!Quote:
Originally Posted by oldmac
Ya don't get mad at skeeters do ya?
Course if they get too pesky... :chainsaw:
Mahalo O. M.
Hmmm, St. Zard.
(has a nice ring to it):D