New and Improved: Featuring Sour Northern Lights x Nevilles Haze

Some pics for everyone.

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This one is for weedhound. Here are a shot of the clones in their hydro setup.

Dai those look great!! Super work.....especially for a first try.

That lovely bud looks extremely happy and delicious as well. :thumbsup:

Shoot I just looked at the last page.....now backed up. Your plants look great Dai, good dense buds going on there. Don't let the one leaning against the wall break off!!

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Originally Posted by Weedhound

Dai those look great!! Super work.....especially for a first try.

That lovely bud looks extremely happy and delicious as well. :thumbsup:

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God they smell so sweet with a hint of sourness to them. This is going to sound disgusting but it smells like a really sweet candy with an undertone of milk that is JUST beginning to sour (still drinkable).

It's actually a pleasant smell despite it's description. I am very excited. Unfortunately there are some pics I didn't post last night. One of my plants is dying. Like completely and utterly dying. I am actually going to chop it when I get home but the top of the main cola has arc'd down in a U shape and is now touching the ground. The roots are not uptaking any water since the soil has remained wet for 5 days and the plants generally need about to be watered at least once every 2 days at this point (really like once every 1.5 - 1.75 days). I think it may have gotten some root rot or maybe there was a pocket where stagnant water had been sitting; but obviously something is going on with the root system and I never picked up on it.

After I chop it I am going to pull it from the pot and disect the substrate for any indication of root diesease/fungus.. anything I can do to associate death with a problem so I can be better informed for the future.

The buds off this plant refused to ever put on weight and look like a pant that's 4 weeks into flowering (still small buds) I will turn this plant into butter probably. The buds really aren't a smokable quality.

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Shoot I just looked at the last page.....now backed up. Your plants look great Dai, good dense buds going on there. Don't let the one leaning against the wall break off!!

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They're all leaning actually. Some of them I can balance for the pictures to make them look straight up and down and others I can't.

When they're in the grow room I put the heavy leaners on the outside parts of the grow area so they have support from the tent walls. The other smaller plants that lean are supported by the bigger plants secondary growths.

2-3 of them definitely look like they'll be done in 2 weeks (at least I hope so) the rest I am not so sure about.

I have 6 plants left now that one has decided to die on me.

try to tie them leaner's up so they don't snap...

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Originally Posted by d4twamp

try to tie them leaner's up so they don't snap...

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From where they sit in the pot to the top of the cola is 5ft. There is nothing I can use tie them to because anything that I could tie it to at that height would have to go very deep into the soil and it would disturb the roots. Something I would prefer not to do..

I'm very careful. They won't snap because I use 1 hand on the cola and the other on the pot to stabilize the plant when moving them and I put the leaning side so it's always against the tent when they are soaking up some rays :).

-Sorry to hear about your one plant......that quick a death does indeed sound like root rot. Are you using a zyme product and are you sure it's not outdated. Your others can catch it as well. I recommend Cannazym myself.

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-Sorry to hear about your one plant......that quick a death does indeed sound like root rot. Are you using a zyme product and are you sure it's not outdated. Your others can catch it as well. I recommend Cannazym myself.

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I'm not using any zyme products. I went ahead and just pulled it out of the room. I will pick up some cannazyme tomorrow and use some from here till end of harvest for safety.

Watered all my plants today. I meant to take pictures but whenever I do a photoshoot I end up taking a really long time and I have plans shortly. The plants are looking great though. I'm uncertain if they'll be done in a week though. I think half of them MAY be done next week but might need up to 2 weeks to be completed. The other half of the plants look like they'll be done about 2 weeks after those.

I need to go to home depot to buy a timer so I can turn my 400 watt hydro grow into flowering. I may have to have my 2 rooms overlap the time frame they are flowering in. I don't have another room for my mother plants at the moment and will need the time between the 2 rooms to alternate so I can keep them in 24/7.

This is only temporary as I plan to have another 600 watt area setup during the beginning part of next year.

Once my 600 watt room is done I will be taking my cuttings I took last week and putting them in there. I want to fill that room up as much as possible. More plants, less yield per plant. But also looks like the least amount of hassle. As it stands right now all I do is check the PH of my hydro setup in the morning.. again when I get home from work and change out the resevoir once a week. Maybe top it off if I feel it needs it. Hassle free grow. I love it (so far anyway.. I probably just jinxed myself).

I will try to get pics next feeding/watering. Hopefully they'll be done by then since I really need the space and I am anxious to get the cure/harvest going.

Good Growing D...Truely a job well done...

How are your clones doing? Any hydroton issues?

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How are your clones doing? Any hydroton issues?

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The clones are getting HUGE so fast. They were 3 inch cuttings but now some are about 8 inches or more. I need to cut them over to 12/12 asap. I'm probably going to top a few of them soon to try to keep the canopy about the same height.

No hydrotron issues; my plants look really great. I'm astounded at how well they look in hydro. They look as good if not better than my coco plants.

I'll snap some pictures for you tonight when I get home. I'm pretty proud of them.

Looking great daihashi! I told you I've been lurking for a while. Good job farming.

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I'll snap some pictures for you tonight when I get home. I'm pretty proud of them.

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As you should be...Glad you stuck it out, doesn't it feel so gooooood....

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As you should be...Glad you stuck it out, doesn't it feel so gooooood....

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I have to admit.. I do love hydro it's sooooooooooooooooooo easy.. :-D

^Yeah, I wanna try it when I grow up! :)

Right now, just not cost effective to try hydro...but I've been reading! I have such hard time getting access to basic soil, additives etc. I have to import things from California most of the time.

I have a friend that absolutely HATES hydro.....hates being "chained" to the ph and res changes etc etc etc even though she's seen my yields vs her own casual approach to growing (and believe me......I DO mean CASUAL) but that's the way she likes to grow.
I enjoy the dirt.....to a degree......but I'll never part with my hydro. ;)

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I have a friend that absolutely HATES hydro.....hates being "chained" to the ph and res changes etc etc etc even though she's seen my yields vs her own casual approach to growing (and believe me......I DO mean CASUAL) but that's the way she likes to grow.
I enjoy the dirt.....to a degree......but I'll never part with my hydro. ;)

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I have to say I'm a believer now. Here are the pics I promised you of the clones in their hydro setup. Aside from my mother plants and the occassional cuttings I take to keep the plants pruned; I don't think I'll really grow in soil type medium again. Hydro is just too awesome.

Excellent work! You should be proud....everything looks great. You struck me as the analytical type who would do well in hydro......just get your chain out. :D

Fuckin A D, lookin good over there bro...

2 plants will probably be done in about 5-7 more days. And the other 4 are expected to be ready 7-9 days after these.

I gave those 2 plants a decent flush. They are in 3 gallon pots and I flushed them with 10 gallons of water. Just a little more than 3x the pot volume and I will only water them with plain PH'd water from here on out. I want to get these plants nice and yellow. I've already lost a significant number of leaves from yellowing which is great since I am going for a nice smooth smoke. It will really enhance my curing process to get as much of the chloryphyll/nitrogen used up as possible.

I have pictures which I'll post a little later. I'm in the middle of a poker tourney but I just wanted to give a quick update.

Here are the pics I promised:

This plant needs about 2 more weeks

This plant needs about 2 weeks

This plant probably needs slight less than 2 weeks. I'd guess maybe 2-3 days less.

This plant needs about a week or less

This plant needs about a week or less.


I have 1 more plant in flower that I don't have pictures for. That plant will probably actually need about 2-3 weeks. It's far behind the others for some reason.

I have good and bad news combined, about the same thing.

11 out of my 37 clones have rooted. When I say rooted I mean wow.. ROOTS. The other 26 I anticipate will be rooted very soon.

Now the problem. I will not have room in my flowering room for at least 2 weeks. I need to kind of keep the clones from growing over the next 2 weeks (growing bigger roots or foliage). Any suggestions?

Once I get 2 of my plants in the flower room I can probably fit about 12 clones into the flower room but I'd prefer to put them all in there at once. Any ideas would be appreciated.

Boy does that sound familiar.......sorry Dai, we never came up with a good answer either.......:cool:

had some things happen and I've cut down my grow and thrown it out. I won't be growing again but will continue to help people on the forums whenever I can.

Thanks for staying tuned.

you threw it out?? i would go dumpster diving anyday for that plant

Very sorry to hear that Dai. Hope everything else is ok.

Sup D, I jus' heard the word...Sorry to hear about the tear down...What happened if you don't mind me asking, and if you do mind jus' tell me to bug off...lol...

Hope all is well w/ you and your's bro...

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Well just incase anyone was wondering I thought I'd update this thread. I tried 2 more times to grow this strain; both times I had ZERO luck. But I was trying out hydro.

I used stinky attics NFT setup. However I don't think it was the fault of the hydro setup or necessarily the strain. I think it was one of the following:

1. Resevoir not having enough oxygen.

This could've happened for a few reasons. The temp in the res could've been not optimal. Although I suspect it was probably no warmer than 72 degrees.

It also could've happend due to poorly aerating the water. I was using a waterfall effect to create aeration but in retrospect after much reading I found that my waterfall was not high enough above the resevoir they were returning to. In case anyone is trying aerating this way I would recommend no less than a 1ft drop for water fall effect.

2. Possible over nute, under nute, reverse osmosis

I generally fed at around 1200 ppm. I don't think I actually over nuted it and burned. What I actually think happened was there was a low amount of oxygen in the water; at least far less than what the plant needed. Cannabis likes about 9ppm of Dissolved oxygen, and this stressed the tips of the roots out.

At first symptoms looked like they were hungry for more nutes; but then I started getting signes of Ca/Mg deficiency. The entire time my pH stayed between 5.5 - 5.8, so I had ruled out PH and tried treating all these symptoms

In retrospect if my water had low amounts of dissolved oxygen and stressed out the roots then this would create a reverse osmosis effect in the plant. This would also create multiple symptoms/deficiencies that look similar to a lockout situation.

3. Light leaks, sealed room:

For a while on the second hydro attempt I ran CO2. I really can't say that I saw any benefits; but to be fair I did it completely wrong.

Currently I grow in tents; I have my inline fans int he attic with flexible ducting that connects to my cool tubes through the tent. Then the cool tube, then more flexible ducting going out of the tent and ending there so it's sucking the cool air room out.

Well in retrospect; even though I had the CO2 in the tent, that was absolutely retarded. I basically sucked out money into my attic. A light sealed room is very important, especially for resin production. It is also important to have your room sealed if you're running CO2.

With the room being unsealed I was basically sucking enriched air through my cool tube reducing/killing the benefit I get from extra CO2. In addition to this I was not exhausting the tent because I thought I had an enriched environment. Well the temps got up to about 82-85 sometimes and I just let it go since that seemed to be the upper limit when running CO2.

In retrospect I realize that my plants probably used very little of that CO2.. and had to deal with hotter than optimal temperatures (when you consider I had no extra co2 in the room). So this also compounded the problems.


4. I question my tap water

My tap water isn't bad. It measures at about 200-250ppm but the PH is pretty high at 7.4; however these are not the things I question. I question the number of hard solids in the water. I had obvious residue on my 5 gallon pots and on the dump tubes coming out of my leach trays. There was definitely a lot of calcium build up and this is not necessarily a good thing. I fear that it wreaked havoc on my roots and compounded other problems I was experiencing. I could explain more but I don't feel like explaining. If you look up the way Ca/Mg is absorbed through the root structure then you'll see how this would be a problem.

I feel the majority of the growth issues I had in hydro can be attributed to poor environmental controls.

Here's what I could do if I could do it again

1. Install a window that has been modified for indoor use or a portable a/c and get the ambient room temperature down to about 70. This should put the temps in the tent at 78. This would also help make the ambient temperature of my resevoirs cooler. Cooler water can hold more ppm of dissolved oxygen.

2. Add air stones to resevoirs in addition to a waterfall with a drop of at least 1 ft. The water will only take so much oxygen into it. I think at 59F degrees it can only hold 10.3ppm of dissolved oxygen.

3. Use RO water; or if for some reason you can't use RO water then buy one of those Mr. Clean carwash things and use that. I've seen other people use it and their water reading came out around 10-20ppm. That's not too bad. It costs a bit; 7 dollars for a refill filter; but I think you can get about 30 gallons or more out of one (icmag has a thread that has that specific information). I can't get my RO hooked up to my sink so I'm going to be going the Mr. Clean route until I do some plumbing work around here to be able to hook up my RO.

4. Seal the room. The best benefit from sealing the room is not that you can use CO2. The best benefit is that you are positive that there are zero light leaks. This ensures no hermies, no stalled growth, increased resin production and just peace of mind. The CO2 is just the bonus prize.

Hope this helps someone.

I have been looking through my thread and man some of these buds looked really good. It's funny I just went back to coco after wasting 2 15 week grows on SNLxNH in hydro.

In a furious rage (not really but I was annoyed) I cut the SNLxNH mother down.

Now I have some Mandala Speed Queens and Hashberry that I'm going to grow. I like to see fast growth otherwise I get bored with growing. SNLxNH just took too long and I never pumped out the weight other people seemed to get out of it. I think it's a combination of environment and maybe not the best genetics since I got the seeds from a hermied plant.

Hopefully these speed queens I have going will be better. Once I know what to expect from the Speed Queen in a SOG setting I will consider trying it in a hydro environment. However now that I've done soil, soilless, coco and hydro. I have to say that I prefer coco the best. It is a very forgiving medium.